Not. A. Chance. Apple would be raked over the coals if they stopped selling iMacs for 2 months, then came back with a whopping 20% speed increase. It's remotely possible they'll have a G4 successor from Freescale, but with Tiger's focus on 64-bit computing it will almost certainly be a G5.CubaTBird said:
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Lancetx said:
I think there are two "education" markets, and the Reuters article quoted above (or the unnamed "analysts") confuse them. There is (1) the market for large purchases by institutions; and (2) the market for individual purchases by students.
I agree that this error probably wouldn't have much effect on (1), because the Apple segment of that market is dominated by eMac and iBook sales, and because it operates on a different schedule. But of course it will have an effect on (2). Maybe I exaggerated a little in saying that a "whole generation" of students will go Apple-less, but I still think there will be a significant number of back-to-school shoppers who will look to PCs when they can't find a small-footprint LCD desktop from Apple.
dongmin
macrumors 68000
isgoed said:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
No pink iMacs please. Please. Pink is OK for a hand-held consumer device, NOT for a desktop machine with a 20" monitor.
What we know:
-The iMac will have a G5. Why else would it require a complete redesign?
-The iMac will retain its all-in-one form factor. The iMac is identified with such a design. If they were doing something competely different, like a Cube, they wouldn't be calling it an iMac. Sorry for all those pizza box fans out there.
-Appleinsider is total crap. Thinksecret again proved to be right. Regardless of what the reason was, they called 'no iMac at WWDC' and they were right. By two plus months!
You guys know what's funny: under http://www.apple.com/hardware/, it still says "New iMacs." Ha ha they haven't been updated in about 9 months and they're now officially discontinued!
joeboy_45101
macrumors 6502
Okay my friends it's time, and when I say it's time I mean it's TIME. The Apocalypse is upon us, and this is a clear sign. Apple must know something and is preparing to go out in a bang! Now if you don't mind I'm going to go read to the blind girl, hopefully I can rack up some good karma points. 😉
Chip NoVaMac
macrumors G3
lem0nayde said:
Actually if the rumors about the new iMac G5, it was to have a "hanging display" on the pizza box cpu. So it would be possible to use the new displays on it, as well at the third party VESA compatible monitors.
This is really really surprising. I was expecting to see that title, but not that info. This is really interesting. Wow. The iMacs are going to have G5's!
Chase
Chase
The Paris Expo starts August 31. No mention of a keynote yet that I can see. You have to believe that Apple is being very conservative with this information release. Possibly Steve will announce them 8/31 for immediate delivery?
dongmin said:
Actually, the only reason Thinksecret was "right" was because Apple screwed up.
By all indications, new iMacs were going to be introduced at WWDC. Apple itself says that they hoped to have new iMacs available when the current supply of G4 iMacs ran out in a few weeks. That would've put the introduction of the new iMac during WWDC (if the new iMac was supposed to have shipped in a few weeks).
neutrino23 said:
Uh there is. I have already registered for it at http://www.apple-expo.com/uk/keynote/. My first keynote speech infact 😀
joeboy_45101
macrumors 6502
I hope there's a keynote and Steve explains EVERYTHING. We all know why the the PowerMacs didn't get to 3Ghz, and it's completely understandable. 2.5 Ghz is nothing to spit at. Maybe the new(er) iMacs were cooking people alive or something. But look on the bright side, if Apple can get a G5 into the small (I assume) enclosure of a iMac then they are one big step closer to getting it into the PowerBook. 😀
centauratlas
macrumors 68020
I am sure Steve J is REALLY chewing someone out right about now. Talk about a major f up, that is 2 months (16.67%!!!) of their selling time for the iMac. PLUS all the people who want one for school which starts in mid to late August. That is the only reasonable reason to announce that now letting people know when it will be available.
thatwendigo
macrumors 6502a
lem0nayde said:
The "speed of the G5" comes from a lot more than just the chip, some of which is going to cost you pretty heftily no matter what else is cut. Even removing a processor and keeping it to singles isn't going to cut the price down anywhere too close to the eMac because, well, that peky economy of scale is going to get you every time. Yes, a lot of PC manufacturers are moving forward with new technologies and labeling them as being reltiavely cheap - at the expense of their own business, of course. I've yet to see any headlines proclaiming that the profit-starved me-too companies are climbing out of their losses.
