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crap. already 300+ responses?! too many to read through! Has probably already been said, but. . .

this announcement is great in so many ways.
1. iMac G5s confirmed! (obviously)
2. could their "less than perfect" planning mean sales rates have increased? sales figures come out July 14. Analysis may be surprised, watch AAPL.
3. any iMacs left in September will be rediculously discounted.
4. complete media-hype mayhem. will apple be able to keep the design secret until sept??
5. with all this time, Apple should have the ability to accumulate a good stockpile of new product for the kickoff. . . lest we repeat the iPod-mini disaster.

now i'll read through all the posts and find responses.
 
greenstork said:
Hey man, you need to do a little more research. Have you seen Apple's stock price recently? Market analysts keep raising estimates on the company. Do you think these folks are just stupid?

Apple is pulling all the right strings right now and Wall Street is taking notice. Sure sure, they're bringing in revenue with consumer electronics but the mind share that they gain with this strategy will pay off for computer sales in the long run. Don't worry about Apple, they've got it going on right now.

I need to do to a little research? I am confused? I did not say anything about Apple's stock price. I only metioned that WSJ had only bad news to say about Apple in WSJ's articles on Monday.

And I did not say anything about anybody being stupid. However, the market analysts raised the estimates with expectations that Apple would announce and/or release the new iMac during WWDC.

As for 'Apple is pulling all the right strings', I hardly think that not having your top selling consumer computer available for purchase at all during the second busiest buying season is hardly applaudable.

And, no, I don't think they have it going on right now. This is a mistake. Not a good thing.
 
Dave the Great said:
As for 'Apple is pulling all the right strings', I hardly think that not having your top selling consumer computer available for purchase at all during the second busiest buying season is hardly applaudable.

How many billions does Apple have in the bank? They'll weather this fine.
 
logtime reader, first post ever, mac user since 1984

first, this rocks , its got to be big.

second, i've read many post suggesting that apple has screwed up big. terrible for their image, etc... I think not...if you notice the number of posts to this thread compared to any of the stories of late (ie: Tiger screenshots & feature annocemnents, 3-4 days old now) this thread has the most (302 at last check (5 hours old)) and growing by the minute compared to only 250something for the 4 day old tiger screenshots. This is huge news and the saying goes: any press is good press
The fact that its strange and out of character for Apple will only serve to highten the hype. Its brilliant!

Third, some say that headless is unlikely. I disagree, this is a market they need to get into. which leads me to

forth, wireless displays are impossible due to bandwidth limitations. as any good macrumors reader knows, apple developed firewire, and more intriguingly Wireless Firewire.Wireless Firewire yes wireless firewire. there were recent statements that the wireless firewire standard was approved by the IEEE. Apple was first to BUILD & SHIP: all in one pc (1984), mouse (1984) PDA,newton,handwriting recognition (1990ish), portable computer (80's?), notebook, digital camera (mid 90's), USB standard on iMac (no floppys...yes!)(1999), Wi-Fi networking (2001?), hard drive mp3 player (2002), wi-fi/bluetooth standard in notebooks, first at getting bluetooth rolling too I think They will be the first ship Wireless Firewire they must. I think that would drive a monitor, wouldn't it? But, this bring me to

fifth, combine wireless firewire with a detachable monitor/tablet on a dual G5 iMac (Cube?). before you say "no way", ponder this...
one G5 in the iMac base where you have massive mass storage (500GB-1TB) (you'll need this for the H.264 movies they'll be selling at iTunes Movie Store soon...the name needs some work maybe iFlix Movie Store) stereo in/out, MIDI? that would rock, video out, video in would be awesome, 8x superdrive w/ laser labeling 16x? we can hope, iPod dock built in, all the usual I/O DVI/1394a/b/USB 1&2/Ethernet/Modem all for lets say $1000-$1200 (to all the 1TB+ nay sayers out there, look at the paradigm shift Apple has manifested in the pricing of supercomputing with the Virginia Tech and ARMY systems and the cost of massive storage in the xServe RAID... they are order of magnitude less from apple).

Next you put the other G5 in the wireless firewire 17"+ tablet with less mass storage 100G+ and all the same I/O but just a DVD player (superdrive upgrade BTO) for $800 or so. also includes the wireless keyboard and mouse.

