New iMac G5 Announced

[one3]

Yes, well I work professionally as a graphic designer with a G5 1.6GHz tower and can sometimes hardly keep up with the machine (and I work fast). The difference between this and my 800Mhz TiBook is like night and day - the speed difference is incredible.

Perhaps you just haven't tried using a G5 yet?

I agree ... For instance, what I am looking for over my current G4-400 is a little better responsiveness in Photoshop and Illustrator. Even though the G5 iMac 20" may not be the fastest computer in the world - it is what I'm looking for and what fits my use - I think it will be a huge improvement over my current computer. After all isn't that the whole point - having a computer that is good for what you use it for... not a computer based on it's benchmark numbers? I don't care what the benchmark numbers say - I care that it works great for me.

 

[aswitcher]

Just to be picky, (and nothing personal, there are plenty of other posters I do get personal with...), but I doubt this is going to kill sales - or is it going to "kill sales" just as the $250 pricetag of the iPod minis did?

Just thought I'd make the point. I actually think these things are going to sell out in a major way. And I agree with your other good points as well.

I think there are a number of male youth potential switchers who will want gaming power and be put off by the weak graphics card. How many, I guess in the USA it would be in the thousands. If they ahd offered a 128 then I think they would have been far more attracted to the machine...

How many thousands compafred to what apple save on have one on the board graphics card is another thing...but as a new switcher I wouldn't buy the iMac because of games and the future of Tiger were steve says (WWDC in June) that they are shifting processing to the graphics card...I would want a 128 to have more future from my machine...

 

[macidiot]

Most of the people here complaining about the graphics cards are probally 15 year old high school kids with nothing better to do and couldn't afford a better card anyway. Quit complaining and tell your parents to go buy you a POS Dell!!

Look at my sig. I'm pretty sure I can afford a better graphics card in an imac. And last time I checked, I'm not 15...though I might sometimes act it

 

[Reality Cheque]

Dislike the video card -- everyone write Apple!!

The arrogance of the apologists is what is getting tiresome. The attitude of "if you don't like it, don't buy it, we don't want or need you anyway" is a poor one. I hope that Apple doesn't have that attitude.

I encourage everyone who wouldn't mind paying a little extra to get a more reasonable video card as a bto option on the new iMac to write Apple: www.apple.com/feedback/

Personally, I think the computer looks awesome, has a reasonable price point when you consider the cost of just the Apple displays, and has everything I need except for the video card. Unfortunately, like many others here, that inferior video card and its lack of upgradability holds me back from buying the 20" right now. I mean seriously, come on now, I'm going to commit to a 64 MB video card for the next 2-3 years when the top cards out there are already 256 MB!? That's just crazy! And I'm not a serious gamer either, just a guy who likes the odd frag once in a while at decent frame rates and a decent resolution.

 

[g4tom]

Power supply

One thing I have question on.... Is the power supply internal? I have not seen a power brick pictured, but when the cube came out, they never photographed the brick then. I hope it is internal.

 

[mrsebastian]

go apple go!!!! this is what the imac should have been the last time around. a great design and i can't wait to see one in person. for all my power user friends that have complained about the imac having a lack of upgradability and such, please go buy a powermac and display and give it rest. this is a computer designed for the general user who will not be editing a motion picture or doing the layout for gq magazine. this is an everyday computer that will alow the average user to do just about anything in one gorgeous package. i for one am a happy power user with my powermac g5 with matching display, but plan on getting an imac for home for my baby and son, because it will do everything they need... oh yeah, i hope this also means powerbook g5s are just around the corner!

 

[macidiot]

Who cares about Apple's market share? As long as they stay in business and make products that *I* like at price points *I* can afford, then I am happy.

And since they've turned a profit for several years in a row, and have built up a substantial bank account, I would say that we're safe for a little while. Apple is on the right track to keep making cool products for ME.

If you don't like it, I couldn't care less. (I'm assuming you probably do, but are just playing devil's advocate.) The truth is if I woke up tomorrow and every single person in the US had bought an iMac, it would lose some appeal to me. I don't want what everybody else has, I want something better.

Just like a band that goes on MTV...if I've not heard them myself I assume they are probably crappy. The mass public (in the US for sure) likes crappy music, so if a band has found mainstream success that is a red flag for me.

I own the best computer, I bought the best video game system, and I own the best MP3 player. Call me a snob, but I'd rather have the best or nothing at all.

I see, so what your saying is that your arrogant and a snob and enjoy looking down on "lesser" people that aren't as special as you because they don't own a mac or are too poor to afford the finer things? So sad...

 

[mrsebastian]

One thing I have question on.... Is the power supply internal? I have not seen a power brick pictured, but when the cube came out, they never photographed the brick then. I hope it is internal.

id assume that it's a brick like the g5, as it puts off quite a bit of heat and there isn't all that much room in the imac.

