Can anyone please explain to me how in the world they got to cool the G5 sufficently in this case? Look at the cooling system of the G5 tower (im not even thinking about the new liquid cooled ones) and look at the imac G5, i just dont understand how its feasable.
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iBoris said:This is the BEST post I have read so far, and really says what it means to be a Mac user, we ARE better than the PC crowd. I'm just glad someone else agrees.
Excuse me? Who is this "we" you are talking about? I am a Mac user and a PC user. In fact I'm also a user of Solaris, Linux, Irix et al. Please don't make claims like yours in my name please.
"What it means to be a Mac user" is, thankfully, changing. We are now seeing people in the crowd who actually know about computers for example and dont just argue with people that "the Mac is better than M$ Windozeeeee" without actually having ANY real information to back it up other than "I have a 10 year old Mac therefore it's better than a PC" (no, there isnt any logic there).
I've news for you - it isn't "better", and in fact their is no "better" with computers and if you knew anything you would know this. It's all about the best tool for the job. You want the best platform for video editing and graphic apps? Get a Mac. You want to build a corporate network environment thats extremely manageable with good support? Go with Dell or Compaq PC's running WindowsXP in an Active Directory environment, or perhaps take a look at Sun's Java Desktop or Solaris. You want to order computers and them take months to arrive? Buy from Apple.
Sorry but this snobbish "Mac users are better than PC users" attitude really irritates.
mrsebastian said:
Exactly. For a hardware company Apple's track record has been somewhat embarrassing of late. This model looks as though they should meet demand a little more effectively than the G5 Powermac, iPodmini and second gen iMac....But don't quote me in 6 months time when they have to make excuses...
HAA!
I made it through the MR gauntlet! I waded through all 1100 posts! Fools, thinking you could deter me with mere words...ha!
Now please, no more posts in this thread. Nothing to see here, move along, thank you, thanks for playing, we have some lovely parting gifts...
I made it through the MR gauntlet! I waded through all 1100 posts! Fools, thinking you could deter me with mere words...ha!
Now please, no more posts in this thread. Nothing to see here, move along, thank you, thanks for playing, we have some lovely parting gifts...
dili,
not only email and internet.jeeze come on dili....what about burning cd's organizing your music....pictures, making movies, making MUSIC? Making your own dvd's?
now how can you say that one would only use it for internet and email.
but i see your point. thats the basic user...and for that i would say buy from ebay. get an old ibook or powerbook. it would be great. but these iMacs are for the people between just plain internet surfing and the workstation crowd.
not only email and internet.jeeze come on dili....what about burning cd's organizing your music....pictures, making movies, making MUSIC? Making your own dvd's?
now how can you say that one would only use it for internet and email.
but i see your point. thats the basic user...and for that i would say buy from ebay. get an old ibook or powerbook. it would be great. but these iMacs are for the people between just plain internet surfing and the workstation crowd.
Skiniftz said:
totally missed the spirit of his post...you took it too literally. as for the macs are better PCs are better....your right...thats sooo old....but really, i dont think that is what he really meant. its better for HIM. see how the rest of the post seemed very self centered? he was relating to HIS universe and used WE in his post to encompass the people that feel like HIM.
SO MUCH EMOTION
THE IMAC HAS TURNED US ALL INTO LITTLE SCHOOL GIRLS Skiniftz PLEASE DONT TAKE THAT PERSONALLY.
beatle888 said:
I was quoting someone
But! ...If the iMac is not for gaming pleasure, ...what is then?
The PowerMac?? ...To expensive and thus not for consumers, and the pro's under us are not buying the powermac for gaming I think.
So, buy an xBox?? ...no thanks.
Black iMac'd Peas.
Not quite sure the Black Eyed Peas thing was that spot on with Apple. I know they like to include popular music, but why have such a lame song and then include two of the members to aimlessly talk about things they don't know about...like "iCameras." sweet dude, I'd rather hear about it from Steve Jobs or a little more from the people who created it.
Don't get me wrong, I love hip hop, but the Black Eyed Peas aren't what I think of when I think of the iMac G5...but I guess they are now. Blegh.
Phil did a great job though, no Stevey, but he did good.
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To stay on topic: The new iMac is pretty dope & I'd like 3 of them in the 20" variety.
Not quite sure the Black Eyed Peas thing was that spot on with Apple. I know they like to include popular music, but why have such a lame song and then include two of the members to aimlessly talk about things they don't know about...like "iCameras." sweet dude, I'd rather hear about it from Steve Jobs or a little more from the people who created it.
Don't get me wrong, I love hip hop, but the Black Eyed Peas aren't what I think of when I think of the iMac G5...but I guess they are now. Blegh.
