New iMac Is Bizarre

[Mike Boreham]

Did you say the same the last 13 years, when there were only black bezels to choose from?

Of course not as I like black bezels but I would still have said there should be a choice for people who wanted white bezels.

 

[Cheffy Dave]

I'm sorry you're so upset about them. I think they're nice. I guess you'd be better off with a Mac Mini and your own choice of monitor. Isn't it great we have choices?

P.S. The iMac is a not a "pro" device.

P.P.S. I don't think people have a problem with people being critical of Apple here. The issue is the language is so extreme in many posts (hideous, horrendous, terrible, horrible, crap, bizarre, embarrassing, pathetic, etc.) that it sort of loses its credibility because it comes across as simply a rant, not constructive, even-keeled criticism. You have some valid points, but they get overshadowed by the extreme language.

Well put!

 

[usagora]

It seems to me that people use the sad and angry faces as placeholders for the dislike/disagree button, since MacRumors decided people can't take a thumbs-down on the discussion forums.

Yeah I always thought that was strange why the thumbs down reaction is not an option on all threads. Still is funny to see an "angry" emoji about pointing out a simple fact, and "disagree/thumbs down" would be funny too. It's like saying "orange is not a primary color" and people are like 👎 LOL!!!

 

[Guscat]

This is a forum where we talk about Apple products. If you have an issue with people being critical about Apple products, then it's you with the issue, not me.

So, in other words you're free to criticize Apple products but no one is free to disagree with you or criticize you?

I have always found this line of reasoning to be both bizarre and very funny. You are free to have your opinion of Apple product and other people are free to have their opinion of you. If you have an issue with people being critical of you, then i suggest you're the one with the issue and maybe you should just stay off forums altogether.

 

[blairh]

So, in other words you're free to criticize Apple products but no one is free to disagree with you or criticize you?

I have always found this line of reasoning to be both bizarre and very funny. You are free to have your opinion of Apple product and other people are free to have their opinion of you. If you have an issue with people being critical of you, then i suggest you're the one with the issue and maybe you should just stay off forums altogether.

Anybody can disagree with me. I never said otherwise. However in what world is it acceptable to criticize someone solely because they are expressing a negative view of a product??

 

[Audentia]

Honestly don’t get all the drama. The OP makes valid points, you can agree or disagree no reason to attack the person. It’s one thing to critique a product, that’s fine we should all be open to do that, it’s another to critique an idea, and something else entirely to critique a person for expressing their idea.

 

[AppleTools]

I personally believe Apple could've done a better job on this revision... I love Apple and I always try to see the bright side of the coin but in this case I have to agree, it has many flaws.

I know what many of you will say, "you don't know the reasons why they designed it that way" but...

Thinking like an engineer...

Why didn't Apple place the motherboard (which is miniature) and the power supply in the STAND of the iMac???

It would've cleaned up the whole design, no chin, no brick and a sturdier heavier stand with a lighter screen!!

Even for repair reasons, a bad motherboard or ssd wouldn't mean to tear down the whole screen to get access to them... Or if you crack your screen, it would've been a lot easier to replace...

Steve would've never let this iMac come out like that... We all know that and please don't hate me too much for telling the truth...

Damn I was excited about this iMac and damn I'm disappointed...

 

[Ethosik]

And who's "mark" would that be? Opinions on what people want "the next" iMac, MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, Mac Mini, iPhone, etc. to be vary wildly. What happened is people got so involved in their own fantasy of what they wanted the first iteration of a redesigned iMac to be that they seriously expected Apple to follow their blueprints. I think we all can agree that's not how it works and never has been. No matter what they did, some people were bound to be disappointed. It's impossible to please everybody.

As for it being "bizarre," that's too strong of a word imo. If they had a giant spinning apple logo mounted to the top of the display - THAT would be "bizarre." Externally, it definitely looks like an iMac still, just with a uniformly thin profile, different color schemes, and of course the ports are different.

This is the problem with rumors and people making their own "idea". I have not really seen custom renders of the iMac, and when I did I made sure not to get used to it because its a third party render of what it MIGHT look like.

 

[Ethosik]

Here's the deal. Say you are walking down the street and you see this lady ahead of you. You're like, hmm... nice!... so as you pass her by, you glance over to look at her from the front. What do you see? Some people see a beautiful woman, others, not so much. Lets say you're in the not so much category... do you stop and talk to her to find out her inner beauty or keep walking?