 

[beatle888]

Yes, well I work professionally as a graphic designer with a G5 1.6GHz tower and can sometimes hardly keep up with the machine (and I work fast). The difference between this and my 800Mhz TiBook is like night and day - the speed difference is incredible.

Perhaps you just haven't tried using a G5 yet?

well, me personally? no. so i guess i shouldnt judge but from the benchmarks and the fact that people do have G5s in the office and they say its faster but not incredibly faster. remember we are talking single processor. now im sure most would agree that the higher end dual G4s running photoshop on a file thats at least a gig would agree that the single 1.8 iMac isnt going to "fly" through the tasks....anyway im sure its fast and with 2gigs of ram and possibly a disk array for a scratch disk and any print designer would do just fine....even for tradeshow work.

dont get me wrong...if i was doing simple brochures and ads only then i would say an imac would be fine....but im talking heavy graphic files....gigs. but as i said....with the ram and a nifty scratch disk this imac would be great.

 

[supergod]

Is there any consensus on what Apple is planning on doing with their eMac line? For the longest time the eMacs were such a better (value) option than the imacs, but with this new upgrade that is no longer the case. Obviously they have good value, but will not be nearly as large competition for the iMacs as far as home owners go. Probably Apple has to upgrade the eMacs to LCD very soon if they want to keep selling them as a non-education computer but then what will there be to distinguish them from the new iMacs. Might Apple simply get rid of the current eMac line in favor of either (a) headless low end desktop machine or (a) a driveless iMac?

 

[g4tom]

power supply

If it has an external power brick to go along with the crappy video card, I would not buy one. But then I like laptops, desktops remind me too much like I'm at work or in school.

 

[tex210]

There is none

No power brick.... it's internal!

 

[mrsebastian]

Is there any consensus on what Apple is planning on doing with their eMac line? For the longest time the eMacs were such a better (value) option than the imacs, but with this new upgrade that is no longer the case. Obviously they have good value, but will not be nearly as large competition for the iMacs as far as home owners go. Probably Apple has to upgrade the eMacs to LCD very soon if they want to keep selling them as a non-education computer but then what will there be to distinguish them from the new iMacs. Might Apple simply get rid of the current eMac line in favor of either (a) headless low end desktop machine or (a) a driveless iMac?

i'd assume apple will wait to see what happens with the imac and if can take care of the emac marketshare and you are probably right that they will upgrade the emac to a lcd display. for that matter, they may redesign it to be a "fat" and simplified version imac.

 

[ThinkingMac]

Bland & Ugly

Bland, Ugly, and I wish they had just put the G5 in the old iMac (that will be an all time classic this new one will only last 12 months). I tried to order a 20in iMac a few months back and got told they had dropped it so I have had to order this new thing but I am gutted, 3-4 weeks quoted delivery AND Apple France NEVER deliver on their promises, so I expect to have to wait a least a couple of months before it arrives.

 

[g4tom]

Is there any consensus on what Apple is planning on doing with their eMac line? For the longest time the eMacs were such a better (value) option than the imacs, but with this new upgrade that is no longer the case. Obviously they have good value, but will not be nearly as large competition for the iMacs as far as home owners go. Probably Apple has to upgrade the eMacs to LCD very soon if they want to keep selling them as a non-education computer but then what will there be to distinguish them from the new iMacs. Might Apple simply get rid of the current eMac line in favor of either (a) headless low end desktop machine or (a) a driveless iMac?

I thought the eMac line was sold for a reason. To schools, kids with pencils and an LCD do not mix well

 

[dili]

If you don't see "new design" in the interior, you're blind.

oh. ...Sorry, I forgot.
Most of us users do look 24/7 at the interior so how it looks on the outside doesn't matter anymore. ...

 

[beatle888]

gotta tell yea....at first i thought oh god. now, especially seeing it in the keynote...the video footage. oh man this looks so nice. i cant believe i thought it was ugly just twelve hours ago and now i want one so bad. but i have to get a powermac. that sounds funny to me. man i want an imac. so simple and powerful....and that lower bevel isnt disgusting to me anymore....man, futuristic. love it.

 

[iBoris]

Who cares about Apple's market share? As long as they stay in business and make products that *I* like at price points *I* can afford, then I am happy.

And since they've turned a profit for several years in a row, and have built up a substantial bank account, I would say that we're safe for a little while. Apple is on the right track to keep making cool products for ME.

If you don't like it, I couldn't care less. (I'm assuming you probably do, but are just playing devil's advocate.) The truth is if I woke up tomorrow and every single person in the US had bought an iMac, it would lose some appeal to me. I don't want what everybody else has, I want something better.

Just like a band that goes on MTV...if I've not heard them myself I assume they are probably crappy. The mass public (in the US for sure) likes crappy music, so if a band has found mainstream success that is a red flag for me.

I own the best computer, I bought the best video game system, and I own the best MP3 player. Call me a snob, but I'd rather have the best or nothing at all.