Phil did a great job though, no Stevey, but he did good.
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To stay on topic: The new iMac is pretty dope & I'd like 3 of them in the 20" variety.
dili said:I was quoting someone
But! ...If the iMac is not for gaming pleasure, ...what is then?
The PowerMac?? ...To expensive and thus not for consumers, and the pro's under us are not buying the powermac for gaming I think.
So, buy an xBox?? ...no thanks.
You could spend $600 on making a gaming pc for yourself, for the long term and use your imac for everything else. Exactly what im gonna do. Then you have the best of both worlds...
i understand about the gaming. and you feel the better graphics card would of helped. i agree. i simply shake my head when i try to think of WHY apple used that card but then i smile and think of how wonderful the iMac is.
gaming on a computer isnt that great to me. i have an xbox and love it...or halo at least. but anyway....did you see the keynote? it looks as though developing games for the mac might be an attractive option with coreimage. during the keynote they had some guy demo a new game (a game of the latest pixar film) take a look if you havent seen it, to me it shows that apple is building up momentum in this area. we're talking realtime effects in a game like motion blur, atmospheric haze, smoke, dust, lush tropics. i think apple will cater to gamers sooner than you think.
gaming on a computer isnt that great to me. i have an xbox and love it...or halo at least. but anyway....did you see the keynote? it looks as though developing games for the mac might be an attractive option with coreimage. during the keynote they had some guy demo a new game (a game of the latest pixar film) take a look if you havent seen it, to me it shows that apple is building up momentum in this area. we're talking realtime effects in a game like motion blur, atmospheric haze, smoke, dust, lush tropics. i think apple will cater to gamers sooner than you think.
Another iMac style system-Ipex Allstation 100:
http://www.ipex.com.au/IPEX/Desktops+and+Notebooks/Desktops/Ipex+AllStation.htm
http://www.ipex.com.au/NR/rdonlyres/4A855860-0365-4134-973B-513B38580012/0/IpexAllStation100.pdf
http://www.ipex.com.au/IPEX/Desktops+and+Notebooks/Desktops/Ipex+AllStation.htm
http://www.ipex.com.au/NR/rdonlyres/4A855860-0365-4134-973B-513B38580012/0/IpexAllStation100.pdf
besides high-end gaming and complex photoshop rendering, where else does the iMac graphics card fall short? is it the case that it's more than competent for all the iLife apps? can i run FCE alright? this isn't rhetorical...i'm really interested to knowing how useful/useless the card is in real-life apps that aren't gaming or intensive photoshop stuff.
Preaching to the converted..
Im converted, i now like the new little iMac, having watched the intro video frame by frame im sure ill be doing more 'Ohhhing' and 'Ahhing' when i manage to see it in real life now.
After a night of deliberations, i still think this iMac doesnt have the same animated quality of the last two (three?) incarnations. The G3s had a little 'face' which consumers (dare i sterotype - women in particular) and me could connect with, and the G4 had actual movemnet and was marketed as an 'entity' in in itself.
I realise this iMac has steller design, now i look at it closely, and now i can begin to fall in love with it. The G4 iMac was far from love-at-first-sight for me, but now it holds a place in my heart, and my desk.
Overal, now im seeing the computer out of the bad production angles on apples site, i can see the design, and start to love it a bit more, even though its lost some of the amiable charm of its predecessors.
Its very important for me to love apples products, and for a day then, i was a bit worried i wouldnt
my two cents - Bob
Im converted, i now like the new little iMac, having watched the intro video frame by frame
im sure ill be doing more 'Ohhhing' and 'Ahhing' when i manage to see it in real life now. After a night of deliberations, i still think this iMac doesnt have the same animated quality of the last two (three?) incarnations. The G3s had a little 'face' which consumers (dare i sterotype - women in particular) and me
could connect with, and the G4 had actual movemnet and was marketed as an 'entity' in in itself. I realise this iMac has steller design, now i look at it closely, and now i can begin to fall in love with it. The G4 iMac was far from love-at-first-sight for me, but now it holds a place in my heart, and my desk.
Overal, now im seeing the computer out of the bad production angles on apples site, i can see the design, and start to love it a bit more, even though its lost some of the amiable charm of its predecessors.
Its very important for me to love apples products, and for a day then, i was a bit worried i wouldnt
my two cents - Bob
Any Secrets?
I was thinking this morning that I wonder if the new iMac has any secrets hidden under the hood. Maybe that's Apples new "thing". Lets release a great product, that gets a fantastic responce, then lets wait a bit and say "oh by the way, it also does this".
We've all heard the rumors about the new ipod having a hidden feature which might be bluetooth.
