New iMac G5 Announced

[rdowns]

id assume that it's a brick like the g5, as it puts off quite a bit of heat and there isn't all that much room in the imac.

Nope, no brick. To me, that is an amazing feat of engineering.

From the iMac page:

The entire computer, including a G5-based logic board, slot-loading optical drive, hard disk, speakers, and even the power supply — dwells inside the enchanting display.

 

[oingoboingo]

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah crappy video card
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah FPS
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah crippled FSB
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah too expensive
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah apple sucks
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah too much white space
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah slow burner
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah only 2GB RAM
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah I'm a gamer
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah insert other overused argument

Lighten up Francis, don't like it, don't buy it.

Mine will be here in a few weeks although I do reserve the right to bitch and moan when Apple doesn't deliver on time.

If only you'd posted this succinct summary of the discussion about 1100 comments ago Just to round it out though, you would need to include a few comments like "blah, blah, blah, blah, blah I don't play games so no-one else does either and in fact a raw 4MB framebuffer would be overkill in this thing!!! Buy a PowerMac, hippy!" to sum up for the curmudgeons, and of course an oddball "blah, blah, blah, blah, but it the 20" display will make my penis seem small since I only ever surf the web naked" to represent the truly random element.

But otherwise, nicely done.

 

[ipiloot]

Almost laptop

Well. Has anyone noticed that this is the first desktop computer that one can carry on like a laptop - just put the machine and keyboard and mice in to the hefty laptop case and go! Of course, it still needs power supply to run, but the fact that it can be taken with you with ease is super.

 

[jnicolso1]

Well. Has anyone noticed that this is the first desktop computer that one can carry on like a laptop - just put the machine and keyboard and mice in to the hefty laptop case and go! Of course, it still needs power supply to run, but the fact that it can be taken with you with ease is super.

You used to be able to do this with the plus and classic machines as well, in fact when I was at school in 1989 one of the masters (teachers) had a 512 for which he had built a nifty case which carried it and the mouse and keyboard with style. He later migrated to a powerbook 100

 

[Matty P]

Just got home from Paris with pics of iMac G5

http://homepage.mac.com/parisexpo2004

just got home from Paris and managed to get a long time playing with the new iMac. Man it Rules!

Ordering my machine from the UK store after posting this!

 

[ipiloot]

You used to be able to do this with the plus and classic machines as well, in fact when I was at school in 1989 one of the masters (teachers) had a 512 for which he had built a nifty case which carried it and the mouse and keyboard with style. He later migrated to a powerbook 100

You can do it with every miditower or tower case as well. Incl. PM G5. Question is how easy it is.

 

[CmdrLaForge]

Well. Has anyone noticed that this is the first desktop computer that one can carry on like a laptop - just put the machine and keyboard and mice in to the hefty laptop case and go! Of course, it still needs power supply to run, but the fact that it can be taken with you with ease is super.

You are almost right, beside the fact that the power supply is built right into the computer, you have just a one-plug, and that makes it even better. With bluetooth mouse and keyboard, only ONE cable, no power supply. GREAT !

I still like it. Maybe I get the 20" instead the powerbook

 

[IBSNOWEDIN]

http://homepage.mac.com/parisexpo2004

just got home from Paris and managed to get a long time playing with the new iMac. Man it Rules!

Ordering my machine from the UK store after posting this!

Great Pics! The imac even looks better!

 

[reflex]

You used to be able to do this with the plus and classic machines as well, in fact when I was at school in 1989 one of the masters (teachers) had a 512 for which he had built a nifty case which carried it and the mouse and keyboard with style. He later migrated to a powerbook 100

It's not the first. Sony for example had one a while ago (don't know if they still do).

 

[WorldMage]

umm... it does matter when your are trying to backup your User Folder that is OVer 20GB. It does matter when burning with DVD's a 4X DVD Burn takes like 15 minutes and 8X burner takes about 8 Minutes ...

Uhh, just buy an external HD, backup the entire 20GB folder in 5min (if that),
of get up and walk away time (surf the net etc), instead of a 1/2 hr of
babysitting time (and that is at 16x - accounting for unload/load time etc).

Who backs up to CD's or DVD's anymore...

 

[matlo]

Cost of Cinema displays

With the introduction of the new G5 iMac, it make the 20" Cinema display look like a huge rip off. In the UK the 20" Cinema display is £999 while for an additional £350 quid you can 20" iMac.

I haven't looked into the differences between the 2 screens but I am guessing not very much.

I think it might be time to drop the price of the new displays to more reasonable levels.

 

[Dont Hurt Me]

The new imac is a very clean and good looking design but i have some reservations on packing a power supply,G5,video and everything else into such a tight little space. I wonder what the effects of a heat bath on all those componets will be say a year or two down the road. Powermac went to extremes to remove all heat and iMac went to extremes to pack it all in together. A real video card would have put this machine over the top in my view but i guess thats not what apple wanted. Congrats to those who have one coming.

 

[iGary]

Very similar specs to a couple of G5 models released around this time last year....but the iMac is junk.

That's funny stuff.

 

[Macmaniac]

Thanks so much for the pictures from the Expo. I can't wait to see one in person!

 

[berner]

where is the video card in this thing?

