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New iMacs announced

If Apple made this machine last year i would have bought it, well they didnt and i got a Pc for gaming but what i would like to say is that this machine is set up very well. Sure it could have a more powerful card but with a 9600 you are in. This machine can now do everything even Doom3 so there isnt any reason to cry. I can not find fault with the GPU,CPU nor memory. I think Apple has a fine machine in iMac. Fx5200 was killing it in my view. Good Job Apple but it took way to long to figure this one out. Should have been selling this one last year.
 
Okay leaving the GPU debate aside I'm wondering if anyone has received one yet?

Mine is "Sent to Manufacturing" according to the Apple Store. Anyone buy one local or received their shipment?

Just curious. I have a 1GB RAM stick and a 250GB FW HD waiting for a home :)
 
I agree with most of you that the iMac isn't intended to be a gaming machine, and that Apple is cheaping out on the video chipset because it isn't important to most users. Most of the iMac market is going to play games like No One Lives Forever once every month or so. What the will be doing is running Photoshop CS, iLife, and Office, for which the 9600 is great.

The issue I have with the choice of the 9600 XT for the iMac and the 9650 for the PowerMac :mad: is that their OS is going to be putting way more pressure on the video card and subsystem. As this is the case, especially in a single processor system, it makes a lot more sense to put a great video card into it so that your users will say "Wow, that is much snappier than the last iMac." That is what the PC market was like through the 90's every new PC made the OS feel much more responsive. Neither Apple or the PC market is doing this anymore. To the average consumer, who is the iMac's market, the new iMac will feel exactly the same as the last iMac, maybe a little faster. I think if Apple changed OS X so that the sheet speed were dependent on framerate, with better video cards, Apple could get users to think their stuff was getting faster, even if it isn't. I just don't understand Apple pushing all off the graphics processing onto the GPU and then using and outdated GPU on the PM G5 especially. Seems like cutting your nose off to spite your face.
 
greenfluke its all about economy, apple sits like a hawk waiting for a certain little bird or rather tech hits a price point, then they fly down scoop up millions and send them off to China to go into a new machine for the yearly contract. 9600 had gotten cheap enough,plus its low heat signature makes it a ideal replacement.Combine its improvements over FX5200 along with 64mb more video and a Cpu running 200 mhz faster and yes you have a performance improvement over last years model. Dont want to hear about stress garbage on the video. Its designed for that. Imac can do just fine for 95% Mac buyers. Those who want more have to step up to the PPPowerMac! And thats the way it is................................or you get a neat Alienware Star Wars PC and play Doom3 on ultrahigh setting at fantastic frame rates! Those Star War paint schemes are cool greenfluke. ;)
 
Yes.....yes we want a better GPU.....but you were all complaining about the 5200 and now it had got twice the VRAM and a better GPU...the 9600 but what to do.....argue that it is ot good enough...c'mon :rolleyes: Give apple a break..the iMac is a good deal ;)
 
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Yes.....yes we want a better GPU.....but you were all complaining about the 5200 and now it had got twice the VRAM and a better GPU...but what to do the argue that it is ot good enough...c'mon :rolleyes: Give apple a break..the iMac is a good deal ;)
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Ha, not sure what language you're speaking, but the iMac is a good deal. It's just not a great deal. The PowerBooks are great machines -- no unreasonable compromises there. I can happily own it for 4 years. However, the new PowerMacs are disappointing (go back and wade through the thread on that one). Why such a backlash against the new PM? Well, no PCI Express, no dual core, no SATA-II, and a mere 200 MHz clock speed increase in 10 months. Does 95% of the PowerMac demographic *need* PCI Express or dual core or SATA-II? I don't think so, but prospective buyers are not looking at the specs for today and only for today; they are looking at the longevity of the machine's architecture. They do not want to get locked into technologies that are already on their way out; they want forward-looking designs to meet future anticipated needs. Expandability or upgradability has always been an important factor, and will continue to be so. I think that a captive graphics card makes sense for the Mac mini, but it does not make sense on a 2 GHz G5 iMac. This is a powerful machine that owners will want to use to its full potential. The graphics card limits that potential.

Having said all this, I am not interested in perpetuating the argument. The iMac still appeals to me despite the weak graphics card, but the decision to buy one is not automatic as it would have been had Apple used a mid-range graphics chip by *today's* standards.
 
Let's see...the middle iMac with a 17" LCD is $1499, or $1624 if you get it with 1GB RAM. The iMac is touted for everyday use and is excellent for Internet, email, MS Office, iLife apps, etc, and good for most games. Very few power-gamers are gonna settle for an iMac. Apple is wise to provide the best bang for the buck to the 95% of consumers who don't care about Doom 3 frame rates (like me). As mentioned before by several writers, if you need a machine to satisfy your power gaming desires, you need to get a PowerMac or a PC.

Dell is touting its new line of XPS systems to power gamers. These systems start at $1599 (after $400 instant discount and incl. a free low-grade 17" LCD), but that's before adding XP Professional ($79) and doubling the RAM to 1GB ($80). Want a 250GB HD, add $120. Want a DVD R/W drive, add $70. Want speakers, add $40 or more. Optical mouse, add $10. Wireless Card (Bluetooth), add $49. Upgraded 17" Ultrasharp monitor, add $109. The XPS systems come with a 256MB geForce 6800, but add $$$400 if you want a radeon X850 XT PE! And, lets not forget that you don't get OS X on a PC; you don't get iLife; and you have to pay for all that software to protect you from Windows viruses, spyware, malware, etc. :rolleyes:

Face it! If you want a pro gaming system you have to pay for it...and it costs more than an iMac. I for one have no complaints about the new iMac - other than that fact the mine won't arrive until next week! :D
 
crawdad62 said:
Okay leaving the GPU debate aside I'm wondering if anyone has received one yet?