What if this was really a tablet, but won't be fully functional until Tiger gets a final release. I was in the chat rooms yesterday and people were having a bit of trouble with the design and "the big chin", including myself.
What if this was the hand rest bit? Just have a look at the wacom tablets, that chunky bit at the bottom to rest your hands on. Imagine if that was a hidden wowzer, I know it's pie in the sky, but it would be a great twist!!
Maybe it's a future proof design, the 2nd generation could look exactly the same, but feature the tablet facility. The design just lends itself so well to being a tablet it would be a shame if they didn't.
Before anyone says "it's not possible there's no room" or "it would get to hot". It's just a thought! This is my second post in these forums, someone please acknowledge my post, everyone ignored the last one, apart from some dummy accusing me a being mad!
I was thinking this morning that I wonder if the new iMac has any secrets hidden under the hood. Maybe that's Apples new "thing". Lets release a great product, that gets a fantastic responce, then lets wait a bit and say "oh by the way, it also does this".
We've all heard the rumors about the new ipod having a hidden feature which might be bluetooth.
What if this was really a tablet, but won't be fully functional until Tiger gets a final release. I was in the chat rooms yesterday and people were having a bit of trouble with the design and "the big chin", including myself.
What if this was the hand rest bit? Just have a look at the wacom tablets, that chunky bit at the bottom to rest your hands on. Imagine if that was a hidden wowzer, I know it's pie in the sky, but it would be a great twist!!
Maybe it's a future proof design, the 2nd generation could look exactly the same, but feature the tablet facility. The design just lends itself so well to being a tablet it would be a shame if they didn't.
Before anyone says "it's not possible there's no room" or "it would get to hot". It's just a thought! This is my second post in these forums, someone please acknowledge my post, everyone ignored the last one, apart from some dummy accusing me a being mad!
well, me-balls, i think the iMac is a bit too big be used as a tablet device, but i agree, the lower plastic would make a good wrist rest. Its been thrown aroud that apples rumored tablet is about the size of a fat DVD case though, so i think that would be their real direction. if it is a real product hidden in the depths of cupertino.
hidden in the depths of cupertino.Skiniftz said:
I am sorry, but I have been in the business (as a developer) for over 20 years and your statement...
"You want to build a corporate network environment thats extremely manageable with good support? Go with Dell or Compaq PC's running Windows XP in an Active Directory environment, or perhaps take a look at Sun's Java Desktop or Solaris."
...Is completely baseless and is compete flame-bait.
UNIX has been running America's networks and systems for a long time. It has survived it's trial by fire. UNIX RUNS CORPORATE AMERICA. I should know, I do work on wall street. All of the major (mission critical) systems are running on UNIX.
It is not a mater of platform. It's a mater of OS stability and security. You probably don't realize how many projects that were scratched because of the virus that ran havoc across MS-SQL a year ago. The majority of Corporate America runs on Oracle and Sybase, before the incident, and more so after the incident.
An Xserve can run side-by-side the same UNIX machines that probably control your bank account. Yes, also running Sybase or Oracle. In many cases, it's the same F'n code! In fact, an investment groups G4 or G5 Xserve may be calculating (I have seen them, and AltiVec is fast) your investment risk, and you don't even know it.
Yes, My companies "client" platform of choice is Windows 2K/XP, but my companies platform of choice on the back-end (servers) is very different, and it is NOT Windows.
LOL..
yeah me-balls, i thought the same as far as it could be a branch of evolution to the tablet ONE DAY. but not anytime soon. its good to see you saw the potential though. i was wondering if i was the only one who thought it looked very close to being a tablet.
kugino said:
Photoshop work (for now at least, see below) will probably not be affected by the speed of the graphics chip too much, as most (all?) operations in current versions of Photoshop are 2D, not 3D, and graphics chips have been plenty fast enough at 2D operations for years and years for that not to be an issue. All the iLife apps should run fine...quite well in fact. I don't think any of them make use of OpenGL or 3D graphics for much at the moment (the iTunes OpenGL visualisation plugins being a big exception there, but that's pure eye candy). As for FCE, I'm not too sure since I haven't used it. Hopefully someone else can answer that one.
Something to watch out for in the future though is the appearance of CoreImage and CoreVideo-using apps when Tiger is released. Applications which are written to the CoreImage and CoreVideo API will be able to access the library of GPU/hardware accelerated routines that these APIs provide (non-supported systems will run the routines in software/CPU), and in my opinion (and we all know how much that counts for!