Gut reactions are real. Whether we like it or not, people are judged first on how they look... as is most everything. You buy a car that way. You buy a house that way. Everything. So to suggest that looks aren't everything is a crock.

To be real here... multi-colored devices do more to harm sales than improve them. You end up with some colors always being out of stock and others overstocked to the point of a financial loss. This is why cars don't come in every color that is possible... no one wants their product sitting on some shelf until the next product comes along.

Colors should be a BTO option. Then and only then will they find how much people really like one color over the other... if they aren't willing to wait for purple, they really didn't care if it wasn't purple in the first place.

Do you honestly believe Apple doesn't know what they are doing? That people on this forum know more than the entire company does?

 

[Marshall73]

So many puzzling decisions by Apple with the iMac redesign.

1. White bezels are terrible for content consumption. If you use dark mode it's going to make the bezels stick out so much. There is a reason just about no monitor, TV, etc, is white these days. Yes I'm aware Apple used white bezels back in the day. No I don't think that's a good reason to use them again. They could have either matched the bezels with the colors of the machine, gone with silver, or used less pastel colors. At the very least offer the silver model with a black bezel.

2. Yes, the bigger future iMacs will look very different. But what if you want a cheaper/smaller iMac with no white bezel? You are SOL.

3. The chin looks bigger without the logo. It also looks like an unfinished product without it.

4. The ports on the base model are pathetic. No ethernet unless you pay for it on the power brick or get the next up model. Two USB 4/Thunderbolt ports and nothing more is a joke for a machine that starts at $1,300.

5. The power brick is embarrassing. The whole appeal of the iMac is that it is an all-in-one device. A power brick is such a junky addition.

6. Headphone jack on the side sucks if you use wired speakers.

7. This obsession with thinness on a desktop makes no sense to me. Other than taking an iMac to the Apple store for service, who cares how light your iMac is? I'd rather have a thicker iMac and not have a power brick, not have a headphone jack on the side, and potentially not have a chin either.

8. 8 GB of RAM is really cutting it close and not very future-proof. My iMac struggles at times and I'm a light user with the same amount of RAM. Luckily I can manually update mine if needed. Not the case for this model of course.

9. The look of this iMac itself is very polarizing. Pastels combined with white bezels is a bold choice of course but with such choices you are going to turn off a lot of consumers looking for something less bold and/or more professional. Another reason why a silver/black bezel model would have made sense as an option.

Blah blah blah, don’t buy one. Apple will sell these by the boatload and based on the stellar performance of the M1 Air and MacBook Pro users are going to be more than happy if they upgraded from ANY previous iMac.

 

[mxrider88]

I just think they are under a lot of pressure because everyone needs a new design bla bla ba otherwise apple is not innovating anymore bla bla bla… if they kept the black bezels people would have complained about the fact that it was still the same design.
it isn’t that there are millions of possibilities, it’s a screen, unless you make it round, it’s still a rectangular thing on your desk.

I kind of like it although I don’t share the white bezels thing and the lack of the logo (but again, if they did the same people were going to complain about it anyways), but I see exactly what they are trying to do.
Back to the origins, a playful iMac and then a pro device will come.

Hardware wise, I think they have proven themselves already, they can deliver astonishing performance with minimal ram. This machine was designed for the students at home in my opinion. The pro machine will come and it will be different and pro looking.

I personally love the thin design, it looks sleek.
They undoubtedly produce the best hardware. Unfortunately the software coming with it is becoming more and more like windows vista used to be.

Continuity and handoff don’t work in multiuser and they release a promo video taking about how amazing the continuity features are and then they talk about how amazing it is to switch user with Touch ID. Photos app is a mess etc etc.. they really need to step up the game on the software side.

I’m looking forward to the pro line!

 

[SuperMatt]

I personally believe Apple could've done a better job on this revision... I love Apple and I always try to see the bright side of the coin but in this case I have to agree, it has many flaws.

I know what many of you will say, "you don't know the reasons why they designed it that way" but...

Thinking like an engineer...

Why didn't Apple place the motherboard (which is miniature) and the power supply in the STAND of the iMac???

It would've cleaned up the whole design, no chin, no brick and a sturdier heavier stand with a lighter screen!!

Even for repair reasons, a bad motherboard or ssd wouldn't mean to tear down the whole screen to get access to them... Or if you crack your screen, it would've been a lot easier to replace...

Steve would've never let this iMac come out like that... We all know that and please don't hate me too much for telling the truth...