A G5 iMac won't be much cheaper without some kind of behind-the-scenes finagling, even without an LCD. Apple couldn't even make the far less technologically advanced G4 eMac into a sub-$700 machine. How in the world is it going to happen with more expensive components?
Steve's said this isn't happening soon, and the TV (unless it's HD quality) is a TERRIBLE monitor. Game consoles run at ridiculously low resolutions, which is why they can be speedy and pretty on worse hardware. That's the only reason. You don't want to be web browsing or trying to type on a 640x480 screen at fifteen or more feet of distance, do you? Talk about blurry!
They already are. 🙄
New iMac in September
I can only see one explanation for Apple posting this. They have something very very big to announce in September, they must be confident that they have something that will have as big an impact as the introduction of the original bondi blue iMac. It's just bad business otherwise to annouce that what is there main line will be unavialble for two months, they must know that what will come in September will be so big that it will compensate for the next two months of no iMacs.
Just imagine that you are a company that is confident of releasing a product in two months time, that will have the impact of the original iMac or the iPod, the lack or revenue from iMac sales until Septemer wouldn't matter in the long run.
Thats the only explanation i can believe in for this message on the Apple store, i can't believe Apple would mess up after what they have done in the last few years, i think they know what they are doing.
I can only see one explanation for Apple posting this. They have something very very big to announce in September, they must be confident that they have something that will have as big an impact as the introduction of the original bondi blue iMac. It's just bad business otherwise to annouce that what is there main line will be unavialble for two months, they must know that what will come in September will be so big that it will compensate for the next two months of no iMacs.
Just imagine that you are a company that is confident of releasing a product in two months time, that will have the impact of the original iMac or the iPod, the lack or revenue from iMac sales until Septemer wouldn't matter in the long run.
Thats the only explanation i can believe in for this message on the Apple store, i can't believe Apple would mess up after what they have done in the last few years, i think they know what they are doing.
Dreadnought
macrumors 68020
The problem with the new Imac has to be a heat problem, more then they have expected. How would Apple get sooo much heat out of such a small box and still keep it silent? They will have to make some sort of fluid cooling system. There was an article/rumor a while back that Apple was talking with some company that had developed a new kind of liquid cooling system, and I am not talking about the one in the new PM! This one could be built in laptops. The fluid wasn't waterbased, but something new, more like a paste. Don't know the exact things anymore.
Anyway, IBM has a problem with producing enough fast cpu's, therefore the "rejects" will run at a lower clockspeeds. So there are probably enough chips, so it has to be a heatproblem! The same was with the Xserve (why isn't that one clocked any higher then 2.0? That model can make noise!!) and with the new PM's. Think about it and add up all the previous rumors, it all makes sense. My prediction is an entry model with a G5 1.4, the mid a 1.6 and the high end 1.8. In that way there is also enough speed difference between a PM and an iMac.
Anyway, IBM has a problem with producing enough fast cpu's, therefore the "rejects" will run at a lower clockspeeds. So there are probably enough chips, so it has to be a heatproblem! The same was with the Xserve (why isn't that one clocked any higher then 2.0? That model can make noise!!) and with the new PM's. Think about it and add up all the previous rumors, it all makes sense. My prediction is an entry model with a G5 1.4, the mid a 1.6 and the high end 1.8. In that way there is also enough speed difference between a PM and an iMac.
