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too white

Why isn't there an option for a charcoal grey version?

White is just too "in your face" for me....

I saw my first 23" aluminium display today at Fry's (not in the Apple SWIAS, but over in the gaming section !). Much too bright for my tastes.

The aluminium frame makes the frame look huge (compared to an identically-sized system with black or charcoal frames). Not only that, but the bright white end panels on the al display are really tacky. Why aren't the end panels alu or dark?

All in all, it makes me happy that I bought the Samsung black 243T a couple of weeks ago. The alu look isn't what I'd call elegant - and the new iMac looks to be again on the "tacky plastic" side of Apple's design goals.

Looking at the makeup-mirror iMacs at Fry's, with the dark smudgy fingerprints on the screen and near the CD drawer - I wondered why Apple doesn't learn about the difference between "MOMA Style" and "lifestyle style".

The recent iMacs have been "out of style" by the time they've shipped - the flat ones seemed destined for the same fate.

But, there will be a spike in sales when a few hundred thousand fan-bois get the latest from J'ives - then sales will tank again.....
 
...but oh so much more practical

AidenShaw said:
But, there will be a spike in sales when a few hundred thousand fan-bois get the latest from J'ives - then sales will tank again.....
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Great all-around post. . .but. . .I feel that the "staying power" of the G5 iMac will make a difference in sales a year from now, as opposed to the iLamp's early sales slump - the iLamps were simply too hard to upgrade by the user, whereas these appear to be much easier.

Add to that storefront displays featuring the G5 iMac hung on walls (without the desk foot, perhaps with or without a VESA mounting) and suddenly practicality springs eternal, no?
 
I think that Apple has pulled off an excellent product. The design is perfect and the power is unmatched for an all-in-one computer (let alone a 2" thin one :D). These will sell great - wait and see.

For all who are complaining about the GPU: close your mouth and wait for Revision B :D.

Cheers everyone, :)
JOD8FY
 
cyberddot said:
I like 'em, I ordered one. I can build my own PC, I'm not doing that, because it's not a Mac when I'm finished.
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This is the post I want to reply!.. this is the idea we all should have.. I attended a tech fair a week ago and presented the Macs.. I used all kinds of them and loved them all.. on the other hand, last night my cousin's Celeron PC crushed while I was just writing an email, because of a virus called spybot or something like that.. believe me, I won't/don't touch a PC if I dont have to..

I'm buying a iMac G5 as soon as its RevB.. and as soon as Tiger comes out..
 
AidenShaw said:
...But, there will be a spike in sales when a few hundred thousand fan-bois get the latest from J'ives - then sales will tank again.....
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As an Apple fan-Man, I've been waiting 5 years to make a purchase, so I guess we could add me and a few others to the "et al" group that get lumped in with those updating their prosthetic:eek: every year. No doubt plenty more are waiting for the right color combination, the next OS, the Rev.B> perfection, or for Apple to take their sound advice on business management before they dare to place an order. We wanted a new computer today (October actually, according to the latest time estimate), and this iMac fits our needs, not our fashion sense. I could give a rat's a$$ what color of plastic it is, wether some dolt could set it up in such a way that it could tip over, or if Apple will bend and add the GPU-du-joir - the graphics outside my window are AWEsome. I'm not a share holder, and I doubt this iMac spells the end for Apple, so I really don't care if sales tank as the masses rally for the next release either. A computer purchase is all about me and my needs and aren't dependent on whether I can justify the purchase to all of my ocean-floor mapping friends at the office next door. By the time I'm ready to trade the new one in I know I'll have my money's worth of service, as I have out of the crtMac that sits before me right now.

Edu' discount, a great OS and the software I like to use. What else matters? Maybe we non-gaming, biologists-types are just too blind to see the wisdom in the whining? :D

If only I understood more about (the) technical intricacies of making a computer purchase. I've deluded myself into thinking my HP 32S programmable calculator and Toshiba/Tecra P120 laptop are still cool. :cool:

(edit) - grammar police
 
cyberddot said:
Edu' discount, a great OS and the software I like to use. What else matters? Maybe we non-gaming, biologists-types are just too blind to see the wisdom in the whining? :D
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I don't think any of us us "whiners" have said not to buy the thing. If you have read the points of view, have accepted the limitations and design flaws, and still think what is there outweighs what's not there, for God's sake, just buy the damn computer.

It's not a matter of "well it's nearly worthless for games, so don't buy it" or "positioning it precariously will ruin your day, so don't buy it", it's all about if it fits your needs... I tried to paint a non-deluded picture of what needs it could satiate, but maybe that wasn't such a good idea.