Damn I was excited about this iMac and damn I'm disappointed...

Whenever anybody says “Steve would….” it’s not a good sign. Jobs approved the first iMac with the ”guts” in the screen; the iMac G5. The iMac G4 turned out to be a stopgap on the way to what Jobs wanted - the computer in the screen.

If Steve really wanted the motherboard in the stand, he would have kept the iMac G4 design alive, but he killed it as soon as the technology was good enough for them to put the motherboard in the screen.

One should at least do some basic research before projecting one’s personal opinions onto the late Steve Jobs.

PS - This computer is VESA-mountable. That would not be possible with the CPU in the stand.

 

[SuperMatt]

Honestly don’t get all the drama. The OP makes valid points, you can agree or disagree no reason to attack the person. It’s one thing to critique a product, that’s fine we should all be open to do that, it’s another to critique an idea, and something else entirely to critique a person for expressing their idea.

I believe most comments have been directed at the opinions themselves. Unfortunately, in the case of the OP, disagreement with their opinions has resulted in them telling others that they will never talk to them again and that they are being put on the ignore list.

 

[SuperMatt]

I know the 8GB is limiting for some, but I get the feeling that the 27" iMacs when released, will include 16GB + options. They may limit 8GB for the 24" for the average user, and up the ante on the 27" which the pros are more likely to buy anyway.

It can go up to 16GB. The OP made a mistake stating it only supports 8.

 

[Arsenikdote]

For the last time, no. There are very obvious reasons why white bezels are very rare in monitors, TV's, etc. It is not the market. It is not style. It is not any other reasons you keep bringing up. Goodbye.

Anybody can disagree with me. I never said otherwise. However in what world is it acceptable to criticize someone solely because they are expressing a negative view of a product??

They had a different perspective. They expressed it. They were not attacking you personally or being rude. Your responses however might be construed as rude in many parts of the world (which the form serves).

From your original post on, it doesn't feel like you ever "express AN opinion" but rather express the ONLY opinion which doesn't allow for much dialogue. In theory that is what these forums are supposed to be about, but rarely are.

If you truly want to express an opinion and then discuss it, your tactics are not very inviting. If you express an opinion and then want to force everyone to see it your way, then you will get the reactions you are getting.

I know it will be easy to "goodbye" me or ignore me and others. That is ok with me, I was able to share my thoughts on how you could participate in dialogue with others. If you want to then your voice is added to many others. If not then you will get ignored by a lot of us who prefer real conversation. Either way, I truly hope you have a great weekend.

 

[blairh]

They had a different perspective. They expressed it. They were not attacking you personally or being rude. Your responses however might be construed as rude in many parts of the world (which the form serves).

From your original post on, it doesn't feel like you ever "express AN opinion" but rather express the ONLY opinion which doesn't allow for much dialogue. In theory that is what these forums are supposed to be about, but rarely are.

If you truly want to express an opinion and then discuss it, your tactics are not very inviting. If you express an opinion and then want to force everyone to see it your way, then you will get the reactions you are getting.

I know it will be easy to "goodbye" me or ignore me and others. That is ok with me, I was able to share my thoughts on how you could participate in dialogue with others. If you want to then your voice is added to many others. If not then you will get ignored by a lot of us who prefer real conversation. Either way, I truly hope you have a great weekend.

I completely disagree with your notion. I absolutely have no desire to force my opinions on anyone. I also have the right to tell someone when I disagree with them, as we all do. I have been a member here for years and pride myself on how I've conducted myself and the exchanges I have had. If you disagree, so be it. Take care.

 

[Arsenikdote]

So many puzzling decisions by Apple with the iMac redesign.

1. White bezels are terrible for content consumption. If you use dark mode it's going to make the bezels stick out so much. There is a reason just about no monitor, TV, etc, is white these days. Yes I'm aware Apple used white bezels back in the day. No I don't think that's a good reason to use them again. They could have either matched the bezels with the colors of the machine, gone with silver, or used less pastel colors. At the very least offer the silver model with a black bezel.

2. Yes, the bigger future iMacs will look very different. But what if you want a cheaper/smaller iMac with no white bezel? You are SOL.

3. The chin looks bigger without the logo. It also looks like an unfinished product without it.

4. The ports on the base model are pathetic. No ethernet unless you pay for it on the power brick or get the next up model. Two USB 4/Thunderbolt ports and nothing more is a joke for a machine that starts at $1,300.

