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If you actually read what I wrote, I was asking about anything really new, not revolutionary. The iPhone 6's larger screens were significantly new, but obviously not revolutionary. Nothing in the 6S or rumoured iPhone 7 specs is, in my opinion, new. But if you think complacency is a recipe for success in the cutthroat smartphone sector, I suggest you look up Blackberry and Nokia in the tech history books. See how that worked out.
So Apple will go from the most valuable company to Nokia? They would have to lose billions every quarter for years and that's not happening.
 
yeah apple is a startup coming up with new innovations. New OLED screens, 1080p screens, better battery, better camera, VR will all be invented by apple. Androids will then copy these things from Apple. Trust me on this.
 
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Having been using bluetooth headphones as long as I've owned my iPhone 6, I couldn't care less about the headphone jack. What I would like to see them do is make an iPhone that's as thick as the 4 but as big as the 6 series. (As well as a 4 inch) and pack in as big of a battery as they can. You can have an iPhone Air and an iPhone Pro! Though I prefer the size of the 5S, I might even consider a Plus if they made it a proper pro.

The camera bump was a really bad sign. If you can't get a camera thin enough to fit in your thin phone, maybe let that be an excuse to include a thicker battery!
 
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everything sounds perfect about the iPhone 7.

until the no headphone jack. i can't just drop £600-700 on a phone and not be able to listen to music through my £150 headphones. do i really need to replace my high end headphones with a bluetooth set or buy an adapter?

apple need to stop being so obsessed with thinness. look at what samsung done and increased the thickness so they could get a bigger (3,600mAh) battery. please do that apple.
 
Reading through recent comments here, I think I'll finally abandon Apple once my current phone contract has ended - over the last 7-8 years I've dealt with being tied to iTunes and it's horrible operation on a PC, the closed in nature and ball-ache of simply adding files (when they are of the limited types allowed by Apple) to the phone, the ever-worsening user experience of iOS which has become clunkier and buggier with each iteration, the weaker design and ergonomics (too thin to hold comfortably and subsequent camera "bump" that renders overall "thinness" redundant, volume buttons opposing power button etc) with every generation of a device supposedly focussing on those very things...

But not for those reasons. Purely because I don't want to be lumped in with the utter idiocy and near religious-zealotry displayed by half the Apple "fans" on sites like this, I don't want to be part of a blinded cult.
 
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No headphone jack? So we have to carry an adapter for using our own headphones? Ludicrous.
What is the obsession with making the iPhone thinner and thinner? Instead of adding features that are really useful like:
- Fast charging
- Better battery life
- Wireless charging
- A pay system that works everywhere, not like the joke Apple Pay has been that is almost non existent outside the US.
 
Reading through recent comments here, I think I'll finally abandon Apple once my current phone contract has ended - over the last 7-8 years I've dealt with being tied to iTunes and it's horrible operation on a PC, the closed in nature and ball-ache of simply adding files (when they are of the limited types allowed by Apple) to the phone, the ever-worsening user experience of iOS which has become clunkier and buggier with each iteration, the weaker design with every generation of a device supposedly focussing on...

But not for those reasons. Purely because I don't want to be lumped in with the utter idiocy and near religious-zealotry displayed by
You can almost visualize the soapbox eh?
 
Reading through recent comments here, I think I'll finally abandon Apple once my current phone contract has ended - over the last 7-8 years I've dealt with being tied to iTunes and it's horrible operation on a PC, the closed in nature and ball-ache of simply adding files (when they are of the limited types allowed by Apple) to the phone, the ever-worsening user experience of iOS which has become clunkier and buggier with each iteration, the weaker design and ergonomics (too thin to hold comfortably and subsequent camera "bump" that renders overall "thinness" redundant, volume buttons opposing power button etc) with every generation of a device supposedly focussing on those very things...

