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As said a few times here, I'd have to say the iMac was probably on the dockett for WWDC, or as a hopeful maybe a month out, but ouch, something happened, something not too good in the planning phase. I'd have to say it probably IS in fact them trying to shoehorn a G5 into the thing, after all, if it was a G4 they'd have had it and Ive hasn't been behind on one design project to date, in fact he's usually ahead of Jobs with ideas (which Jobs shoots a lot down). How bizarre that Apple said that, maybe we're all asleep dreaming this??!?
 
Expalin this one...

Back when the FP iMac was introduced, I remember that Steve-o seemed to say that mounting the CPU vertically on the back of the monitor (like Gateway) was the equivalent of opening the gates of hell. (Slower optical drive speed, etc).

If they come out with a vertically mounted CPU...I want to see him 'splain his way out of that one.... :)
 
moosecat said:
A whole generation of college freshmen will go off to school this year without an Apple because of this. And their next computer is unlikely to be an Apple as a result... And the next ...

To the extent Apple still carries disproportionate weight in the educational market, this is a serious blow to whatever is left.

This is a major, major screw-up.


What about the eMac?
They are decent computes
 
moosecat said:
A whole generation of college freshmen will go off to school this year without an Apple because of this. And their next computer is unlikely to be an Apple as a result... And the next ...

To the extent Apple still carries disproportionate weight in the educational market, this is a serious blow to whatever is left.

This is a major, major screw-up.

Well said. This is a total disaster for apple.. I can't believe they have let this happen.

They have had way too long for them to redesign it so I think they need a few warning shots across their bow. How the hell is Apple gonna gain market-share (which regardless of what most think here, is getting exceeding bad. Developers are not coming to the platform like they could be) with no good computers to sell :S?
 
Michael Vance said:
I called the Apple online store to ask about when the dual 2.5gig machines would ship and the guy said he didn't know anything more than what it said. Sometime in July. I called B&H and they said late July or early August. After waiting so long I'm rethinking my plan and may get a Dell dual 3.2gig machine which just had a big price reduction. Still more exprensive than the Mac but a lot faster and it's available now. Funny that, you can actually buy the stuff on the Dell online store.

More than a year after Steve Job's promise to have a dual 3gig machine and still the faster Mac computer sold today is 2gigs. Apple is pathetic.

Go buy one of those imitation Dull pieces of crap then. You're wrong, the 2.5 would spank the Dull in almost all categories, my 2.0 DP bests the 3.0 Dull which there is also one in my office in almost everything except Flash exporting. Now troll, go please take your fuzzy incorrect logic and kindly go away and eff yourself.
 
Darn, I was thinking that the changes under the hood of the new DP 1.8 signaled the possiblity of a new consumer Mac.

Now I don't know what to think, guess I'll have to see some more leaks.

Hopefully this Apple leak means that IBM is finally starting to ship the 970FXs in bulk.
 
Photorun said:
Go buy one of those imitation Dull pieces of crap then. You're wrong, the 2.5 would spank the Dull in almost all categories, my 2.0 DP bests the 3.0 Dull which there is also one in my office in almost everything except Flash exporting. Now troll, go please take your fuzzy incorrect logic and kindly go away and eff yourself.

Of course it does, it's dual-CPU. But a lot of people don't need the power that dual 2.5gig provides - a single 3.6ghz is quite good for most people.
 
aldo said:
Most dorm rooms are better with an LCD monitor than a CRT. Much more space and less heat.

True but people are making out there is nothing for inside the dorm.
the eMac Should go in, then sell the emac on eBay in Sept. and buy the new iMac
 
aldo said:
Of course it does, it's dual-CPU. But a lot of people don't need the power that dual 2.5gig provides - a single 3.6ghz is quite good for most people.

But Michael Vance was saying that the Dell was faster. So Photorun was just correcting him.
 
and if you are CDW or MacMall...

how do you keep selling the iMacs for anywhere near list price?
 
moosecat said:
A whole generation of college freshmen will go off to school this year without an Apple because of this. And their next computer is unlikely to be an Apple as a result... And the next ...

To the extent Apple still carries disproportionate weight in the educational market, this is a serious blow to whatever is left.

This is a major, major screw-up.

I think that's a bit harsh. It's not like iBooks and eMacs aren't still available to any school or student that wants one. Not to mention they're both less expensive as well. This event won't kill education sales nearly as much as you think.
 
AliensAreFuzzy said:
But Michael Vance was saying that the Dell was faster. So Photorun was just correcting him.

Ah yes. Sorry, I screwed up on that one. But, seriously, the Dell will be far faster at gaming assuming it has a capable graphics card. So I'm somewhat reedeemed :)
 
Cnn.com take on education sales

http://money.cnn.com/2004/07/01/technology/apple.reut/index.htm

"Analysts said that Apple shouldn't be hurt by the lack of an iMac for the back-to-school shopping season, which is important for the company, because it has emphasized other models for the education market.