5. The power brick is embarrassing. The whole appeal of the iMac is that it is an all-in-one device. A power brick is such a junky addition.

6. Headphone jack on the side sucks if you use wired speakers.

7. This obsession with thinness on a desktop makes no sense to me. Other than taking an iMac to the Apple store for service, who cares how light your iMac is? I'd rather have a thicker iMac and not have a power brick, not have a headphone jack on the side, and potentially not have a chin either.

8. 8 GB of RAM is really cutting it close and not very future-proof. My iMac struggles at times and I'm a light user with the same amount of RAM. Luckily I can manually update mine if needed. You cannot manually update the RAM on this iMac so you have to pay for 16 GB at purchase if you are unsure if 8 GB will be sufficient.

9. The look of this iMac itself is very polarizing. Pastels combined with white bezels is a bold choice of course but with such choices you are going to turn off a lot of consumers looking for something less bold and/or more professional. Another reason why a silver/black bezel model would have made sense as an option.

1) While I understand why some people would not like this aesthetic, I also like how Apple implemented the entire "feeling" of the iMac in a home. That is related to the bezels. If I only used a desktop computer as a non-professional I would happily purchase this iMac and not have an issue with the white bezels. In terms of other items in the industry having or not having white bezels, Apple often picks to do things that don't match the rest of the industry. Doesn't make it "right" but also doesn't make it surprising. However, when they choose to deviate, they do so with intention. The way this iMac with the white bezels and chin fits into a room, could be seen from a light that makes it feel more part of your home than a standard TV looking device. TV's and many of these consumer electronic devices are mostly function and if there is form, it is "futuristic" form. This might just be Apple's artistic form coming into play. Many may not like it, but as I have said, I do and would buy one if the specs would be high enough.

2) You are SOL, agreed. Sucks when that happens. I have been there many times over the years with decisions Apple makes. Sometimes you are just in the minority. For example, I LOVED the butterfly keyboard. That went away because I was in the minority. Sigh

3) I also liked the logo and I LOVED the old MacBook logos that lit up. I find it funny how most of the ads that Apple runs that highlights creative people always shows the old MacBooks with the light on Why would they remove the most valuable brand in the world from such a prominent location? <scratches head>

4) As others have mentioned, hubs. Apple tax on things like this is totally normal and actually somewhat surprising that you think this is a problem. Honestly I didn't even think we could get Thunderbolt 3 ports, let alone two of them on the base model. For the most entry level iMac, this seems reasonable. Hubs solve the problem cheaper and for a bit more money you can solve it built in.

5) I guess it depends on where you iMac plugs in. I have never had my iMac on a desk that has the power plug exposed or in the middle of a room. If the power brick sits at the power plug I will never see it on my desk and would never know if it ends in a brick or a plug. I have never visited a home in which I could see where the computer is plugged in. I am not saying it is not a possibility, but I honestly think (maybe I am totally wrong) that it really doesn't matter since for a lot of people it is hidden anyway. Plus by having the ethernet there it really does make what you can see at the desk one cable cleaner, which is my book, getting rid of even one cable is WONDERFUL!

6) Coin toss for me here. Having to reach around behind the computer to plug in headphones sucks. I would take a small 90 degree plug vs the hassle of plugging/unplugging in my headphones

7) <shrug> Following my other ideas I don't really feel like anything was sacrificed. Power brick no one sees anyway, plus it removes the clutter of a cable and headphone jack is helpful to some while less visually appealing to others, but still functional. Now the chin! If they would have removed the chin and made it thicker I would call it a win!

8) I agree that it doesn't "future proof" the system. In fact maybe it even is cutting it too close. However, after using an M1 MacBook with 8GB of RAM and running Photoshop, I can happily say that for the targeted audience of this device (non-power user) that 8GB of RAM is going to be just fine for this OS and likely at least one more at a minimum. It is ridiculous how fast an 8GB system feels. Like ridiculous!

9) I totally agree. While I think I have gave a good case for why I think they went the route they did, it is very confusing on why there wasn't a more "plain" option. The only thing I can think of is that the next iMac release will have an entry level close to this one and so they might just want you to pay a couple hundred more for the other "look" if you really have to have it. But like you said before....maybe just SOL! :-/

 

[trip1ex]

So many puzzling decisions by Apple with the iMac redesign.

