New iMac In September

[må¥å]

Here is the dilema once the iMac goes G5 then the rest of the line will follow since the end of the cirrent line of G4 seems to be 1.5. Now with the new FreeScale chips you can push the G4 brand to 2GHz if not furthur. How that would mean that with marketing you can't decrease the speed to a 1.8 GHz G5 when there is enough gap between the G5 Tower and the iMac.

However running the Pro line now at dual this would certainly mean that iMac line is going single G5 might top off at 1.8 till a rev b however that is all down the road.

That said this delay is not really a bad thing since if it a HYPED iMac G5 even at 1.8 max speed students and consumers will place orders like crazy in Sept on release that will skyrocket the stock and with a 2 month being optimistic no iMac Apple feels that the last month for the 3rd Q will spell profit and 4th Q will be ever so better.

Maybe the iMac G5 might have a detachable screen thus one can order a CRT for children or an LCD for the mature folks. In any regard it won't be headless however a detachable option doesn't mean headless since it might have a Apple designed plug I/O like the iPod so only people can buy Apple CRT for children and LCD. Different from the pro display who know some sort of DVI Apple design thing. That would also leave the eMac line dead after it reaches 1.5


Just a Concept think about it a "DETACHABLE SCREEN" not headless that people are thinking you need an Apple only display so cash is kept in the company rather than a third party vendor for monitors. This could also explain why the Displays start at 20 there is no 15/17/19. Just a guess people would be nice to have the option to replace the screen only option.

 

[~Shard~]

My biggest hope is that Apple doesn't try and redesign the whole machine, I'm very fond of the flat-panel swivel neck design. I hope they find a way to sell the new(er) iMac at a cheaper price, the main reason the iMac G4 sold so poorly was that it was too much (money) for too little (technology).

Don't make up your mind just yet - I'm sure there were many people who would have said the same thing about the G3 iMac when it was revealed that a G4 iMac would be coming. Wait until you see the new form factor, then decide. Grant it, the current design is excellent, but who know what else Apple will come up with to one-up it!

I disagree about the price though. In fact, I would welcome the iMac to be a slightly more expensive if it means it becomes a true prosumer, mid-level machine, notcieably better than the eMac and a good midpoint bewteen the eMac and PowerMac. As I said in an earlier thread, the gap between iMacs and PowerMacs is too great right now and there needs to be more balance. If Apple can release a completely revamped iMac with a G5 and several other upgrades for the same price, excellent. but I wouldn't be surprised to see them coming out slightly more expensive, especially if the monitor is still included as part of the package.

 

[maxterpiece]

This doesn't sound like good news to me. It sounds like Apple is in trouble. They have no real computer offer between $1000 and $2000 for the next months. If you consider the fact that the iMac was very old and has been an even worse purchase ever since the eMac got upgraded, Apple will have no good offer between $1000 and $2000 for almost half a year!

They still have the iBook - the iMac sucked anyway... way way way overpriced. I don't know any students who have this most recent generation of imacs, but I know at least 6 or 7 ibook owners... heck you can even get a 12" powerbook in that range.

 

[MacFan25]

Don't make up your mind just yet - I'm sure there were many people who would have said the same thing about the G3 iMac when it was revealed that a G4 iMac would be coming. Wait until you see the new form factor, then decide. Grant it, the current design is excellent, but who know what else Apple will come up with to one-up it!

I disagree about the price though. In fact, I would welcome the iMac to be a slightly more expensive if it means it becomes a true prosumer, mid-level machine, notcieably better than the eMac and a good midpoint bewteen the eMac and PowerMac. As I said in an earlier thread, the gap between iMacs and PowerMacs is too great right now and there needs to be more balance. If Apple can release a completely revamped iMac with a G5 and several other upgrades for the same price, excellent. but I wouldn't be surprised to see them coming out slightly more expensive, especially if the monitor is still included as part of the package.

I agree that it should be a priority for Apple, at this point, to make sure that the iMac fits in well with the rest of Apple's line. Right now, the PowerMacs are extremely powerful, but the eMacs are almost as nice as the iMacs (minus the form factor, of course). Apple definitley does need a mid-grade machine, and before the PowerMac G5, the iMac was mid-grade when compared to the PowerMac G4. Once they put a G5 in the iMac, if the prices stay about the same, then it will be a pretty good value for someone who wants a little power, but is not a professional.