In the education market, Apple has historically emphasized its iBook notebook PC and the eMac desktop machine rather than the iMac computer..."
 
appleguy said:
True but people are making out there is nothing for inside the dorm.
the eMac Should go in, then sell the emac on eBay in Sept. and buy the new iMac

Uh, most people don't buy computers to sell a month later on eBay. Are you seriously suggesting the million-odd freshman all buy emacs and then put them on ebay :confused: . Most people want one computer that they take with them all the way through college.

Only people on here would consider buying a computer to sell again a few weeks later.
 
aldo said:
Ah yes. Sorry, I screwed up on that one. But, seriously, the Dell will be far faster at gaming assuming it has a capable graphics card. So I'm somewhat reedeemed :)

Unless that 2.5 G5 had the 6800 ultra. Then the G5 might give it a run for it's money. (for available games obviously. The Dell beats the G5 in selection)
 
The MacRumors' Buyher's Guide should say:

Recommendation: Can't Buy - Updates soon
instead of
Recommendation: Don't Buy - Updates soon
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CubaTBird said:
you will still see a g4 in the imac come september, just beefed up. For example, 1ghz, 1.2 ghz, and 1.5 ghz ~ simlar to those found in the powerbook g4's. :eek:

That won't happen. Just G4 speedbumps they could have roll out alongside the eMac/iBook/Powerbook upgrades. It must be something that makes problems. If it's really still the same old G4 there must be some other huge advantage.
I would love to have a decent graphics card and at least a G5 light or G5 mobile from Freescale. Or maybe even a G4+ (fs) with a 200 Mhz DDR FSB, announced as 400 Mhz FSB.
I guess if it's a G5, then it will be an aliminum case too, to visualize the new generation.
But time will tell.. that will be an exciting keynote at Mac Expo in Paris. (31 Aug)
 
rjfiske said:
http://money.cnn.com/2004/07/01/technology/apple.reut/index.htm

"Analysts said that Apple shouldn't be hurt by the lack of an iMac for the back-to-school shopping season, which is important for the company, because it has emphasized other models for the education market.

In the education market, Apple has historically emphasized its iBook notebook PC and the eMac desktop machine rather than the iMac computer..."

Well I do agree with that somewhat, but I still think that this is not a good thing for education sales. The current imac is a POS though, so really I'm sure most people would of chose the emac over it anyway. But Apple won't be happy at not getting the rich middle class college students dollars this season for the most overpriced product in the lineup.
 
rjfiske said:
http://money.cnn.com/2004/07/01/technology/apple.reut/index.htm

"Analysts said that Apple shouldn't be hurt by the lack of an iMac for the back-to-school shopping season, which is important for the company, because it has emphasized other models for the education market.

In the education market, Apple has historically emphasized its iBook notebook PC and the eMac desktop machine rather than the iMac computer..."

I agree wholeheartedly and this basically says the same thing I was pointing out earlier. All of the big contracts with schools that you hear about these days are involving iBooks anyway, not iMacs. iMacs haven't been a huge player in schools since the CRT G3 models disappeared almost 2 years ago. The eMac replaced those anyway, not the FP iMac. And in the past year or so, the iBook is now as big a player as the eMac is in that market if not more so.
 
rdowns said:
...were I an Apple board member, Steve would be flying coach on his private jet until this is worked out.
Steve would like you to know that his private jet already sports Coach leather seats, but thanks you for your suggestion and applauds your fine taste!
 
aldo said:
Well I do agree with that somewhat, but I still think that this is not a good thing for education sales. The current imac is a POS though, so really I'm sure most people would of chose the emac over it anyway. But Apple won't be happy at not getting the rich middle class college students dollars this season for the most overpriced product in the lineup.

I would think if they had that kind of money, they'd spring for a 12" or 15" PowerBook before spending the same on a 17" or 20" iMac anyway. Basically half of Apple's sales are notebooks these days anyway. The desktop isn't nearly the player it was even a couple of years ago, so the temporary loss of the iMac won't be that big of a deal.
 
Photorun said:
Go buy one of those imitation Dull pieces of crap then. You're wrong, the 2.5 would spank the Dull in almost all categories, my 2.0 DP bests the 3.0 Dull which there is also one in my office in almost everything except Flash exporting. Now troll, go please take your fuzzy incorrect logic and kindly go away and eff yourself.

It's not true I use both machines for high end video and 3D production. I know what both can do. But no matter. I'm sure if I forgo my plan to buy a Mac and get a Dell instead, you'll insist it's a victory for Apple. That at least is predictable enough.
 
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