1. White bezels are terrible for content consumption. If you use dark mode it's going to make the bezels stick out so much. There is a reason just about no monitor, TV, etc, is white these days. Yes I'm aware Apple used white bezels back in the day. No I don't think that's a good reason to use them again. They could have either matched the bezels with the colors of the machine, gone with silver, or used less pastel colors. At the very least offer the silver model with a black bezel.

2. Yes, the bigger future iMacs will look very different. But what if you want a cheaper/smaller iMac with no white bezel? You are SOL.

3. The chin looks bigger without the logo. It also looks like an unfinished product without it.

4. The ports on the base model are pathetic. No ethernet unless you pay for it on the power brick or get the next up model. Two USB 4/Thunderbolt ports and nothing more is a joke for a machine that starts at $1,300.

5. The power brick is embarrassing. The whole appeal of the iMac is that it is an all-in-one device. A power brick is such a junky addition.

6. Headphone jack on the side sucks if you use wired speakers.

7. This obsession with thinness on a desktop makes no sense to me. Other than taking an iMac to the Apple store for service, who cares how light your iMac is? I'd rather have a thicker iMac and not have a power brick, not have a headphone jack on the side, and potentially not have a chin either.

8. 8 GB of RAM is really cutting it close and not very future-proof. My iMac struggles at times and I'm a light user with the same amount of RAM. Luckily I can manually update mine if needed. You cannot manually update the RAM on this iMac so you have to pay for 16 GB at purchase if you are unsure if 8 GB will be sufficient.

9. The look of this iMac itself is very polarizing. Pastels combined with white bezels is a bold choice of course but with such choices you are going to turn off a lot of consumers looking for something less bold and/or more professional. Another reason why a silver/black bezel model would have made sense as an option.

1. a 24" screen is terrible for content consumption in the first place as long as you're playing the white bezel card. It's no home theatre sized screen. White bezels are fine. You don't have to like them however.

2. redundant point.

3. chin is fine. you don't have to like it however.

4. ...well is there an Apple product that any of us agree is under priced? The price pretty much sucks on every Apple product.

5. The power brick is not embarrassing because, exceptions aside, the power brick will be out of sight.

6. I guess so. But wired speakers hooked to an iMac sort of ruined the look as it was. And this iMac has the best sound of any Mac yet.

7. Complaining about the thinness by arguing it will be on a desk while also calling the power brick an embarrassment when it would hide out of sight in a desk situation doesn't add up. Also since when does Apple try not to make computers look cool? Making it super thin is cool looking no matter how non-practical it is. Yet will be faster/quieter than most if not all of the past iMacs.

8. Well this a redundant pt too. SAme pt as #4. Apple products cost too much.

9. Well every Apple product design has its haters. I don't think the colors are going to turn off most in the market. Probably the opposite especially when they see them in person. Very refreshing from the staid black/sliver they've used for many many years especially in conjunction with the super thin design. And there is always silver. If you want something more professional looking I would wait for the iMac Pro. HIghly likely the current iMac is only replacing the 21.5" iMac in the lineup as it hits the same price points and leaves the default $2k+ pricepoints wide open.

 

[SuperMatt]

What you aren’t apparently listening to is that the OP is simply saying this is bizarre. And it unquestionably is at the moment when looking at other devices in the lineup. The white bezels alone are bizarre as that was a thing that Mr Ive preferred on mobile devices and apple had left that design years ago.

One can say they dislike it; sure. Stating that it is bizarre is a very strong statement, and too strong IMHO, especially when one can point to many prior iMacs with white bezels. It used to be the norm, and there was nothing bizarre about it then. When did it suddenly become bizarre? There’s a huge gap between “different” and “‘bizarre.”

 

[transpo1]

Ports are not scarce on the Mini. It includes the same ports as the mid-tier iMac. The iMac should include the same ports in the base model.

The addition of a power brick is a fail. The iMac is an all-in-one device. Adding a power brick makes it far less sleek and far more clunky.

Right angle jack would still show. You are now forced to use BT speakers to avoid the eyesore.

An obsession with thinness in the past and now in the present does not mean it's a good thing. They are focusing on thinness in a device that you will probably rarely, if ever, move. By doing so they made design compromises. This is not something to cheer about.

I seriously doubt 8 GB will be sufficient down the road for most users.

Your seven colors comment is comical. Six colors are a combination of a white bezel with pastel colors. If you are not a fan of such an aesthetic you are SOL. Personally I think the white/silver combination is terrible. They should have made that one model a black bezel in order to offer someone who desires the 24" model a more traditional styled machine.