I really like the current design of the iMac, but I'm confident that Apple can come up with something even better.

 

[joeboy_45101]

Maybe the iMac G5 might have a detachable screen thus one can order a CRT for children or an LCD for the mature folks. In any regard it won't be headless however a detachable option doesn't mean headless since it might have a Apple designed plug I/O like the iPod so only people can buy Apple CRT for children and LCD. Different from the pro display who know some sort of DVI Apple design thing. That would also leave the eMac line dead after it reaches 1.5


Just a Concept think about it a "DETACHABLE SCREEN" not headless that people are thinking you need an Apple only display so cash is kept in the company rather than a third party vendor for monitors. This could also explain why the Displays start at 20 there is no 15/17/19. Just a guess people would be nice to have the option to replace the screen only option.

Refer to some of my posts prior to WWDC where I outline the idea of having an iMac with detachable screen that works with an airport connection to communicate the display with the iMac's body. A portable desktop system.

 

[daveg5]

Here is the dilema once the iMac goes G5 then the rest of the line will follow since the end of the cirrent line of G4 seems to be 1.5. Now with the new FreeScale chips you can push the G4 brand to 2GHz if not furthur. How that would mean that with marketing you can't decrease the speed to a 1.8 GHz G5 when there is enough gap between the G5 Tower and the iMac.

However running the Pro line now at dual this would certainly mean that iMac line is going single G5 might top off at 1.8 till a rev b however that is all down the road.

That said this delay is not really a bad thing since if it a HYPED iMac G5 even at 1.8 max speed students and consumers will place orders like crazy in Sept on release that will skyrocket the stock and with a 2 month being optimistic no iMac Apple feels that the last month for the 3rd Q will spell profit and 4th Q will be ever so better.

Maybe the iMac G5 might have a detachable screen thus one can order a CRT for children or an LCD for the mature folks. In any regard it won't be headless however a detachable option doesn't mean headless since it might have a Apple designed plug I/O like the iPod so only people can buy Apple CRT for children and LCD. Different from the pro display who know some sort of DVI Apple design thing. That would also leave the eMac line dead after it reaches 1.5


Just a Concept think about it a "DETACHABLE SCREEN" not headless that people are thinking you need an Apple only display so cash is kept in the company rather than a third party vendor for monitors. This could also explain why the Displays start at 20 there is no 15/17/19. Just a guess people would be nice to have the option to replace the screen only option.

there are still alot of grown folks that prefer a CRT, for a variety of reasons, and there is nothing wrong with that, just look at emac sales, although price has something to do with that.
Detachable displays sound great, pivoting sounds good too, i predict 15.2 and 17" widescreen, or none and just a dvi out to cover all bases.
single 1.8-2.0 and 2.5 G5,s and 4 ram slot a must for 64 bit must be installed in pairs, and upgradeable graphics card and a pc card slot.
Anyone with a monitor at home can use that when they buy the imac at $999 1.8 G5 system. 15.2 Apple screen $299- 17" Apple LCD $499, both pivotable and with special articulating arm available.

 

[iGary]

Care to elaborate?

Headless iMacs, 800.00 iMacs, detachable head iMacs, Apple going out of business with no products to sell drama, Apple Armageddon = and .

 

[ruud]

Refer to some of my posts prior to WWDC where I outline the idea of having an iMac with detachable screen that works with an airport connection to communicate the display with the iMac's body. A portable desktop system.

airport (even extreme) doesn't even come close to having enough bandwidth to make that possible.

 

[må¥å]

Refer to some of my posts prior to WWDC where I outline the idea of having an iMac with detachable screen that works with an airport connection to communicate the display with the iMac's body. A portable desktop system.

WiFi might not fit the solution since it has limitations as stated in previous posts. Plus you will need a battery for the screen and with WiFi lets IGNORE the limitations with video on WiFi and editing and think that it will cut to a degree into laptop sales.

Wrongfully applied that some mature people don't prefer CRT's. This option can eliminate the eMac line one factory can produce the iMac and you have a choice if you want a CRT or LCD considering the eMac uses CRT since Steve stated that children poke at the screen. This way you can upgrade the screen to whatever size you want.