The kicker you tie the G5 processors together with xGrid (XGrid will be built into the core of Tiger. an update may suffice till then, but wait it just was updated wasn't it? wonder if there's any clue in the code) now you have the power of a dual 64bit processor in a stand-alone-detachable tablet. you don't even need all the bandwidth of wireless firewire to stream H.264 video (@ 4X times DVD quality) to the monitor because the monitor has the graphics and processing available onboard to render the screen, even independent of the base unit. make no mistake about it, xGrid is huge, this will be cluster computing for idiots. you want more power, buy another iMac base (of course they stack and they link together when stacked (four bases one power cord), or just another tablet. better yet they could offer stripped down bases an... iMac ClusterNode, if you will, much like the xServe ClusterNode. $500 gets you more storage another G5 or two and more I/O ports. spread them around the house for better wireless network coverage & no "airport base station" necessary.



6th,
all you need now is:
wireless iPod A/V (phone?).
an Apple wireless firewire (wi-fw) all-in-one printer/scanner/fax/copier
wi-fw scanning...wi-fw printing...now that would be speedy.
The all in one could have a BTO so that you could add more storage and another G5 or two to it. One more node one the cluster. Hopefully, they would tie the ink bussiness in with HP, (HP cartridges standard) that would make it purely a hardware deal for Apple and give HP even more incentive to stay with the iPod dealings.

7th and last:
one of the WWDC poster photos states, "Mac OS X Tiger: now on Intel" what's with this and how might that play into what's going on with the iMac. How come no one else has mentioned this? That's seems like big news to me.

Sorry for the long speculative post, thanks for your time. Just Watch!!!!!!!
 

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cmcclain said:
I can see it now, if Apple is already saying it will be available in September, you know that they are going to make a huge ordeal of releasing the new re-designed iMac. I and everyone else be furious if they release it with the G4 with the same speeds as the new PowerBook model's. 1.5 GHz and all the other new components, ect... It's already planned for Apple Expo - Paris.
We will just have to wait and see... I just wonder if they will really release a G5 consumer iMac before the Professional PowerBook. I hope I am wrong cause it may be a while till they can fit that HUGE HOT G5 processor in the thin designed PowerBook. Sorry if my post discouraged anyone. See-Yeah, Colby.

I could be hallucinating, but go to the Apple Expo - Paris website
http://www.apple-expo.com/
and choose "you are an individual customer" located above the welcome sign. The LCD displays do not appear to resemble Apples current displays - Could they be the new iMacs equipped with iSight? The radiant white glow from behind the monitors surely heightens the mystique.....
 
aldo said:
Of course it does, it's dual-CPU. But a lot of people don't need the power that dual 2.5gig provides - a single 3.6ghz is quite good for most people.

actually even a single 400MHz is enough for most people. you know, all the regular joes out there who replace their computer when the old one doesn't work anymore. it's not a speed contest with the imac at all - it's all about making it easier for regular joe to use it.

i have such a 400MHz G3 imac sitting on a kitchen table, and it's far more powerful than my wife needs for regular web surfing and emailing. way more powerful for that. she never complains about it being too slow - the only thing she ever has had a complaint about it was to get rid of the ethernet cable, so i put in an airport card. see? it's not about what cpu is inside and how many bounces does it take for safari to open. if it works, it works. if it some day doesn't work anymore, then she has a need for a new one. not before

now...

those people who think they are some kind of design/audio/video professionals and cannot afford a powermac, they are the people who complain about imac being too slow. the only people. and they cannot see the real problem: it all comes down to money - theirs - and the fact that they cannot buy the tool they claim they need. for god's sake, if you are a pro, then get a pro tool for it. you can get money from a bank and being such a pro you think you are, the money comes back very fast.

i have a G4 powerbook because i need more power than the trusty old G3 imac can provide. and i use that power daily to the point that i wonder why the bottom of the thing hasn't melted yet. i don't however complain about imac speed.
 
Tiger on Intel

macumus said:
first, this rocks , its got to be big.

second, i've read many post suggesting that apple has screwed up big. terrible for their image, etc... I think not...if you notice the number of posts to this thread compared to any of the stories of late (ie: Tiger screenshots & feature annocemnents, 3-4 days old now) this thread has the most (302 at last check (5 hours old)) and growing by the minute compared to only 250something for the 4 day old tiger screenshots. This is huge news and the saying goes: any press is good press
The fact that its strange and out of character for Apple will only serve to highten the hype. Its brilliant!