This is the BEST post I have read so far, and really says what it means to be a Mac user, we ARE better than the PC crowd. I'm just glad someone else agrees.

 

[mrsebastian]

Bland, Ugly, and I wish they had just put the G5 in the old iMac (that will be an all time classic this new one will only last 12 months). I tried to order a 20in iMac a few months back and got told they had dropped it so I have had to order this new thing but I am gutted, 3-4 weeks quoted delivery AND Apple France NEVER deliver on their promises, so I expect to have to wait a least a couple of months before it arrives.

it may be a bit bland and i'll wait to really judge it when i can see one in person, but the design is so much better than the "lamp" design! smaller footprint, cleaner, and better layout of plugs, if anything i would have liked to see it in g5 silver. to each his own though and i respect your opinion... i do agree with you, that we will probably not see these shipping till november or so. apple really needs to get their production together! if you are going to announce an awesome new product and have people clammoring to get one, apple needs to be able to deliver immediately!

 

[macidiot]

My friend, lighten up! The iMac has always been - and will always be - a consumer level machine! If you want more buy a PowerMac!

Apple is a corporation. Those of us that are reasonably savvy know that all that corporations really care about is their shareholders' interests. Someone at Apple came to the conclusion that the current configuration would suite these interests well, and that is just how it is. Trying to change this is idealistic.

Actually, I'm a shareholder, and they never seem to listen to me. In fact, its been well documented that Apple's board is often at odds with the shareholders, leading to several lawsuits...

 

[Skiniftz]

so.. anyone know when these will be hitting the applestores?? i really want to see one in person..

Based on the DP2.5 G5, I'd say it should be shipping ... commercemas 2005.

 

[dili]

If the new iMac can't handle what you do for 8 hours straight, perhaps it is time to consider a PowerMac.

sorry, but that was not my point. ...
The point was that a 1.25Ghz machine is not fast enough to run everything out there.
...and so is the iMac G5.

People, ...they build a new machine and it is not able to run there new software (motion) at full glance. ...and what about the new system update to come.

my humble opinion.

 

[beatle888]

sorry, but that was not my point. ...
The point was that a 1.25Ghz machine is not fast enough to run everything out there.
...and so is the iMac G5.

People, ...they build a new machine and it is not able to run there new software (motion) at full glance. ...and what about the new system update to come.

my humble opinion.

dili, with all due respect the iMac isnt suppose to handle motion. come on give apple some credit. do you really think they expect people to run motion on an iMac? thats hardcore pro software. its meant for commercial use on their work horse machines not the pretty little iMac that sits in your home so you can have it match your modern furniture.

the iMac is beautiful and fits the bill perfectly. as for games people should use an xbox. this machine would be perfection for my girlfriend mmmwah.

 

[DJY]

Review the rules, folks.

There's been way too much spam/off-topic/personal insults in this thread. Play nice or don't play at all. Thanks

I couldn't agree more...

Whilst I may only get half a vote as a new switcher...
I had the day off work today - so have read all the pages in this thread...
something that some posters don't appear to be doing.

A few themes emerged for me:
Alot of people are disappointed with the RAM.
Alot of people are disappointed with the video card
Alot of people are disappointed with lacks some of the higher level professional / enthusiast specs [ on a consumer level computer]
There is alot of discussion on the looks, specs, style, innovation etc of the iMac (which is the topic of this thread)... but also

there seem to be alot of people who seem keen to push their opinions only by trying to put others down. Some even try to use age as an excuse - but as someone who has been involved with adolescents and college students (equivalent) for a while...

give me the adolescents and young adults anyday!

Maybe some people need to go back to the rules...
or remember what it is they love about MacRumors... or dare I say it their Mac?????

I'm only a new switcher - and LOVE MY PB.
Have been glued to the screen for the paris Keynote, have been reading live feeds, watched the QT Keynote address.... and love everything that is Apple at the moment.

Whilst I didn't like the look of the eMac, I didn't have to swear or carry on at anyone. Similiarly when most of my mates tried talking me about of switching... I didn't beat them at their own irrational, illogical, biases game... I just read, listened, and watched their position... but made up my own mind.

Maybe if users can't remember the simple rules of macrumors... remember - they can ban you with no warnings for inappropriate comments, or personal insults.

iMac? - well I'm keen to go in and look and play with one... My new shiny PN will keep me happy for a long time - but I gave away my PC on the weekend - so eventually I'll need an external Hard Disk Drive, or another machine for home.

After watching the iMac Intro Video - the design is growing on me... the 20" I think looks better than the 17" - with the screen ratio and large white section at the bottom.

 

[dili]

Quote:
Thank you......this compter is aimed at people who want to e-mail and use word.Not play the latest games,buy a powermac for that and leave the iMac alone.

...yessss. Pay $2000 for emailing and word.
Nope. That's where the emac is for. ...Or buy secondhand for al that matters.

Wake up.