These machines aren’t designed for you— they’re designed for people who like colors and value the brightness and joy these colors will bring to their homes and home offices now that they’re spending more time there. Personally, these colors aren’t for me, but overall I find the design stunning and can imagine lots of people wanting to add a fun colorful splash to their desktop appliance.

Later on, Apple will release a more powerful iMac in the traditional color scheme just for you.

We all understand how passionate you feel but now it’s time to let this obsession go.

 

[iDave]

Any time a computer line is completely redesigned it's going to thrill some people and upset others who prefer the old line. Personally I like the new look and can't understand why the chin and bezels are so upsetting to some. It all looks great. All the other new or revised tidbits of this new iMac seem like typical Apple to me; a company making a profit.

 

[trip1ex]

YOu know what surrounds my black bezels on my 24" monitor? a tan wall and a glass desk. Plus I can see a mouse light, a picture hung on the wall that has colors on it and white and a white shade and wood trim around a window and stuff outside the window...

Nevermind right now I have a window open that isn't full screen and so I see a bunch of those evil colors coming from the desktop wallpaper. OH and all those colors on the toolbar. Evil colors from the whole spectrum.

 

[Fancler]

I feel like the white bezels, and the general look of it, are ok in an office setting. They will look fancy at a reception desk at or something like that. Kind of distracting in a home setting though. But I do like how they are different from PCs, which are invariably black. In any case, isn’t complaining about the colours a bit like complaining about the colours on an iPad Air, when you can just get a pro if you want the standard colours?

 

[Caliber26]

1. a 24" screen is terrible for content consumption in the first place as long as you're playing the white bezel card. It's no home theatre sized screen. White bezels are fine. You don't have to like them however.

2. redundant point.

3. chin is fine. you don't have to like it however.

4. ...well is there an Apple product that any of us agree is under priced? The price pretty much sucks on every Apple product.

5. The power brick is not embarrassing because, exceptions aside, the power brick will be out of sight.

6. I guess so. But wired speakers hooked to an iMac sort of ruined the look as it was. And this iMac has the best sound of any Mac yet.

7. Complaining about the thinness by arguing it will be on a desk while also calling the power brick an embarrassment when it would hide out of sight in a desk situation doesn't add up. Also since when does Apple try not to make computers look cool? Making it super thin is cool looking no matter how non-practical it is. Yet will be faster/quieter than most if not all of the past iMacs.

8. Well this a redundant pt too. SAme pt as #4. Apple products cost too much.

9. Well every Apple product design has its haters. I don't think the colors are going to turn off most in the market. Probably the opposite especially when they see them in person. Very refreshing from the staid black/sliver they've used for many many years especially in conjunction with the super thin design. And there is always silver. If you want something more professional looking I would wait for the iMac Pro. HIghly likely the current iMac is only replacing the 21.5" iMac in the lineup as it hits the same price points and leaves the default $2k+ pricepoints wide open.

Why do so many of you feel this compelled to reply with your counterpoints? It’s almost like you’re justifying Apple’s choices by assuming the self-appointed role of spokesperson. To what end?

If a random person on an online forum wants to vent about how a product falls short of their personal expectations, that’s fine. You’re not offering any new knowledge at this point and you’re not going to convince them to buy it. This forum is exactly for these type of discussions so it’s quite pointless for you to chime in with what makes this a great product for Apple or other users. Like I said, you’re not bringing any new information to the table so let the rest of us complain about why we dislike it.

 

[trip1ex]

Why do so many of you feel this compelled to reply with your counterpoints? It’s almost like you’re justifying Apple’s choices by assuming the self-appointed role of spokesperson. To what end?

If a random person on an online forum wants to vent about how a product falls short of their personal expectations, that’s fine. You’re not offering any new knowledge at this point and you’re not going to convince them to buy it. This forum is exactly for these type of discussions so it’s quite pointless for you to chime in with what makes this a great product for Apple or other users. Like I said, you’re not bringing any new information to the table so let the rest of us complain about why we dislike it.

so a random guy on the internet replies to me with a counter pt yet has nothing to say while trying to tell me I'm on that guy. got it. I think.

btw the OP brought nothing new to the table. He just whined a long deep whine. And if you think people are trying to convince the OP, someone they don't know who says he doesn't like the new iMac, to buy the iMac you're crazy. EVeryone here couldn't care less. Over 7.7 billion people on the planet are not going to buy the new iMac.