Me too. Having never made it past the prototype stage, Apple never built me any friendsmå¥å said:Screw the iMac G3, G4, G5. I want an iMacBOT or a MacBOT![]()
iMeowbot said:Me too. Having never made it past the prototype stage, Apple never built me any friends![]()
Michael Vance said:I called the Apple online store to ask about when the dual 2.5gig machines would ship and the guy said he didn't know anything more than what it said. Sometime in July. I called B&H and they said late July or early August. After waiting so long I'm rethinking my plan and may get a Dell dual 3.2gig machine which just had a big price reduction. Still more exprensive than the Mac but a lot faster and it's available now. Funny that, you can actually buy the stuff on the Dell online store.
More than a year after Steve Job's promise to have a dual 3gig machine and still the faster Mac computer sold today is 2gigs. Apple is pathetic.
bertagert said:Yes, I do actually. No imacs, can't get a 2.5ghz PM till end of July/early August at the soonest, can't get a new display and you can't get a ipod mini. Meaning, they don't have much to sell right now so not only has the 3rd quater gone bad, but the current quater will be bad as well. Being a business, they need to bring in money. Over the next three months they won't be bringing in what they should.
Granted mini's arent widely available like everyone would like but this past weekend i went into comp usa and they had the mini on the shelf. I picked up a blue one and they had about 10 others left. So they are becoming much more available.
thatwendigo said:Cue the 'omg teh powarbookz are coming!' and 'G4 is teh sux!' rants.
ITR 81 said:I knew something was up when they took my 15in iMac and then replaced it with 17in iMac.
tekriter said:how do you keep selling the iMacs for anywhere near list price?
MikeLaRiviere said:Another problem I have is this: people constantly refer to Apple as a "mom and pop" company, wherein Steve Jobs is the friendly owner who exerts complete control. Apple is a large, publicly-traded corporation. The fact that it does not hold "evil" status as does Microsoft does not preclude it from seeking a profit. We are all stakeholders, and the company aims to please stockholders. Steve Jobs does very well to project an "everyman" status, and as a result we feel like he designs and approves every project Apple undertakes. The fact is, however, that he has many people working under him, and that he has to answer to a number of people. We love Apple's products, but we have to realize that it too is a faceless corporation. Mr. Jobs has done a very good job of bringing a face to the company, as people in these forums affectionately refer to him as "Stevie" and "Steve-o." But let's not forget that Apple's primary aim to is make profits, not to amuse us with leaks and screenshots.
Sorry to bring everybody down, but I was getting tired of reading blind speculation and numerous apologies for Apple. Hopefully the next few weeks prove me very wrong.
cryptochrome said:So what about macworld? Any rumors about what may be introduced then? It's at the end of this month (seems like a good time to preview/push forward the new iMac).
multifinder said:Very well put. I love my Mac, but I don't have the religious fervor for Apple many Mac fans seem to have--Apple's out to make money like any other company, "changing the world" is PR. If Apple got bought by Sony tomorrow as long as they kept the Mac alive and evolving, I wouldn't cry for Apple or The Steve at all.
I think this is one of the more colossal mistakes I've seen in Apple history, up there with the Apple III--having no iMac product whatsoever for back to school shopping has to have the Board of Directors pulling their hair out. Most people who consider buying an iMac aren't dead-set on one, and without something to buy, dude, they'll just get a Dell. If chips are the reason for the delay, it looks like going from Motorola to IBM was just jumping out of the frying plan into the fire...
stephenli said:omg, is it true for this announcement in Apple store?!!! being hacked?
moosecat said:A whole generation of college freshmen will go off to school this year without an Apple because of this. And their next computer is unlikely to be an Apple as a result... And the next ...
To the extent Apple still carries disproportionate weight in the educational market, this is a serious blow to whatever is left.
This is a major, major screw-up.
Except that the G4 is hopelessly uncompetitive at the iMac price point, the iMacs could have easily been updated with new processors along with the eMacs, and the towers being all duals leaves a huge performance gap between the 1.5 G4 and the dual 1.8 G5.MikeLaRiviere said:Second, there is NOTHING to suggest that a G5 chip will make its way into September's iMacs.
What on earth are you talking about? This is the most blatant indicator I can imagine that there will be an extremely significant iMac revision. Apple says they're transitioning to an "all-new" and "next generation" iMac line, and you think that means a speed bump? If Steve unveils an iLamp at 1.5GHz in Paris, he will rightly be the laughingstock of the industry.Third, and most important, Apple does NOT indicate that the iMac will have a redesign. It uses the words "next generation." This phrase merely indicates that an upgrade is coming. While a redesign is possible, and it is something for which I greatly hope, the indicator is just not there.
I'm not apologizing for Apple at all. They clearly had a major screwup and are trying to contain the damage. But I can't see any plausible interpretation other than that a *major* update is coming.Sorry to bring everybody down, but I was getting tired of reading blind speculation and numerous apologies for Apple.