 

[HyperX]

One things about headless mac

Apple is not, will not, produce any more 15" LCD's for consumer systems. 15.2" for Powerbook is pretty much all you will see.. Expect Pretty much 17" and 20" as the only 2 flavors of Imac. I tend to think they will not do a "Headless" Imac (even though I think it is a good buisness move to make such a product). Look for a Pizza Box though. Something that leans back on itself or can be attached to the wall. Bluetooth Keyboard and mouse means that the wont be any pesky wires on yur desktop. I know in my heart this is the Road Steve wants to go down.

Someone I get a nagging feeling though we could seee 1.5 G4 in september. If so, YOUCH! I forsee apple stock falling so Steve will NEED to do something before this July is up or hurt destroying Revenue for the Quarter!

 

[~Shard~]

Headless iMacs, 800.00 iMacs, detachable head iMacs, Apple going out of business with no products to sell drama, Apple Armageddon = and .

Gotcha. I see where you're coming from.

 

[iGary]

"hurt destroying Revenue for the Quarter!"

 

[iGary]

"an iMac with detachable screen that works with an airport connection to communicate the display with the iMac's body"

 

[må¥å]

airport (even extreme) doesn't even come close to having enough bandwidth to make that possible.

I said corded CRT or LCD monitor not WiFi. I know the limitations with WiFi.

Headless iMac is pretty much similar to detachable iMac screen. Headless means no screen included with iMac package detachable iMac means screen included however can be upgraded to an Apple only display sort of like ADC except Apple DVI with some extra extension to the plus so you have to buy Apple only display unless the I/O is licensed.

That makes money not lose money.

 

[iGary]

" can't argue with you here, I hope Apple's learned a lesson from all of this:
DON'T PREVIEW CRAP WHEN IT WON'T BE AVAILABLE FOR MONTHS!"

 

[MacFan25]

I haven't really read too much of this thread, but has there been any talk of possibly a larger display for the iMac? They added the 20-inch iMac last year, but now with Apple making a 30-inch display, I can see how some may speculate about a 20+" iMac. But I don't really see it coming, as most of the people buying an iMac probably won't need more than 20", and it may just draw more people to buy an iMac G5 with a larger display instead of a PowerMac.

 

[macumus]

Apple Rules - You all underestimate the power of Steve's reality distortion field

from: http://www.apple-history.nl/support_files/intro.html
Apple's history has been a rocky one, and there have been many ups and downs since the company started in Steve Jobs' bedroom (and later garage). But there is an underlying theme in the history of Apple: innovation. Apple computer has had more industry firsts than any other personal computer company in the world, and it is this innovation that has always set Apple apart from the norm.

the quicktake 100 was the first digital camera (for the consumer market at least)

wi-fi is standard on the entire powerbook line, so is bluethooth,
wi-fi is also standard on the high end iBook
look for wi-fi to be standard on all new iMacs, maybe bluetooth as well, PowerMac will be left with the option as some pro customers wouldn't want that standard
apple was first to ship 802.11b capable consumer PC's. period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

whether Apple was first to ship bluetooth computers I don't know, probably not, but they have pushed the adoption of the technology forward, based on their forward looking offerings in the area. one of my local phone companies told me that "bluetooth didn't catch on" and they don't know of any phones that support it coming their way soon. so I went out and bought a SonyEricssonT616, from the competitors. Now I can remote control my computer over bluetooth, too bad this didn't catch on. Automatically pauses iTunes when a call comes in...awesome!


people keep saying that wireless displays are 2-3years out at best. What I suggested was not a "dumb" display, rather it is a tablet "computer", streaming video (at least equal to TV quality) will happen during the next 12 months. Apple will innovate and lead the industry in this. they will be selling downloadable movies on the web sooner than you think. A year ago you same people would have told me that 64bit was 2-3years out. And you would have insisted that a 10TeraFlop supercomputer would cost $100,000,000 plus, but today it costs under ten!

Airport Express only supports audio and not video because the video version will be a totally different product. That way you buy only the capabilities you need. look for cheaper version that only supports audio with no USB or Ethernet ports. $50/stereo to spread the music around your environment.


at least those are my rational opinions
you may call it irrational, but I'm here to THINK DIFFERENT!

 

[m.r.m.]

the deciding factor whether the new imac will do well or not is simply the price. an apple consumer computer has to be able to stand up against a pc. now i don't mean the cheapest pc one can find, i mean a comparable pc.