Third, some say that headless is unlikely. I disagree, this is a market they need to get into. which leads me to

forth, wireless displays are impossible due to bandwidth limitations. as any good macrumors reader knows, apple developed firewire, and more intriguingly Wireless Firewire.Wireless Firewire yes wireless firewire. there were recent statements that the wireless firewire standard was approved by the IEEE. Apple was first to BUILD & SHIP: all in one pc (1984), mouse (1984) PDA,newton,handwriting recognition (1990ish), portable computer (80's?), notebook, digital camera (mid 90's), USB standard on iMac (no floppys...yes!)(1999), Wi-Fi networking (2001?), hard drive mp3 player (2002), wi-fi/bluetooth standard in notebooks, first at getting bluetooth rolling too I think They will be the first ship Wireless Firewire they must. I think that would drive a monitor, wouldn't it? But, this bring me to

fifth, combine wireless firewire with a detachable monitor/tablet on a dual G5 iMac (Cube?). before you say "no way", ponder this...
one G5 in the iMac base where you have massive mass storage (500GB-1TB) (you'll need this for the H.264 movies they'll be selling at iTunes Movie Store soon...the name needs some work maybe iFlix Movie Store) stereo in/out, MIDI? that would rock, video out, video in would be awesome, 8x superdrive w/ laser labeling 16x? we can hope, iPod dock built in, all the usual I/O DVI/1394a/b/USB 1&2/Ethernet/Modem all for lets say $1000-$1200 (to all the 1TB+ nay sayers out there, look at the paradigm shift Apple has manifested in the pricing of supercomputing with the Virginia Tech and ARMY systems and the cost of massive storage in the xServe RAID... they are order of magnitude less from apple).

Next you put the other G5 in the wireless firewire 17"+ tablet with less mass storage 100G+ and all the same I/O but just a DVD player (superdrive upgrade BTO) for $800 or so. also includes the wireless keyboard and mouse.

The kicker you tie the G5 processors together with xGrid (XGrid will be built into the core of Tiger. an update may suffice till then, but wait it just was updated wasn't it? wonder if there's any clue in the code) now you have the power of a dual 64bit processor in a stand-alone-detachable tablet. you don't even need all the bandwidth of wireless firewire to stream H.264 video (@ 4X times DVD quality) to the monitor because the monitor has the graphics and processing available onboard to render the screen, even independent of the base unit. make no mistake about it, xGrid is huge, this will be cluster computing for idiots. you want more power, buy another iMac base (of course they stack and they link together when stacked (four bases one power cord), or just another tablet. better yet they could offer stripped down bases an... iMac ClusterNode, if you will, much like the xServe ClusterNode. $500 gets you more storage another G5 or two and more I/O ports. spread them around the house for better wireless network coverage & no "airport base station" necessary.



6th,
all you need now is:
wireless iPod A/V (phone?).
an Apple wireless firewire (wi-fw) all-in-one printer/scanner/fax/copier
wi-fw scanning...wi-fw printing...now that would be speedy.
The all in one could have a BTO so that you could add more storage and another G5 or two to it. One more node one the cluster. Hopefully, they would tie the ink bussiness in with HP, (HP cartridges standard) that would make it purely a hardware deal for Apple and give HP even more incentive to stay with the iPod dealings.

7th and last:
one of the WWDC poster photos states, "Mac OS X Tiger: now on Intel" what's with this and how might that play into what's going on with the iMac. How come no one else has mentioned this? That's seems like big news to me.

Sorry for the long speculative post, thanks for your time. Just Watch!!!!!!!

"Mac OS X Tiger: now on Intel" seems to play along the lines of "Introducing Longhorn," "Redmond, start your photocopiers," etc.
It could mean what you are implying, but I seriously doubt it.
Imagine the Mac experience on a Dell........ come to think of it,
it would be one Hell of an improvement.
 