But not for those reasons. Purely because I don't want to be lumped in with the utter idiocy and near religious-zealotry displayed by half the Apple "fans" on sites like this, I don't want to be part of a blinded cult.
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No headphone jack? So we have to carry an adapter for using our own headphones? Ludicrous.
What is the obsession with making the iPhone thinner and thinner? Instead of adding features that are really useful like:
- Fast charging
- Better battery life
- Wireless charging
- A pay system that works everywhere, not like the joke Apple Pay has been that is almost non existent outside the US.
It's funny when I read posts like this...
You have to carry headphones anyway right?
You'll have to plug them into the adapter right?
Why not just carry the headphones with the adapter attached. Don't really see what the big deal is.
 
Prepare to be disappointed. It will likely only come with a set of Lightning earbuds. Not a 3.5mm adapter, or BT EarPods.

I would gladly lose the headphone jack for more battery capacity. And I wouldn't rule out two cameras for the 7, or some other improvements they need extra space for. I'm not thrilled about the 2nd speaker rumor, since I'd rather see the headphone jack stay instead, but it really all depends on how the internal arrangement lays out, and what they are offering in return.

I couldn't care less whether it comes with the adapter or earbuds/pods/beans/sticks or not. None of the buds that come with ANY phone are worth anything. They're better than nothing, but only barely. I've got plenty of good quality head phones, none of which I could use with a phone that doesn't have the headphone jack. No way in hell I'm buying half a dozen dongles to attach to my home set, my car and my work. At home I can at least use wireless stuff, not so much in car.

My iPhone 6+ battery is by no means large enough. It survives barely through the normal work day if I don't use it too much. After learning how much of a joy it is to be able to work two full work days on a Dell Chromebook without having to think about charging my iPhone feels like it's from the 60s. If the new one comes with a similar battery there's no reason to upgrade. Even if I were to accept the loss of the headphone jack, which I'm not. The camera does already all I need it to and if I really want to take pictures I use my DSLR or my P&S. You can't compare the image quality.

It's sad to see where Apple is going. First they come up with Macbook Retina which sounds good but comes with a totally useless keyboard and just one port. Yay, adapter heaven! Tried one, returned it right away. If I want to bang a flat screen I already have my iPad's on screen keyboard for authentic Retina Macbook keyboard experience. The Magic Keyboard they came up with is nearly as bad and now this? It seems I'm stuck with my 15" rMBP and my iPhone 6+ until they break down and then I have to figure out who to switch to.
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It's funny when I read posts like this...
You have to carry headphones anyway right?
You'll have to plug them into the adapter right?
Why not just carry the headphones with the adapter attached. Don't really see what the big deal is.

First, because the adapter WILL break. As have all the other adapters I've dragged around, eventually.
Second, because I use those headphones with other devices as well. I would be unplugging the adapter a lot and end up either leaving it in the wrong place or - yes, breaking it.
Third, because I'd still need to buy more than one of them. My car doesn't support bluetooth play nor do I want it to. At work I play music from the stereo system. At home I mostly use my Spotify Connect enabled speakers so that saves me one adapter.

End line: I truly, truly hate adapters. They are what's wrong in the whole industry. They make even the most simple device a hell to drag around with all the half a dozen dongles you need for them. Tried that hell with the 12" Macbook. In the end the keyboard was the reason I dumped it but even had that worked the f**n adapters would've been the next reason in line.
 
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Reading through recent comments here, I think I'll finally abandon Apple once my current phone contract has ended - over the last 7-8 years I've dealt with being tied to iTunes and it's horrible operation on a PC, the closed in nature and ball-ache of simply adding files (when they are of the limited types allowed by Apple) to the phone, the ever-worsening user experience of iOS which has become clunkier and buggier with each iteration, the weaker design and ergonomics (too thin to hold comfortably and subsequent camera "bump" that renders overall "thinness" redundant, volume buttons opposing power button etc) with every generation of a device supposedly focussing on those very things...