Mine is "Sent to Manufacturing" according to the Apple Store. Anyone buy one local or received their shipment?

Just curious. I have a 1GB RAM stick and a 250GB FW HD waiting for a home :)
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I think the first batch of "Shipped" will hit the status page on Friday the 6th and we will start seeing comments to the effect "I got mine" next week.
 
NevadaJack said:
I think the first batch of "Shipped" will hit the status page on Friday the 6th and we will start seeing comments to the effect "I got mine" next week.
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I agree, although some people in the UK have had theirs ship today already, so perhaps the US will see the same today.
 
OnaMacSince1989 said:
Face it! If you want a pro gaming system you have to pay for it...and it costs more than an iMac.
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No one is asking for a pro gaming system with a $500 top of the line Radeon 850XT or nVidia 6800 Ultra, so please dispense with this argument. We are simply asking for a midrange graphics chip by today's standards to enhance the longevity of this model -- i.e., to improve the eventual resale value, protect our investment, allow us to run more powerful graphics apps on the machine, etc. Enough said.
 
ksz said:
No one is asking for a pro gaming system with a $500 top of the line Radeon 850XT or nVidia 6800 Ultra, so please dispense with this argument. We are simply asking for a midrange graphics chip by today's standards to enhance the longevity of this model -- i.e., to improve the eventual resale value, protect our investment, allow us to run more powerful graphics apps on the machine, etc. Enough said.
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Stop it please , buy an Xbox already or PSP or $999 Gaming PC. Let's be honest as far as gaming is concerned with macs you are never going to get your moneys worth. even a dual G5 with a Geforce 6800 Ultra is no match for a $1200 Gaming PC. Macs are great for many things, gaming is just not one of them . the games will never be optimized to take advantage of the hardware, no Direct X and Open GL is so so. Live with it.

What the hell do u need a 8 or 16 pipe line card for other than that. Until Apple makes a GUI that requires rendering power of 100m Polygons/sec or over 1 gigapixel/sec fill rate. It doesn't matter how advanced they make the GUI it will never compare to the intense power requirements of a game running in real time , 1280x1024 resolution w/effects and 5.1 sound.

Graphics apps like Motion should not be used on iMacs , thats what power macs are for. Motion needs over 1GB ram and top end video card to run well.

The 9800 Pro , 6600GT and X700 Pro will fry in a tight space like the one provided by the iMac , all these cards run DDR ram at 700-1000mhz plus core speed from 400-500mhz. They all need fans and mid-sized heatsinks , the 9600 can run on passive cooling so it was the logical choice. sure i bet apple engineers can work up something but it's like the G5 in a powerbook , they can do it but it will come at a price. Thicker computer , and noisey.
 
Amazon being punished by Apple?

I just ordered a new iMac G5 17" 2.0 GHz from Amazon (to save the tax) and it shows an estimated shipment date of July 5!?!?! Is Amazon being punished by Apple or something for the PM slip? I'd like to save the $100 but that's an afull long time to wait. An updated version my be available by then ;).
 
KingsFans said:
I just ordered a new iMac G5 17" 2.0 GHz from Amazon (to save the tax) and it shows an estimated shipment date of July 5!?!?! Is Amazon being punished by Apple or something for the PM slip? I'd like to save the $100 but that's an afull long time to wait. An updated version my be available by then ;).
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I don't even see the updated iMacs on Amazon...can you post a link?
 
KingsFans said:
I just ordered a new iMac G5 17" 2.0 GHz from Amazon (to save the tax) and it shows an estimated shipment date of July 5!?!?! Is Amazon being punished by Apple or something for the PM slip? I'd like to save the $100 but that's an afull long time to wait. An updated version my be available by then ;).
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I'm not sure why Amazon lists it so far off, but my order is in with MacConnection and the ship time is "1-2 weeks." I don't think it will truly take Amazon until July to ship your iMac. ;)
 
mine just shipped

I ordered it on the day it came out (6:50 am) I ordered the basic model. (I plan to upgrade the HD and memory myself). Its shipping via Fedex ground soo the new iMacs might already be in the states
 
will these new imac work well with h.264 and core image? i was thinking of getting one only if they work properly with all the features of tiger (h.264, dasboard are very good selling points to me)

im thinking of getting this setup

2.0ghz "20
2gb ram (from crucial @ £180 approx)
400gb
wireless k and mouse (apple)

total £1386.07 (with edu discount @ 10%(only on imac not on ram))

cool price waaaay under my budget, was thinkin of getting a d2.7ghx + 30" for £3600 ~approx, i could get two for that and get a mini for my lil sis with that ! :eek:
 
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Strange also that you have to do some specific searching to find them. They don't come up under the normal Apple-iMac pages. Just the old ones with the discounted prices.

Also the 20" model shows and lists the features for an eMac in the description.

I just hope it's closer to 2 weeks and not 2 months until it ships.
 
KingsFans said:
No $100 rebate, sorry I was talking about the money I saved in taxes. Actually if you add up the sales tax, Pi/2 discount and Amazon visa 3% back it comes out to about $180 cheaper than the Apple store (for the $1500 model).

It just seems strange that they all say "pre-order" and the dates are SOOOO far off.
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The other interesting thing is that the new imacs do not qualify for free shipping like the old ones did.
 
DAND said:
The other interesting thing is that the new imacs do not qualify for free shipping like the old ones did.
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Hmmm... I got free shipping yesterday, but I just checked and you're right now it's not. That probably just about equals the tax savings. My order status still shows free shipping but if they modify my order and charge me shipping I'll cancel and just order form Apple since I'd most likely get it faster.
 
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