JFreak said:
actually even a single 400MHz is enough for most people...
One word...gamers
There may not be very many gamers that use Mac but with games coming out like UT2004, Halo, etc it is becoming easier for us to use our trusty OS X with our games instead of our wincrap
 
macumus said:
\7th and last:
one of the WWDC poster photos states, "Mac OS X Tiger: now on Intel" what's with this and how might that play into what's going on with the iMac. How come no one else has mentioned this? That's seems like big news to me.

Sorry for the long speculative post, thanks for your time. Just Watch!!!!!!!

That poster is a 100% fake. Someone photoshopped the original image.
 
JFreak said:
actually even a single 400MHz is enough for most people. you know, all the regular joes out there who replace their computer when the old one doesn't work anymore. it's not a speed contest with the imac at all - it's all about making it easier for regular joe to use it.

i have such a 400MHz G3 imac sitting on a kitchen table, and it's far more powerful than my wife needs for regular web surfing and emailing. way more powerful for that. she never complains about it being too slow - the only thing she ever has had a complaint about it was to get rid of the ethernet cable, so i put in an airport card. see? it's not about what cpu is inside and how many bounces does it take for safari to open. if it works, it works. if it some day doesn't work anymore, then she has a need for a new one. not before

now...
those people who think they are some kind of design/audio/video professionals and cannot afford a powermac, they are the people who complain about imac being too slow. the only people. and they cannot see the real problem: it all comes down to money - theirs - and the fact that they cannot buy the tool they claim they need. for god's sake, if you are a pro, then get a pro tool for it. you can get money from a bank and being such a pro you think you are, the money comes back very fast.

i have a G4 powerbook because i need more power than the trusty old G3 imac can provide. and i use that power daily to the point that i wonder why the bottom of the thing hasn't melted yet. i don't however complain about imac speed.


You are so right. I would say that 95% of computer users don't need anything more that an email/web box.


Frump.
 
thatwendigo said:
That being said, I think there's something Apple could do that would be worthwhile in several senses. There are already production graphics cards that carry waterblocks, and Apple's got a liquid cooling system. Why not liquid cool the major parts of the system? Put the processor, GPU, and SuperDrive all on contact plates and then vent them with low speed fans around the upper section, say three of them pulling air through the radiator and pushing it off in separate directions.
Given Apple's current aluminum fetish, I wouldn't be completely surprised if the new case served as a giant heat sink or exchanger. A finned body would have seemed a bit too brutal and industrial at one time, but the G5 tower and mini have already been around to get people used to a "raw" metallic look.
 
rikers_mailbox said:
crap. already 300+ responses?! too many to read through! Has probably already been said, but. . .

this announcement i great in so many ways.
1. iMac G5s confirmed! (obviously)
2. could their "less than perfect" planning mean sales rates have increased? sales figures come out July 14. Analysis may be surprised, watch AAPL.
3. any iMacs left in September will be rediculously discounted.
4. complete media-hype mayhem. will apple be able to keep the design secret until sept??

now i'll read through all the posts and find responses.

Great strategy -- look at the wave of responses right here!
People will be scavenging for EOL iMacs, greatly anticipating
the upcoming new ones, lot's of hype and publicity, and
create a huge demand before the supply even arrives.
Advanced Sales tactics, anyone?
 
DMann said:
"Mac OS X Tiger: now on Intel" seems to play along the lines of "Introducing Longhorn," "Redmond, start your photocopiers," etc.
It could mean what you are implying, but I seriously doubt it.
Imagine the Mac experience on a Dell........ come to think of it,
it would be one Hell of an improvement.



No Dell's for me thanks!!!

Maybe it means they're so fed up with IBM's troubles that they needed to bring Intel into the fold. they could then offer a choice of processors or separate lines altogether, there by taking some of the strain off IBM.

Could also be that they have a new deal with HP to sell macs through HP the way they are going to sell iPods (BTW when does start?). Say HP wanted an alternative to the lagging behind Windowz. Volume wise HP sells to many computers for Apple to keep up with they would have to work together on hardware manufacture and HP already has an established
business with Intel.
 
Heat Sink As CASE

I dig the Heat Sink As CASE concept. the G5 tower have softened up the idea
 
iMacs

macumus said:
Those are just iMac with iSight

I originally thought so too, but they seem to be
missing the thick support rod in the back. This
could be due to the lighting, but the support rod
behind the monitor of an iMac is pretty thick, more-so
than what meets the eye in that promotional photo.
 