In fact, I don't know why I even pointed out and did research into how bad the video card is. I should've just let people buy the thing, and so Apple would have enough R&D money to make a product that I actually liked. Let people come on the boards days after they buy the machine and say, like they said with the original iMac, "WTF! UT2004 RUNS LIKE POOP!"

Then those people would be called whiners, or said to "just not get it" by the [to quote AidenShaw] fan-bois. "It's not for games!" they would say, having seen the benchmarks and realizing the full impotence of Apple's choice in video solution.

I've learned my lesson, I'll try not to criticize any Apple product where it might effect their sales ever again. Congrats fanbois! you've won! Your constant insults have convinced me that EVERYONE but me needs to buy an iMac, and actually 2 or 3 might work better. Meanwhile I'll only voice my positive opinions about Apple products.
 
davey-nb said:
I too wasn't overwhelmed by the look at first but the value sold me.
I've been waiting for a sensibly priced/speced Mac for some time.
I'm still running the Power PC 7600/132 I bought in 1997 with 80mb ram and System 8.6. It's never given me a day's trouble and I run it 6-8 hrs a day.
I've got a ViewSonic 17" crt so the whole setup is a sea of beige!
I'm looking forward to the white and chrome/aqua OSX world I've been missing for years! Delivery is by September 29, until further notice anyway!
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Personally I miss the old finder where you clicked to switch programs. In 1994 I bought my first Mac, a Powermac 6100.
 
slughead said:
<snip>I've learned my lesson, I'll try not to criticize any Apple product where it might effect their sales ever again. Congrats fanbois! you've won! Your constant insults have convinced me that EVERYONE but me needs to buy an iMac, and actually 2 or 3 might work better. Meanwhile I'll only voice my positive opinions about Apple products.
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I stand corrected. That doesn't sound whiney at all. What it has to do with the quote from my post about purchasing being a personal decision, I don't know.

As to Apple's video solution, I'll recant and admit that I would rather have the fastest everything for the best price possible, including a video card, I've said as much in former posts about an upgradeable Apple SFF. It's not happening soon enough and it isn't important enough for me or many other Mac users to delay an upgrade from a rapidly aging model.

As I mentioned in an earlier post in this thread, I did "just buy the damn computer".

Originally posted by cyberddot
I like 'em, I ordered one. I can build my own PC, I'm not doing that, because it's not a Mac when I'm finished.
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cyberddot said:
I stand corrected. That doesn't sound whiney at all. What it has to do with the quote from my post about purchasing being a personal decision, I don't know.

As to Apple's video solution, I'll recant and admit that I would rather have the fastest everything for the best price possible, including a video card, I've said as much in former posts about an upgradeable Apple SFF. It's not happening soon enough and it isn't important enough for me or many other Mac users to delay an upgrade from a rapidly aging model.

As I mentioned in an earlier post in this thread, I did "just buy the damn computer".
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I was saying nobody was disagreeing with you, then I was pointing out that the minute an unkind word is spoken, nearly any posts about personal decisions on the machine included insults to those trying to clear the fog of fan-boi-ism.

I think we have prevented at least 1 case of buyer's remorse. Obviously you personally didn't need anyone's help as none of the complaints effect you.

I was also pointing out the general tendency in this case for people to call any and all problems pointed out "whining." Any argument contrary to what Apple (obviously) wants you to think is met with insults--literally. Predictively, the least subtle insults were given in response to statistics and articles--actual facts that were posted.

Even in your post, you imply yet even more insult.

I'm thick skinned, but obviously some arguments just aren't appreciated here.

It's just not worth it.

But it's all moot anyway, because there are no problems or design flaws with the iMac! Ignore my previous posts!
 
Here is my bit. The imac looks cool, and its a consumer computer. Not the GAMING MASTER. If you want to play games, buy a PC, or ever better a xbox. I say take the plunge and buy the imac. Don't wait around for it to get updated. If you have the chronic fear of something becoming outdated, the just dont ever buy anything tech related again. Or you could buy the imac and accept the fact that better faster computers will be out six months later. It doesn't matter but make you choice and stop complaining.


Accept its flaws and be happy.

Peace,

Will
 
Product Critique: "Accept its flaws and be happy"

Here is my bit. The imac looks cool, and its a consumer computer. Not the GAMING MASTER. If you want to play games, buy a PC, or ever better a xbox. I say take the plunge and buy the imac. Don't wait around for it to get updated. If you have the chronic fear of something becoming outdated, the just dont ever buy anything tech related again. Or you could buy the imac and accept the fact that better faster computers will be out six months later. It doesn't matter but make you choice and stop complaining.