But not for those reasons. Purely because I don't want to be lumped in with the utter idiocy and near religious-zealotry displayed by half the Apple "fans" on sites like this, I don't want to be part of a blinded cult.
Lol thanks for the laugh. I'd wager a bet that less than 5% of iPhone and android users spend time bitching on forums... But go ahead and make a change based off some strangers, whom are definately a small minority of the user base, arguing online.
 
Really Apple no phone jack, that do not make any sense, stick with what you know!

Totally agree, if it doesn't support Apple BASIC and the cassette interface I'm not buying an iPhone 7. Apple needs to concentrate on legacy support, just because TRS connectors were invented in the 19th century doesn't mean we can leave them behind; I'm sick of this forced obsolescence.
 
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But not for those reasons. Purely because I don't want to be lumped in with the utter idiocy and near religious-zealotry displayed by half the Apple "fans" on sites like this, I don't want to be part of a blinded cult.
Sooo.. you are going to adopt Android so that you can to be lumped in with the utter idiocy and near religious-zealotry displayed by half the Android "fans" on sites like this, so that you can be part of that blinded cult?

Well OK then, go to it, chief. Better than middle of the road where you'll get run over from -both- directions, I guess.
 
Totally agree, if it doesn't support Apple BASIC and the cassette interface I'm not buying an iPhone 7. Apple needs to concentrate on legacy support, just because TRS connectors were invented in the 19th century doesn't mean we can leave them behind; I'm sick of this forced obsolescence.

This is what I expect for Apple to introduce today ...

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So, to prove my point, Apple comes out with a "new" phone today, the iPhone SE, which looks very much like the iPhone 5, except it has iPhone 6 specs and software in it. Wow, the "innovation" is simply staggering.
 
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So, to prove my point, Apple comes out with a "new" phone today, the iPhone SE, which looks very much like the iPhone 5, except it has iPhone 6 specs and software in it. Wow, the "innovation" is simply staggering.
First of all... it's got iPhone 6S specs inside. No one else is cramming current-gen performance in a smaller body.

Other companies make "mini" versions of their phones but they are still 4.6" and quite a bit larger than the smaller iPhone. It's tough to find many mainstream Android phones under 4.7" anyway... most of them seem to start at 5"

You might not call what Apple does "innovation"

But if it was easy... everyone would be doing it.
 
First of all... it's got iPhone 6S specs inside. No one else is cramming current-gen performance in a smaller body.

Other companies make "mini" versions of their phones but they are still 4.6" and quite a bit larger than the smaller iPhone. It's tough to find many mainstream Android phones under 4.7" anyway... most of them seem to start at 5"

You might not call what Apple does "innovation"

But if it was easy... everyone would be doing it.
Making a mini version of the same phone IS cramming "current-gen" performance in a smaller body, which is what Sony and others have done, and is what Samsung is rumoured to be doing. Just because you disagree on what size "smaller" should be doesn't mean it already isn't being done. So, it does appear to be "easy" because others are doing it, maybe better than Apple.
 
Making a mini version of the same phone IS cramming "current-gen" performance in a smaller body, which is what Sony and others have done, and is what Samsung is rumoured to be doing. Just because you disagree on what size "smaller" should be doesn't mean it already isn't being done. So, it does appear to be "easy" because others are doing it, maybe better than Apple.

Sony's Z5 Compact uses the Snapdragon 810... which, I believe, isn't as powerful as Apple's A9. But I could be wrong.

Samsung is rumored to be making a S7 mini... but it will still be much larger compared to the 4" iPhone.

When was the last time Samsung made a mainstream phone with modern hardware at less than, say, 4.5"? I don't think they can do it. Physics gets in the way.
 
Sony's Z5 Compact uses the Snapdragon 810... which, I believe, isn't as powerful as Apple's A9. But I could be wrong.

Samsung is rumored to be making a S7 mini... but it will still be much larger compared to the 4" iPhone.