Sorry

Sorry, but if you look closely, you will see the supporting arm that is on the current iMacs. If you can't see it, try looking at the iMac in back of the front unit; you should see the arm at this point. I too thought it might be a different computer, but it is, in fact, a current iMac.

Mike LaRiviere
 
DMann said:
I originally thought so too, but they seem to be
missing the thick support rod in the back. This
could be due to the lighting, but the support rod
behind the monitor of an iMac is pretty thick, more-so
than what meets the eye in that promotional photo.

yeah, it's lighting or photoshop in the center images, but you can see the support in the lower half of the center right image (right in the middle of it)

you're right about how thick they are. I have one and I like that they are stout. you lift the whole unit up by them, very nice.
 
furthermore. .

. . this announcement hints at Apple's consumer/prosumer line being more defined and separate.

1. Look at the new displays (no pun intended). They are now outfitted with Al enclosures, and the smallest size is 20"?! I can't imagine the 'average' e-mail and web-surfing computer user *needs* that. Next gen iMacs will again sport attached screens, offering something smaller than 20".

2. PowerMacs are all dualies now. I assume iMac G5s will probably be single processor. It's good to have a huge speed gap here for sales. If power is needed, you'll have to pay for it. (especially with those screen prices!)

3. Sorry, but laptops should never be faster than desktops. PowerBooks will stay G4s for quite some time, but still be refreshed at a good pace. iBooks - ??

4. eMacs were just refreshed, and will continue to see boring refreshes. Hey, they're cheap!

5. Xserves will see the same speed bumps as PowerMacs. I hope the IT world sees the light here. UNIX platform, and a sweet GUI to boot?? imagine life as an administrator to an all-Apple office network. . boring as I imagine!!

iPod/iTunes is so way off this strategy, I can see the reason for the Apple Co. re-org a few months back.
 
From Macrumors: Wireless Firewire

this link:
https://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/05/20040512081929.shtml

Wireless Firewire


Wednesday May 12, 2004 08:19 AM EST
Posted by arn



The 1394 Trade Association has approved a specification which would allow the development of wireless Firewire devices.

The new Protocol Adaptation Layer (PAL) for IEEE 1394 over IEEE 802.15.3 was approved Monday. In a statement, the trade association said: ?The PAL is designed as a standard convergence layer between the 802.15.3 MAC and applications developed for wired 1394. It builds upon the 1394 infrastructure--for example, data formats, connection-management schemes, and time synchronization procedures--and takes advantage of the excellent quality of service available in 802.15.3.?
Examples of new products with the new specification include wireless connections to DVD players and hard drives from set top boxes. Prototype products are expected before the end of the year.

Apple has been an early adopter of Firewire, so adoption of this technology could be expected.
 
I think you've just managed to throw everything I fight against on these boards into one post. Hooray. :D

macumus said:
I think not...if you notice the number of posts to this thread compared to any of the stories of late (ie: Tiger screenshots & feature annocemnents, 3-4 days old now) this thread has the most (302 at last check (5 hours old)) and growing by the minute compared to only 250something for the 4 day old tiger screenshots. This is huge news and the saying goes: any press is good press

The discussion of Dashboard, Tiger, and other features are likely to involved more technical knowledge than the one-line posts about how someone wants an iMac. The post-count of a thread means absolutely nothing, other than the fact that X number of posts have been made.

Third, some say that headless is unlikely. I disagree, this is a market they need to get into. which leads me to/

Let me introduce you to a headless Macintosh

forth, wireless displays are impossible due to bandwidth limitations. as any good macrumors reader knows, apple developed firewire, and more intriguingly Wireless Firewire.Wireless Firewire yes wireless firewire. there were recent statements that the wireless firewire standard was approved by the IEEE.

You obviously have no understanding what FireWire actually is. The name applied to a transmission protocol, no the medium over which it is sent, and so what you and any number of other people are trying to imply is patently false. The "Wireless FireWire" you're talking about is 55Mbit/s 802.15.3, which isn't going to debut until some time between Q3 2004 and Q3 2005. For reference, Airport Extreme is 54Mbit/s, wired 6-pin powered FireWire 400 is 400Mbit/s, and the gigabit ethernet on modern macs is 1000Mbit/s.