Accept its flaws and be happy.

Dang, and here I thought it was a free country.... Can't we agree to disagree / agree that:

* Apple got a lot into the G5 iMac at a good (for Apple) price, and it meets the needs of many.

* The graphics chip does limit it's appeal to some users. Most here want Apple to be as succesful as possible (more users = more investment in the platform), and some see this as a big hole (tout the space savings of an all in one, and then saying get a second box/monitor for games - ???)

Of course, it's all part of Apple conspiracy to rule the world: can't get enough G5 chips to meet expected demand anyways, so limit the sales a bit in the short term, then a Rev B for the gamers, etc. (along with the headless iMac ;-)

Either that, or the G5 iMac was planed for release 6 months ago when the chip wasn't that old, but due to chip issues slipped. Or just couldn't hit the price point / heat requirements, or....

My bottom line: great machine for many, a step in the right direction (faster, more serviceable, ...), not the machine for everyone, and of course, room for improvement.

For the record, I'm in the camp hoping for more to build market share, such as a head..., er, Cube Jr, .... Which should really get the faithfull going....
 
I was trying to make a point that people should stop moaning about what the imac isn't and focus on what it is. Some people look at the weak graphics card as a flaw, when its just how the computers made. What can you do about it? You can get another computer if the imac just doesn't meet your ALL IMPORTANT needs.
 
iCube support team

jaguar451 said:
<snip>My bottom line: great machine for many, a step in the right direction (faster, more serviceable, ...), not the machine for everyone, and of course, room for improvement.

For the record, I'm in the camp hoping for more to build market share, such as a head..., er, Cube Jr, .... Which should really get the faithfull going....
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ooooOK...apologies to those ankles I nipped at, but I must admit that this last part is near and dear to my heart. We're a 2 mac household and we just replaced the oldest with the new iMac and Airport-Express, but we'll be milking the 2.1 eMac until all whiners, including me, have been heard. We took one for the team because we could.

Others that are suggesting that one thinks about the purchase before making it shouldn't be ignored. I'll also agree that writing off those ready to make the purchase for the right reasons as sheep should be (doled) out in small doses, as should the indiscrimant labeling of constructive and creative critics as "whiners", since it is indeed the MONEY from a variety of purchasing decisions that will fuel the fire for those future revisions.

Humble pie goes great with homebrewed porter <burp>

(edit) ale induced spelling/grammar error
 
lets face it, apple is glad to build and sell computers, but with a 3% market share that is going nowhere (nor up nor down) the real money for apple remains in ipod sales and in itms. i for one am tired of all the calls for a "headless" imac. it goes against the principle of the imac entirely: an all in one solution for consumer computing needs with an attractive design, and a reasonable price. i find these new imacs to accomplish just that. if you want a headless mac with a better video card, there are plenty of single 1.6gig and dual 1.8 gig powermacs out there, and they can be tricked out with a 6800 (if they ever ship). Ill bet you can find the 1.6 for less than 1400$ these days.


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this happens EVERY time apple releases something. you get a bunch of people complaining about it and eventually the views turn around then all you hear is how great it is. I remember when people could only see the flaws of OSX and failed to see how great the OS was. What i think is really funny is none of you have even USED the new iMac...so prejudice. And if it doesnt match your needs as far as power then the iMac isnt meant for you so why complain about it? Your suppose to be checking out the higher end machine, its called a powermac. Its like saying the new Hondas dont have enough horse power and that Honda screwed up releasing such a car when you should of been at the Porsche dealer NOT the Honda dealer.

its been four days since ive been to this thread and STILL the same fuzzy perspective OVER and OVER again...

those of you who think the graphics card makes this computer worthless WE HEARD YOU. Dont buy it. Get a powermac. And design flaws... because you dont like something makes it a flaw?

i can absolutely respect the fact that the iMac doesnt match everyones needs but to go on belly aching about something that isnt even meant for your is just SILLY.


i personally cant wait to see it in person.
 
Re: can't complain about not having a headless iMac option anymore.

Chomolungma said:
At least people can't complain about not having a headless iMac option anymore. :D

-Chomo
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Sounds like a challenge.... ;-)

Granted, should call it the 'Faceless' iMac instead of 'Headless', but take the G5 iMac, put in some plastic in place of the user replaceable screen, and viola, the "Faceless iMac". Even put in the low-end graphics card / HD size from the EDU iMac, and have a box for switchers who want to keep their current monitor and spend under $1k for their next computer / folks wanting a second mac for the kids / Grandparents / .... And Apple keeps it's margins.

