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New iMac G5 Announced
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I think the new iMac is sleek. Looks nice and saves space. But, I see everyone here has already shifted to the pros/cons and strengths/weaknesses. I step aside gracefully.
kangaroo said:
The G5 iMac does not support motion??
Minimum System Requirements
* Macintosh computer with 867MHz or faster PowerPC G4 or G5 processor
* 4X AGP slot
* 512MB of RAM (2GB or more recommended)
* Mac OS X v10.3.5 or later
* QuickTime 6.5.1 or later
* Display with 1024 x 768 resolution or higher (1280 x 1024 resolution recommended)
* One of the following graphics cards:
ATI Radeon 9800 XT (R360)
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (R350)
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro (R300)
ATI Radeon 9600 XT (RV360)
ATI Radeon 9600 Pro (RV350)
ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 (RV M11)
ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 (RV M100
nVidia GeForce Go5200 (NV34M)
nVidia GeForce FX 5200 Ultra (NV34)
* 10GB of disk space for application, templates and tutorial
* DVD drive for installation
There's the specs that Motion calls for and it supports it. Not all of use care about rendering in a few seconds (we do, but as long as it doesn't take for ever and a day, well then who cares?). Your also making statements about it barely supporting Tiger's CoreVideo which is something that for the vast majority is not available yet. I am sure that CoreVideo will work just fine on anything other then the lowliest G3's.
That said, the new iMac is georgeous and I want one.
Lancetx said:
No I disagree... I think Apple needs to take advantage of software upselling. That is where you give the software for free/cheap (think XCode and now Motion), to get them to buy better hardware to run it faster. I know most kids start out with Photoshop on a crappy PC, then gradually move onto top of the line systems. Apple needs to do that too.
Also, 256MB RAM is _not_ enough for Motion. It is going to perform pretty damn horribly on the iMac, because it's going to absolutley fill every pipeline and system bus it has. There is no point having a G5 if the GPU is so slow it can't keep up, which is what apple has done here.
its not like motion wont run will it?
like open motion and it says " your ram doesnt meet the minimum...."
and refuse to run?
nooooooo
like open motion and it says " your ram doesnt meet the minimum...."
and refuse to run?
nooooooo
aldo said:The reason that Apple didn't use the arm btw is simple: cost. It cost too damn much for all the assembly that goes into it. Nothing to do with innovation.
BTW: Motion requires 512MB but the iMac starts at 256MB. It also will chew up a fx5200, because it uses the really advanced pixel shaders that the fx5200 is rubbish at doing.
Shame on you apple for not listening to people's number 1 concern about this machine. It's not 1997 anymore where any old peice of video card is fine as long it outputs to a monitor. We require full 3D performance nowadays.
So? Who DOESN'T upgrade RAM in any base system except the newbies?
MS Office
Some universities buy a site license for MS Office that allows every student and staff member to borrow a copy of the install disks and install a legit copy on their own machines. Check and see if that's the case where you are before buying a copy.
sbarr13 said:HEY ALL. I JUST SWITCHED AND TODAY BOUGHT A 20" iMAC G5. 3-4 WEEKS SHIPPING
thanks
Some universities buy a site license for MS Office that allows every student and staff member to borrow a copy of the install disks and install a legit copy on their own machines. Check and see if that's the case where you are before buying a copy.
Lancetx said:
Sorry, but like I said before. The PowerMac is to expensive! ...and believe me!! ...you CAN get a PC for $2000, with lcd display and capable for playing games!! (the big ones), email, etc. ...be-lieve me.
aldo said:BTW: Motion requires 512MB but the iMac starts at 256MB
Shame on you apple for not listening to people's number 1 concern about this machine. It's not 1997 anymore where any old peice of video card is fine as long it outputs to a monitor. We require full 3D performance nowadays.
Right! ...
C'mon Apple.
I would like Apple's opinion about this all. Is there someone from Apple on this forum??
w00t
MUAHAHAHA
http://www.apple.com/imac/processor.html <-- Apple used my Santaduck Benchmark
It's part of the Santaduck Toolpak for UT2004, get it at santaduck.com
MUAHAHAHA
http://www.apple.com/imac/processor.html <-- Apple used my Santaduck Benchmark
It's part of the Santaduck Toolpak for UT2004, get it at santaduck.com
dili said:
And the games released a year or two from now wouldnt require you to upgrade your PCs video card? Your PC video card from 2 years ago can handle Doom 3 just fine?
Trying to stay on the leading edge of games is a losing battle as far as hardware components go, youll always be upgrading and needing more, more, more.dili said:
Why do you require a faster SuperDrive? So you can burn a CD in 2 minutes instead of 4 minutes?