 

[Mord]

quid

seeing that work quoted on a forum just cracks me up

 

[Mord]

The new imac is a very clean and good looking design but i have some reservations on packing a power supply,G5,video and everything else into such a tight little space. I wonder what the effects of a heat bath on all those componets will be say a year or two down the road. Powermac went to extremes to remove all heat and iMac went to extremes to pack it all in together. A real video card would have put this machine over the top in my view but i guess thats not what apple wanted. Congrats to those who have one coming.

i would say yes as the imac works with natural convection, air is drawn up and shunted out the top, just how the cube was cooled.

 

[Skiniftz]

I am sorry, but I have been in the business (as a developer) for over 20 years and your statement...

"You want to build a corporate network environment thats extremely manageable with good support? Go with Dell or Compaq PC's running Windows XP in an Active Directory environment, or perhaps take a look at Sun's Java Desktop or Solaris."

...Is completely baseless and is compete flame-bait.

UNIX has been running America's networks and systems for a long time. It has survived it's trial by fire. UNIX RUNS CORPORATE AMERICA. I should know, I do work on wall street. All of the major (mission critical) systems are running on UNIX.

It is not a mater of platform. It's a mater of OS stability and security. You probably don't realize how many projects that were scratched because of the virus that ran havoc across MS-SQL a year ago. The majority of Corporate America runs on Oracle and Sybase, before the incident, and more so after the incident.

An Xserve can run side-by-side the same UNIX machines that probably control your bank account. Yes, also running Sybase or Oracle. In many cases, it's the same F'n code! In fact, an investment groups G4 or G5 Xserve may be calculating (I have seen them, and AltiVec is fast) your investment risk, and you don't even know it.

Yes, My companies "client" platform of choice is Windows 2K/XP, but my companies platform of choice on the back-end (servers) is very different, and it is NOT Windows.

LOL..

Firstly who mentioned servers? My point is very much about the right tool for the job. And for your information, SOLARIS and Sun's JAVA Desktop ARE UNIX.

Are you a systems admin?

No I didn't think so.

Hey why dont you convince your company to buy some iMacs to run your back end servers?

 

[berner]

i've been looking at the back open high res picture ( off the apple site PR section) and i am trying to figure out wich component is the vid card. also where is the bluetooth card? otherwise i think the guts are well put together, i am especially impressed with the mini scrollcage fans, that style of vent fan is much more capable of creating pressure differences at low speeds than the typical propeller style fan. There is a heap of design in this thing.
Check out the aluminum frame, it is nice enough to be on the outside!

 

[CmdrLaForge]

http://homepage.mac.com/parisexpo2004

just got home from Paris and managed to get a long time playing with the new iMac. Man it Rules!

Ordering my machine from the UK store after posting this!

Thanks for the photos, they are great. Do you have more ? From the 20" version ? I would like to see a real one from the 20" version.

Thanks

 

[Yvan256]

Aside from new FPS games, in what way does the GPU in the latest iMac fail to perform? Seems like it will do anything the consumer would want it to do.

The consumer DO want to play those new FPS games... They probably won't be too happy when they realise their twice-as-expensive-as-a-PC iMac G5 blows away a PC at almost anything except they can't even play Doom3 properly (and by "properly" I mean native-LCD-resolution at medium settings to get at least 30 fps - not "2048x1600 at ultra high settings to get at least 200 fps", we're not all numbers-crazy gamers).

See my previous post, I did some numbers crunching and the iMac G5 17" probably won't be able to pull more than 15 fps at the very best.

 

[lasuther]

Well. Has anyone noticed that this is the first desktop computer that one can carry on like a laptop - just put the machine and keyboard and mice in to the hefty laptop case and go! Of course, it still needs power supply to run, but the fact that it can be taken with you with ease is super.

It might be argued that this is going to be difficult to carry as a laptop, given that the 20" iMac is around 25 pounds while the 17" PowerBook is under 7 pounds. That makes a difference if you move your laptop around a lot.

Also, with the 17" iMac weighing in at 18 pounds, Apple will have to reduce the weight by 62% just to get a similar computer into the PowerBook.

Personally, I love the new iMac. I was planning on getting a 17" PowerBook, but now I'll probably get the iMac. I have to usually complaint about the graphics card, but it seems a couple of people have already brought that up. Hopefully when rev B comes out there will be a graphics card update. Also, I'm hoping for a 23" model with rev B. A 23" iMac is what I'm waiting for.

lasuther

 

[Wardofsky]

Here's the image with the card in focus, it appears to be the old .11b cards.

I think this was mentioned earlier about the AirPort card but I sitll can't work it out.

 

[jihad the movie]

17" Display

Um, with the 17", it says the display is 1440x900, is this by any chance the same LCD on the 17" Powerbook?

 

[Yvan256]

A lot of people WANT to switch. But keep forcing them to buy an LCD screen (which they don't need - they're SWITCHERS, they ALREADY have a CRT/LCD display) .

I disagree with this point although as with most of the statements on here, no actual facts. I know several people who have a CRT monitor and an old Windows PC and are considering switching.

Well yes of course the point isn't as strong if the potential switcher is using a CRT and was planning on getting an LCD anyway. But my point stays as some people already do have an LCD display, and some people just want to stay on a CRT (believe it or not, a CRT is still better than a LCD for some stuff, such as color precision and multiple resolutions)

Of course, I expect you to reply with the now standard "get a powermac" response, to which I reply "way too expensive" since I'm talking about *saving money* by not buying a display I already have (so why are you telling me to get the most expensive Mac? That won't save me money at all!)