And could even invest is a bit of engineering to put the power button on the front (current side with the optical disc), ports on the back, a different stand, ..... Keep as many components the same as in the iMac for economy of scale / maybe a bit cheaper components as have a bit more space for heat dissapation.

The Slate

Given the shape, can't really call it a Cube (Cube was high end, this is "entry"), but then, I've never been good at naming.

And for Rev B, upgradeable graphics card (assuming also in iMac.)

FWIW, if I could afford a new computer, I'd get a G5 iMac
 
OldTimey said:
lets face it, apple is glad to build and sell computers, but with a 3% market share that is going nowhere (nor up nor down) the real money for apple remains in ipod sales and in itms.
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Hardly. The real money continues to be on their CPU sales. In the most recent quarter, Apple made $1.2 billion in revenue for all CPUs and $249 million for iPods and $73 million in other music related products which includes iPod accessories and the iTMS.

As a point of comparison, Apple sold $219 million in Apple accessories for the quarter (things like mice, KBs, iSight).

Now tell me where their money comes from.
 
The buttons have been pushed.

Whatever Apple need to do to entice PC users over has worked in my case, the buttons have been pushed.
I was in Tokyo last week and found the Apple Store on the Ginza.
My daughter had dropped a few hints prior to the trip about getting an ipod. Upon checking prices I found a big price difference between Japan and the UK, to my advantage, and made the purchase.
Apart from the look on her face (priceless) when she unwrapped the package, it was a real treat watching how the ipod came out of the box. I love good design and this thing has it in spades.
It led me to take a closer look at Apple, something that I had not bothered with before. I use the the PC for music, pictures and video editing as well as the net, so I have just described i life.
Seeing the imac g5 just blew me away. I think I will wait for the spec to pick up in the next release and then I will wave a not so fond farewell to PC and hello to the brave new world of Apple.
 
oldmovieguy said:
I think I will wait for the spec to pick up in the next release and then I will wave a not so fond farewell to PC and hello to the brave new world of Apple.
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Most likely you'll be waiting 6 months or more before they update the specs; they don't update the iMac very often. The specs are pretty good, so if you want one, now is probably the time to get it.
 
LEgregius said:
Most likely you'll be waiting 6 months or more before they update the specs; they don't update the iMac very often. The specs are pretty good, so if you want one, now is probably the time to get it.
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Point taken, I have I'll have to wait at least six months though before she who must be obeyed will let me junk the PC !
 
Now is the time

LEgregius said:
Most likely you'll be waiting 6 months or more before they update the specs; they don't update the iMac very often. The specs are pretty good, so if you want one, now is probably the time to get it.
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I agree: now is the time. Also, the "or more" part is more accurate, IMO,... the supposed "begin shipping in September" will most likely get pushed to the beginning in October. The rest of the Ramp Up will probably take a couple of more months before you can go into your trust Apple reseller store and KNOW you will find the new iMacs on their shelves. I'd image that we won't see ANY adjustments to the G5 iMac until June 2005.

Now is the time.
 
jaguar451 said:
Granted, should call it the 'Faceless' iMac instead of 'Headless', but take the G5 iMac, put in some plastic in place of the user replaceable screen, and viola, the "Faceless iMac". Even put in the low-end graphics card / HD size from the EDU iMac, and have a box for switchers who want to keep their current monitor and spend under $1k for their next computer / folks wanting a second mac for the kids / Grandparents / .... And Apple keeps it's margins.
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What in the world makes you think it would at all let Apple keep their margins? The screens being used in the iMacs aren't the Apple HD panels, which means that even the lowend is going to cost more than the $600-700 price that people are bandying about so freely. You've also neglected to mention that both the case and the motherboard will need major adjusstments just to function as a standard unit. Where do the ports go? How are you going to get video out and where does that port go?

And could even invest is a bit of engineering to put the power button on the front (current side with the optical disc), ports on the back, a different stand, ..... Keep as many components the same as in the iMac for economy of scale / maybe a bit cheaper components as have a bit more space for heat dissapation.
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So, in other words, you keep the specs the same but build an entirely different box with different internal layout and port-out configuration? How does that at all preserve anything, other than perhaps supply costs? It doesn't cut the R&D needed by much, though there would be some savings, and it certainly doesn't reduce fabrication costs to have to retool yet another production line.

And for Rev B, upgradeable graphics card (assuming also in iMac.)
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Because adding things to the motherboard doesn't change costs at all! :rolleyes:
 
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