 

[macumus]

It's so true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Apple computer has had more industry firsts than any other personal computer company in the world

It's so true...someone do the research. I've read an article about they first before but can't seem to find it now.

 

[HyperX]

Apple has had alot of industry first.. but alot alot of first MISTAKES too..

Let's be honost.. PCI-X instead of PCI Express is a HUGE mistake and is going to leave alot of Powermac Users growling in a year or 2.

Apple has been inovating and it comes at a cost. This Imac fiasco is just a new round of mistakes. Apple will survive though (well Microsoft <Bill Gates> Bailed them out Last time, Maybe Dell or Gateway this time? Or even... SONY... Haha.. funny I am!)

Edit: I just realized... this is Like Longhorn.. Look at our shiney technology.. You will have it tommorow.. errrr.. next week... This year... Next 2 or 3 years.. This decade WE PROMISE!

 

[IJ Reilly]

Two things here don't make any sense to me:

1. According to the news stores, Apple has "delayed" releasing a product they hadn't even announced. How is this possible?

2. Apparently Apple sold through their inventory of G4 iMacs sooner than they anticipated. How will this have a negative impact on their bottom line?

 

[rendezvouscp]

Two things here don't make any sense to me:

1. According to the news stores, Apple has "delayed" releasing a product they hadn't even announced. How is this possible?

2. Apparently Apple sold through their inventory of G4 iMacs sooner than they anticipated. How will this have a negative impact on their bottom line?

1. They've delayed announcing and releasing at the same time. In a way, they've kinda announced the new iMac, just not really.

2. People in the price range will be looking for other solutions now, but I doubt that if someone was looking at Apple, they would change their mind just because of this.
–Chase

 

[macumus]

Apple firsts

isn't Apple still the first (and only) company to ship VideoConferencing standard on every computer they sell.

The video quality that was being streamed over the internet for the three way video conference (in the keynote) looks good enough for the tablet that I propose. and that was three way over the internet (a local network is even faster) (yeah, yeah, I'm sure Phil was on the local network at WWDC but not the other two) if a laptop can do it so can a tablet (tablet = simply a notebook with no hinge for the touch-screen and no keyboard---you see I'll input with my voice and on screen buttons, why else develop VoiceOver?)

 

[HyperX]

Two things here don't make any sense to me:

1. According to the news stores, Apple has "delayed" releasing a product they hadn't even announced. How is this possible?

2. Apparently Apple sold through their inventory of G4 iMacs sooner than they anticipated. How will this have a negative impact on their bottom line?

1) It was suppose to be ready for an annoncment at WWDC but wasn't. Opps.

2) Imagine your a consumer buying a car. You goto your local store to buy a sedan. But they are not selling Sedans. They are out of sedans for 3 months maybe more. The comany will annonce new sedans In the next 3 months, till then they dont even know what colors they may be. He offers you an EconoBox or a SuperSized SUV. Maybe a MiniVan or Sports Car. Do you buy what they have (You need a sedan, and want a sedan. It may work but you will hate it everday you use it)? Wait for what may come out from this dealer (Know they are great cars just a bit more expensive and you really want a car now, you would even wait amonth but 3 and no Promise of it will be a V4 or V6 <There is no V5>)? Keep the Car you currently have (Which you REALLY hate cause it's slow and needs repairs)? Or go across the street to your Local American Dealership (It's a piece of **** but the price is right.. cash rebates and good financing. Better then nothing right)?

Hope that helps.

 

[CholEoptera36]

Regarding the speed of these two chips, I have to say that I've seen benchmarks that give both the upper hand.

However, having used both for long periods of time, I've got to say that the G5 KILLS the AMD64 3200+. The chips are surely comparable, but the G5 runs clean code, while the AMD spends a great portion of it's clock cycle running useless, garbled, piled on, old code.

So, the G5 absolutely spanks the AMD in responsiveness, which is my personal expectation for a new 64-bit processor. AMD's don't suck, their OS does.

Agreed the OS does have something to do with it, or perhaps the OS they choose to focus the processors performance on. Have you ever run the chip on Linux? And the 3200+ is an okay processor but it's very outdated. The new AMD FX nearly doubles the performance of that chip, you should look into upgrading. 3200+ is still like all the other single channel 740 CPU's out there, the performance is very limmited in comparison to the FX chips.