The average consumer (which is what the iMac is targeted towards) does not perform mass disc burning to make a 8x SuperDrive a significant necessity over a 4x SuperDrive. If youre a Power user, get a PowerMac
dili said:
I dont blame you for being tired all this complaining and whining takes a lot out of a person...
dili said:
No innovation? Please. Okay, you design a system which can house a G5 in that type of enclosure. How many other computers have you seen with this design? No, definitely no innovation here, Apple doesnt know the meaning of the word
And just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's crap - many people would call your precious cube crap as well, so to each his own...dili said:
It never surprises me how some people are never happy and always need to complain. Yep, play the waiting game dili, youll always be waiting for the next best thing and youll never be satisfied.
whining...
for all of you whining about drive speed, viewing angles, and video cards, please remember the bottom line: apple knocked $500 off of their consumer-level computer. they thought long and hard and concluded that a faster drive, better monitor, and faster video card is not worth putting the price above $1500.
p.s.
if you are a hardcore gamer, face it. you're not going to buy a mac anyway. however, if your kid wants to play games, it's possible.
for all of you whining about drive speed, viewing angles, and video cards, please remember the bottom line: apple knocked $500 off of their consumer-level computer. they thought long and hard and concluded that a faster drive, better monitor, and faster video card is not worth putting the price above $1500.
p.s.
if you are a hardcore gamer, face it. you're not going to buy a mac anyway. however, if your kid wants to play games, it's possible.
Uh, those who don't need the extra RAM.gorkonapple said:
Many folks don't need more than minimal RAM to do the tasks that they want to accomplish.
This way those who don't need more RAM aren't penalized for the cost of extra RAM for those who do.
Sushi
It seems to me that Apple is really trying to market this to be kind of like a tablet computer that is extremely easy to move and use around the house but they have done this without sacrificing much power or screen size. However, for this to be completely successful, I really think they need to include the airport card and bluetooth in with the price. With airport and bluetooth this would be the ultimate portable desktop computer. And if you had your printer hooked up to your network, you literally would never need to have any wires plugged into it at all times. Also, it seems like they are making too big of a deal about games, because obviously this is not the best gaming computer, but by making a point about how it can run doom 3, WoW etc., they are just drawing unnecessary attention to one of it's only shortcomings.
Well put.~Shard~ said:And the games released a year or two from now wouldnt require you to upgrade your PCs video card? Your PC video card from 2 years ago can handle Doom 3 just fine?
These are consumer computers, and as such, are very nice offerings.
Sushi
same here
I'm with you on this one. My wife and I are always moving the thing around, whether for playing games, photoshop work, showing pictures and just being able to turn the thing. I'm sure they cut some of the cost out this way. Maybe someone will make a different VESA mount for an articulated arm or something to mix it up and customize it a bit. The design is growing on me, but I was expecting better by far.
craigiest said:
I'm with you on this one. My wife and I are always moving the thing around, whether for playing games, photoshop work, showing pictures and just being able to turn the thing. I'm sure they cut some of the cost out this way. Maybe someone will make a different VESA mount for an articulated arm or something to mix it up and customize it a bit. The design is growing on me, but I was expecting better by far.
aldo said:
Okay, so Motion won't run well on an iMac - what exactly is your point? If you're wanting to use Motion, you shouldn't be using an iMac as it is - it's a Pro App. Motion is not targetted towards the iMac consumer base, it's targetted at Pro users. Therefore, this is rather a moot point, now isn't it?
Lancetx said:
ahh the old forcing-customer-into-better-models strategy
believe it or not the iMac is a high premium priced 'consumer' product
for that price apple has to _offer_ something and not the other way around ...
i'm a classical customer: i decide with my money and i'm not liking this "cripple features" game apple is playing ..
what's a all-in-one computer worth when the first thing you have to do is put additional RAM in it to speed it up ? it leads the whole all-in-one easy for customer concept ad absurdum
apple can do it... just look at the laptops..they offer good value (and i'm going to buy one next year)
but come on 3 USB ports for a computer ? the first i would have to do is buy a USB hub
so hardly 'all-in-one' ... but i guess having a scanner,printer,webcam, needing a ISDN adapter and an additional ethernet port makes me already a pro-user
takao said:but come on 3 USB ports for a computer ? the first i would have to do is buy a USB hub
so hardly 'all-in-one' ... but i guess having a scanner,printer,webcam, needing a ISDN adapter and an additional ethernet port makes me already a pro-user
There are 2 USB ports on the back of the keyboard, giving you 5. So no need for your sarcastic implications of being a Pro user...
Fine, then get a VESA mounted fully articulated arm that makes the old iMac's limited and conflicting arm (with the optical drive door/keyboard) pale in comparison.daddy-mojo said:
For those who don't need this capability, they are not penalized cost wise.
Sushi
To all of you kiddies out there bitching about a 4x SuperDrive...
When you design and manufacture a faster slot loading drive, give Apple a call. I am sure they will put one in. But for now, it doesn't even exist.
Hickman
When you design and manufacture a faster slot loading drive, give Apple a call. I am sure they will put one in. But for now, it doesn't even exist.
Hickman
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