joeboy_45101
macrumors 6502
Check out Cnet's News Page
News.com.com has a article about this today. They quote Apple,"We planned to have our next-generation iMac ready by the time the inventory of current iMacs runs out in the next few weeks, but our planning was obviously less than perfect." So AppleInsider and ThinkSecret were both correct. It seems Apple was hoping to run out of the old iMacs in time for WWDC, but when they didn't they couldn't introduce the new one. The article continues on about how Apple can't start up production on the G4 iMac because they wouldn't be able to get hold of the custom core logic chip. 🙂
News.com.com has a article about this today. They quote Apple,"We planned to have our next-generation iMac ready by the time the inventory of current iMacs runs out in the next few weeks, but our planning was obviously less than perfect." So AppleInsider and ThinkSecret were both correct. It seems Apple was hoping to run out of the old iMacs in time for WWDC, but when they didn't they couldn't introduce the new one. The article continues on about how Apple can't start up production on the G4 iMac because they wouldn't be able to get hold of the custom core logic chip. 🙂
I'm ready
I'm ready for another digital camera incident at a Keynote...
Too bad the g5 iMac didn't come "up" from stage floor when he asked for the 30" monitor to come up.
Or I want the thing to spin so fast, it knocks the product off the stage. It would be bad for the product, but hi-frickin'-larious. ('specially Steve's reaction) 😀
I'm ready for another digital camera incident at a Keynote...
Too bad the g5 iMac didn't come "up" from stage floor when he asked for the 30" monitor to come up.
Or I want the thing to spin so fast, it knocks the product off the stage. It would be bad for the product, but hi-frickin'-larious. ('specially Steve's reaction) 😀
Maybe a G4 still?
As someone who works with Macs, this update is long overdue. Its almost impossible to sell someone an iMac now. Frankly, if Apple had its stuff together they would have had a new iMac long before now. The last upgrade to the eMac made it almost impossible to sell an iMac.
I want to throw this out though: maybe the iMac will continue to be a G4. I kind of hope so actually. A redesigned iMac with a G5 is no big deal.Especially if the price goes up. Does anyone really think IBM has enough G5 chips to sell in iMac volumes AND still start at 1299?
I think there are better design and pricing options if they stick with a G4. If Apple is just planning to make a really pretty new box with a G5 in it, I wouldn't bother. Its not worth the effort and cost. Even to justify the current pricing structure (1299-2199), the design would have to be amazing and functional beyond what we have seen before. Something like the 'detachable tablet' idea that has been bandied about. A display that can be detached and communicates with the base via wifi maybe?
Anyway, if its just a new design with a G5 I don't believe sales will be helped at all (other than a short early-adopter burst). And they need help: the iMac has been Apple's lousiest seller for quite a while now.
As someone who works with Macs, this update is long overdue. Its almost impossible to sell someone an iMac now. Frankly, if Apple had its stuff together they would have had a new iMac long before now. The last upgrade to the eMac made it almost impossible to sell an iMac.
I want to throw this out though: maybe the iMac will continue to be a G4. I kind of hope so actually. A redesigned iMac with a G5 is no big deal.Especially if the price goes up. Does anyone really think IBM has enough G5 chips to sell in iMac volumes AND still start at 1299?
I think there are better design and pricing options if they stick with a G4. If Apple is just planning to make a really pretty new box with a G5 in it, I wouldn't bother. Its not worth the effort and cost. Even to justify the current pricing structure (1299-2199), the design would have to be amazing and functional beyond what we have seen before. Something like the 'detachable tablet' idea that has been bandied about. A display that can be detached and communicates with the base via wifi maybe?
Anyway, if its just a new design with a G5 I don't believe sales will be helped at all (other than a short early-adopter burst). And they need help: the iMac has been Apple's lousiest seller for quite a while now.
Freg3000
macrumors 68000
dongmin said:
AppleInsider is not total crap. As Mac-er said, it seems as though everything was ready for iMacs to be released earlier this week at WWDC, suggesting that AI was right. Also, TS's assertion that Apple was laughing is a little strange, since now we fully expect a new iMac to appear in less than 2 months at the Paris Expo Keynote on August 31st.
If MacRumors were to say "Apple ready to release new iBooks as early as tomorrow," but then something happens at the last minute which moves the announcement back one day...was MacRumros wrong? No. Apple just changed the date at the last minute. It happens all the time.
I can't find the quote right now, but I think Arn is on the record as saying that there are only three reliable rumors sites left: MacRumors, ThinkSecret, and AppleInsider.