The Apple Store says it will be "announced" in September, not necesarilly shipping.appleface said:do you think they'll actually ship in september?
må¥å said:REMEMBER the TIGER OS is 64-bit so they have to move most of they hardware line to 64-bit along with software for 2005 so it burn the competition out of the arena.
MikeLaRiviere said:First, to all those who asked why the iMac didn't debut at the WWDC, realize that the WWDC is not yet over; it ends July 2, i.e., tomorrow. Perhaps there will be some sort of clarification tomorrow regarding the iMac situation.
Second, there is NOTHING to suggest that a G5 chip will make its way into September's iMacs.
Third, and most important, Apple does NOT indicate that the iMac will have a redesign. It uses the words "next generation." This phrase merely indicates that an upgrade is coming. While a redesign is possible, and it is something for which I greatly hope, the indicator is just not there.
Another problem I have is this: people constantly refer to Apple as a "mom and pop" company, wherein Steve Jobs is the friendly owner who exerts complete control. Apple is a large, publicly-traded corporation. The fact that it does not hold "evil" status as does Microsoft does not preclude it from seeking a profit. We are all stakeholders, and the company aims to please stockholders. Steve Jobs does very well to project an "everyman" status, and as a result we feel like he designs and approves every project Apple undertakes. The fact is, however, that he has many people working under him, and that he has to answer to a number of people. We love Apple's products, but we have to realize that it too is a faceless corporation. Mr. Jobs has done a very good job of bringing a face to the company, as people in these forums affectionately refer to him as "Stevie" and "Steve-o." But let's not forget that Apple's primary aim to is make profits, not to amuse us with leaks and screenshots.
Sorry to bring everybody down, but I was getting tired of reading blind speculation and numerous apologies for Apple. Hopefully the next few weeks prove me very wrong.
Just to clarify, I'm a born-again Mac user who also loves Apple. The heat must be what's making me disagreeable.
Mike LaRiviere
mikelariviere@mac.com
appleface said:the new imacs aren't out, yet; and that is disappointing.
however, it might be more embarassing if apple were to continue to produce and sell the current imacs because they are overpriced and outdated.
i'm psyched to see the new design.
do you think they'll actually ship in september?
Flyers486 said:These are interesting developments. Perhaps Apple's plans were to announce iMac G5s at WWDC as a way of generating hype around Tiger. By establishing a 64 bit consumer desktop to go along with their first "real" 64 bit opperating system, Apple could have created an effective marketing campaign. Obviously any such plans as these have been dashed, but Apple can still move stongly into the holiday buying season on the emphasis of a new iMac (should bring back color, thats when they sold) and iPod. I see the stores possibly making a profit this winter if these new products are released.
AidenShaw said:Windows XP 64-bit has been shipping for a year on Itanium, and the preview for AMD/Intel64 has been downloadable for months.
The Prescott core is 32/64-bit (although the 64-bit is not enabled in the shipping Prescott P4s).
By the time 10.4 ships, most Intel and AMD chips will be 32/64-bit and 64-bit Windows will have been shipping for many months.
Don't see the "burn the competition" here, it looks more like Apple will be late to the 64-bit party.
The HP xw4200 with 3.6 GHz 32/64-bit Intel chips and PCI Express ( http://www.hp.com/workstations/pws/xw4200/ ) is expected to ship this month.
greenmonsterman said:In a surprise move, today in Cupertino, California Apple CEO Steve Jobs held a press conference to once again backpedal on a previously made statement:
"In January, at MacWorld I stated that 2004 would be a great year for the Mac platform... due to unforseen product delays and 'the entire industry hitting the wall at 90nm' I would like to state that the 'Great year' for the mac platform will begin in 2005. Thank you for your time."
MacEyeDoc said:What was that Monte Python skit about the Cheese Shop, where they advertise 102 brands of cheese, but don't actually have any in the store?
Customer: I'd like a nice new iMac please.
Apple: Sorry, the last one's just gone out the door.
Customer: Ok, I'll just jump up to the Dual 2.5 G5
Apple: Well, you'll have to wait abit on that.
Customer: iPod mini?
Apple: Er, nope.
Customer: Apple Airport Express?
Apple: We're popping some more - not quite done yet.
Customer: Ok. I'll take one of those great looking new LCD displays.
Apple: Ummm, you see . .
Customer: New Nvidia Ultra graphics card?
Apple: Nada
Customer: Do you in fact have ANY new computer products in your store?
Apple: Let me get back to you on that . . . .
MacEyeDoc said:Customer: Apple branded PDA?
Apple: Cancelled that already . . .
Customer: 20th Anniversary Mac?
Apple: Well, we were tossing the idea around . . .
Customer: iPhone?
Apple: Not that again!
Customer: Mac OS X Tiger?
Apple: We already said NEXT year . . .
Customer: Can you in fact give a definite arrival date for any new stuff?
Apple: paris . . . imac . . .birthday . . . .