There is no badnwidth there to power a monitor. The only products to even try this so far can manage text and web browsing, but no moving video. That's hardly useful.


Wi-Fi networking (2001?), hard drive mp3 player (2002), wi-fi/bluetooth standard in notebooks, first at getting bluetooth rolling too I think

Wrong, wrong, wrong, and wrong. If you're going to give Apple credit for something, at least be right about it, please.

fifth, combine wireless firewire with a detachable monitor/tablet on a dual G5 iMac (Cube?). before you say "no way", ponder this...
one G5 in the iMac base where you have massive mass storage (500GB-1TB) (you'll need this for the H.264 movies they'll be selling at iTunes Movie Store soon...the name needs some work maybe iFlix Movie Store) stereo in/out, MIDI? that would rock, video out, video in would be awesome, 8x superdrive w/ laser labeling 16x? we can hope, iPod dock built in, all the usual I/O DVI/1394a/b/USB 1&2/Ethernet/Modem all for lets say $1000-$1200 (to all the 1TB+ nay sayers out there, look at the paradigm shift Apple has manifested in the pricing of supercomputing with the Virginia Tech and ARMY systems and the cost of massive storage in the xServe RAID... they are order of magnitude less from apple).

You. are. absolutely. out. of. your. mind.

For one, the iMac isn't going to out-spec the PowerMac in features, and at least two or three things you've just said completely hammer it into the ground. The G5 is too hot to even go in a laptop at this point, so there's no way it would fit into a tablet design, and none of the smart display manufacturers use more than a 500-600mhz embedded processor for their panels. Apple doesn't offer 1TB in the PowerMacs, so there's not a chance in hell it will come to the iMac first. Above all, though... You think that Apple could build a machine like that for a grand? That's the cost of a 15" smart display that doesn't even show video when wireless!

Next you put the other G5 in the wireless firewire 17"+ tablet with less mass storage 100G+ and all the same I/O but just a DVD player (superdrive upgrade BTO) for $800 or so. also includes the wireless keyboard and mouse.

A laptop drive that's merely 80GB costs over $200, the LCD panel is a good $300-500, the G5 is probably $300, the wireless about $50 for current tech (so more like $100-150 for 802.15.3 when it comes out)... Yeah, right. The display alone costs more than the price point you're talking about.

you don't even need all the bandwidth of wireless firewire to stream H.264 video (@ 4X times DVD quality) to the monitor because the monitor has the graphics and processing available onboard to render the screen, even independent of the base unit.

Actually, you need all the bandwidth that's offered and then some. You obviously haven't looked into this at all, and while your ideas are an even more futuristic and dreamer's paradise version of things I've talked about before, this is... stupid. There's no other word for it. Clustering requires high-speed interconnects, and there's not a single wireless standard in the consumer space that could keep up to even a single wired 10/100 Ethernet channel, let along the gigabit channel in PowerMacs and Powerbooks.

Also... I think you've misunderstood the meaning of the encoding on h.264 and the associated technology. It means that video can be compressed, so that HD fits in the space of regular DVD content. That's still enough to swap current wireless tech, and possibly make DVD viewable on wireless, though it wouldn't help the rest of the system at all.

an Apple wireless firewire (wi-fw) all-in-one printer/scanner/fax/copier
wi-fw scanning...wi-fw printing...now that would be speedy.

Just stop, please. Read up on the 802 standards before you keep going liek this.

one of the WWDC poster photos states, "Mac OS X Tiger: now on Intel" what's with this and how might that play into what's going on with the iMac. How come no one else has mentioned this? That's seems like big news to me.

It's a photoshopped image, and there's about zero chance of it happening any time soon. Not only would Apple lose marketshare to any cloner out there with an x86 production line, they'd also lose developers when they found out that all the work for the older PowerPC mac APIs is now nearly useless.

Bad, bad news.
 
the pricing maths

On many non-us stores, prices show negative numbers.
An accident, of course. Too bad one can't order.

The interesting part of it is that there apparently is some
more math involved than just currency conversion and taxes.
Do we see the karma of Apple's policy on how to fool
non-us countries with extra price packages?
 
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