When was the last time Samsung made a mainstream phone with modern hardware at less than, say, 4.5"? I don't think they can do it. Physics gets in the way.
You're moving the goalposts -- yet again. Your original argument was that no one else is cramming similar specs into a smaller phone, yet they are. That Android phones are bigger than iPhones is a completely different argument.

The fact is that the iPhone SE is nothing new in terms of a smartphone frame, and its specs are nothing new for iPhones. You seem amazed that the two have been combined to a degree. I'm not. In fact, I'm quite surprised at how little of anything new has been coming from Apple lately. Even the iPhone 6's greatest achievement was a bigger screen, which the company previously mocked. Well, woop-dee-doo. Amazing what impresses some iPhone fans lately.

I saw some people on Twitter today even mocking the SE. Someone tweeted: Welcome to 2013. lol.
 
You're moving the goalposts -- yet again. Your original argument was that no one else is cramming similar specs into a smaller phone, yet they are. That Android phones are bigger than iPhones is a completely different argument.

The fact is that the iPhone SE is nothing new in terms of a smartphone frame, and its specs are nothing new for iPhones. You seem amazed that the two have been combined to a degree. I'm not. In fact, I'm quite surprised at how little of anything new has been coming from Apple lately. Even the iPhone 6's greatest achievement was a bigger screen, which the company previously mocked. Well, woop-dee-doo. Amazing what impresses some iPhone fans lately.

I saw some people on Twitter today even mocking the SE. Someone tweeted: Welcome to 2013. lol.

And your original argument was that Apple didn't do anything today. No "innovation"

Should they have just left the iPhone 5S as is? And keep selling it at $449?

It's not even their flagship phone. Those get updated in the Fall.

Let's wait until iPhone 7 to say they're "not innovating" anymore.

I gotta ask... what exactly were you looking for today? iPhone 6 body? That's been done. A9 processor? That's been done too.

Did you really think Apple was gonna release a brand new body with brand new internals for a low-volume iPhone model? In March? :)

You're right... the iPhone SE isn't a "new" phone. You might consider it a "refresh"
 
And your original argument was that Apple didn't do anything today. No "innovation"

Should they have just left the iPhone 5S as is? And keep selling it at $449?

It's not even their flagship phone. Those get updated in the Fall.

Let's wait until iPhone 7 to say they're "not innovating" anymore.

I gotta ask... what exactly were you looking for today? iPhone 6 body? That's been done. A9 processor? That's been done too.

Did you really think Apple was gonna release a brand new body with brand new internals for a low-volume iPhone model? In March? :)

You're right... the iPhone SE isn't a "new" phone. You might consider it a "refresh"
You're asking me how Apple should innovate? Isn't that what they're supposed to do? lol. All I know is that it wasn't there today, it wasn't there with 6S, it was kind of there with the iPhone 6, and nothing from the leaked specs of the iPhone 7 suggests to me that there's anything significantly new, either. In fact, one "unboxer" was able to fit his iPhone 6 almost perfectly into the iPhone 7 case, and the leaked renders show same dimensions and general design. Honestly, I expect more from Apple. But, heck, they probably know a lot more than me about selling phones. We'll see.
 
You're asking me how Apple should innovate? Isn't that what they're supposed to do? lol. All I know is that it wasn't there today, it wasn't there with 6S, it was kind of there with the iPhone 6, and nothing from the leaked specs of the iPhone 7 suggests to me that there's anything significantly new, either. In fact, one "unboxer" was able to fit his iPhone 6 almost perfectly into the iPhone 7 case, and the leaked renders show same dimensions and general design. Honestly, I expect more from Apple. But, heck, they probably know a lot more than me about selling phones. We'll see.
Today was obviously a refresh. It wouldn't make sense to build all new tooling for a low-volume phone.

Apple said they sold 30 million 4" phones last year. That meant the other 200 million were iPhone 6 and above. So I can see why they wouldn't have designed a brand new 4" phone from scratch.

You're entitled to your opinion that Apple doesn't innovate anymore. Who am I to question it.
 
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