) we'll start to see those APIs being used in many places...the iLife apps probably included. The FX 5200 is a fully supported GPU (so you will get hardware acceleration), but the relative weakness of the FX 5200 as an OpenGL/3D accelerator versus other GPUs that Apple uses may mean that you don't get as much of a speedup as you might with, say, a Radeon 9600 or a Radeon 9800. I'm not trying to scare anyone off, but it is definitely something to think about. 3D acceleration will become more important across the board in OS X after Tiger (courtesy of CoreImage and CoreVideo), so the faster your 3D chip, the better.As for gaming, you will certainly be able to play basically all modern 3D games, but you're probably going to find that you're going to need to drop the resolution down to something like 800x600 (or possibly lower for something like Doom III), and run at reduced detail levels to get smooth framerates. As to how successfully the FX 5200 will handle games in a year's time from now is anyone's guess, but it is unlikely to be better than 'mediocre'. This may be completely unimportant to you as you may not game, or if you do, you may not care about higher resolutions and detail settings. YMMV.
In terms of the overall system performance, there really isn't any obvious problem with the iMac G5 at all. It should be a definite improvement on the previous G4-based iMac lineup, and if the performance of my 1.6GHz PowerMac G5 is anything to go by, it will handle just about any 'routine' task you throw at it without a problem.
iZac said:well, me-balls, i think the iMac is a bit too big be used as a tablet device, but i agree, the lower plastic would make a good wrist rest. Its been thrown aroud that apples rumored tablet is about the size of a fat DVD case though, so i think that would be their real direction. if it is a real product
I was thinking something like the wacom Cintiq, not a palm like device.
I'd be more likely to use ink then!
Skiniftz said:
Oh please! Give me at least an ounce of credit! I love people who get all wound up over a throw away comment.
Guess you didn't see the smilie at the end.
Guess I'll have to give a little history so you can see where I'm coming from.
I used to be a big time gamer from the time of the ZX Spectrum etc. There were always arguments back then about my machine is better than yours. However, I have always walked both paths. I have owned a ZX Spectrum, an Oric 1, an Atari 800 XL, A SNES, A Megadrive (Genesis in the states), A N64, A Playstation, A PS2, A Dreamcast, an Xbox and a Gamecube.
I have bought three PC's since 1996 and built 3 more. I have a Buffalo Airstation at home networked to a Fujitsu Siemens PC (my daughter needs it to be in with the MSN crowd and for compaitibility with school) and my own little G4 iBook, my third since 2002.
I have used most major OS from Dos to OS X.
So I feel I can make an opinion. And MY OPINION is this:
The Apple platform is the best OS currently available, their machines (in my personal experience) are the most stable computers on the market. They may not have the latest spec graphics card etc, but being a gamer I have known for 2 years that the PC games market has stagnated. As consoles get more powerful then the PC games market will continue to shrink. They are also the ultimate consumer computer, they look good, perform well and don't constantly crash, or have serious security flaws built into an ever growing archaic platform.
So, for the user who wants to use a computer, from web and graphic design to home movies, music, internet, office, hell just about anything - apart from gaming (GET A CONSOLE) and larger networks (I'll bow to your experience here - though I understand that Apple are making moves in the large scale network area with XSAN) - I still stand by the fact that Apple Computers are the best for the job. Even some of the weaker areas such as 3d animation (always a great PC strength) are coming through on the Apple platform thanks to the G5.
At home the Mac is simple to setup and use, bundled with software perfect for family use.
At work the Power Mac is safe and virtually crash proof (not 100%, but much more reliable than ANY pc).
And just to balance my argument, I think the PC has brought forward some innovations of it's own. The 2 button mouse and scroll wheel (ultimate inpuit device). Competition - without a cheap PC market Apples products would still be beyond the league of most people (now they a just beyond the reach of spec chasers who cannot live knowing someone has 100mhz more speed than the other guy
). Tabs - a small thing, but one that really made a change to interface design and useability.So, over to you Skiniftz
<-- see that, it's a smilie!!Sorry to go off tack there, but I had to reply to those dastardly attacks upon my character.
<--it's another smilie.
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blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah crappy video card
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah FPS
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah crippled FSB
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah too expensive
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah apple sucks
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah too much white space
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah slow burner
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah only 2GB RAM
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah I'm a gamer
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah insert other overused argument
Lighten up Francis, don't like it, don't buy it.
Mine will be here in a few weeks although I do reserve the right to bitch and moan when Apple doesn't deliver on time.
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah crappy video card
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah FPS
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah crippled FSB
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah too expensive
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah apple sucks
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah too much white space
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah slow burner
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah only 2GB RAM
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah I'm a gamer
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah insert other overused argument
Lighten up Francis, don't like it, don't buy it.
Mine will be here in a few weeks although I do reserve the right to bitch and moan when Apple doesn't deliver on time.
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