New Images Depict Alleged 7.04 Watt-Hour Battery Designed for iPhone 7

[Jimrod]

Apple aren't "late to the party" - they have their own, far more intelligent, less pretentious party"

How very pretentious and arrogant sounding.

Let's put this to a vote - don't take my word for it alone - I am sure the MR masses will vote with their thumbs, if they agree.

I vote for features that make the phone work better for me. A longer lasting, rather than thinner battery would be nice, the phones are more than thin enough already. On an average day I have no problems - but I wan't a phone that'll last for me on those busier days where I'm travelling and perhaps can't do my work from a desk or maybe want to watch a film on my phone for example, something the iPhone could easily do if it wasn't for this blinkered "thinner is better" attitude. Plenty of thicker phones are actually far nicer to hold and use - that kind of "experience" that Apple were famed for.

 

[Mildredop]

I love how fast it charges lol

Why do you find this funny?

 

[manu chao]

The battery life competition would be over if Apple got over their obsession with thinness and equipped iPhones with similar capacity batteries as comparable Android phones.

Same capacity would mean either iPhones that are thicker than Samsung's flagship phones or that match the screen size of Samsung phones.

 

[AppleFan91]

Why do you find this funny?

While you're trying to be cute, it's funny because it's ridiculously fast

 

[MarvinHC]

Apple has a vision for what they want for iPhone in the future. By making the each generation product thinner they challenge their engineers. While, Samsung's Galaxy phones are kinda just a frankensteins monster. Doesn't really have future.

The problem is not with them challenging their engineers, but maybe challenge them with something consumers need such as much longer battery life? The 6 is a slim slippery beast that is not comfortable in my hands without a case. Making it even thinner? Why? What for? Do any consumers really ask for that? (and if any of those happens to read this, please explain)

 

[KennethEd]

Apple aren't "late to the party" - they have their own, far more intelligent, less pretentious party, and they don't invite other people to it any more than they'd turn up at this other party which you suppose they are late to. Because you're starting from the erroneous pre-supposition that Apple need to "catch up", any & ALL points under that supposition are moot, and fall on their face. Let the other muppets make a mockery of themselves - they do a superb job of it, whilst simultaneously providing Apple with FREE way of seeing what sticks around and is worthwhile, which they then take, ponder over and refine and reduce until it FAR surpasses alternate, clunky implementations from other vendors.

"Fast charging" is also a quick way to a FAST DEATH for current battery technology. I am a fully qualified electronics engineer, I can tell you that for convenience comes pay-off - early death - "live fast, die young" is entirely apt in this discussion, and for devices that are going to lose most of their value and end up in landfill whilst iPhones are still going on and on for years, retaining a lot of their resale value, I am sure it doesn't matter much, because barely anyone misses a dead, dated, plastic Android phone with a burnt-out battery from impatient users.

If fast charging/wireless charging are the huge deal for Android phones that you imply, then I feel sincerely relieved that I am a supporter and proponent of a platform which puts importance in far more important issues such as optimisation of the battery capacities currently viable for the iPhone, as opposed to the "fast charging" as a "feature" for phones which are so SO embarrassingly poorly optimised so as to need this "feature". I'd say Apple are working on better battery longevity, and are refusing to be distracted from that by seeing how fast they can make crappy batteries charge, which will make them even crappier, (battery physics.)

Apple is about THEIR EXPERIENCE for you, not about copy/pasting gimmicks from flawed platforms because the flawed platforms need them. Look at all the octa-core CPUs LagDroid has and all the huge amounts of RAM, and yet, STILL IT LAGS - I have an Android phone with 8 cores and 2GB RAM (current model called Smart Ultra 6) and it takes FIVE SECONDS to launch Chrome... LMAO!!!!, Google and Android vendors seem to be stuck in a loop of eternally MISSING the point - *experience* - not stupid "projects" like "Project Butter" and "Material Design" (lol!), blowing their own trumpet to show how they're back-tracking in a desperate attempt to fix the junk they didn't design properly. Wow.

Let's put this to a vote - don't take my word for it alone - I am sure the MR masses will vote with their thumbs, if they agree.

Um nobody is talking about Droids. The competition right now is the S7 Edge or Nexus P. Look, you're an eloquent spokesperson for Apple's philosophy. I understand. I made the same argument for years. The problem is that approach, combined with Apple's marketing prowess and massive profitability, is increasingly (and ironically) turning what should be the vanguard of tech into a dumbed down product for the masses. The old stand-by knocks on Android and Samsung that were killers a few years ago just ring a tad too hollow today in any honest fully informed evaluation. I'm not denying Apple is the better choice for average person, especially straight out of the box. I love the "experience" but it has become stale and boring. If you're really into tech and know what you're doing, S7 Edge/Android is where it's at. Apple just isn't trying hard enough. Not when iOS continues to lack basic, common sense features. Not with Marshmellow and the customization/openess it offers. Not when the Google eco is more important to my workflow than the Apple eco. Not with the cool design of the Edge and the extra features it sports, like being able to dunk it under the faucet without fear and being able to pay at any credit card swipe and yes, fast charging. Not with fun toss-ins like GearVR. Not when I'm upgrading phones every year. Based on what we know I have serious doubts Iphone 7 will be enough of a step up. I may get it anyway because I just love phones in general, but it's obvious Apple is consciously disappointing customers like me.

 

[npmacuser5]

Tech specs wars are of little value to me. Could care less what is under the hood. My phone has to meet my needs and if it does thumbs up, if not get one that does. Simple!

 

[I7guy]

Um nobody is talking about Droids. The competition right now is the S7 Edge or Nexus P. Look, you're an eloquent spokesperson for Apple's philosophy. I understand. I made the same argument for years. The problem is that approach, combined with Apple's marketing prowess and massive profitability, is increasingly (and ironically) turning what should be the vanguard of tech into a dumbed down product for the masses. The old stand-by knocks on Android and Samsung that were killers a few years ago just ring a tad too hollow today in any honest fully informed evaluation. I'm not denying Apple is the better choice for average person, especially straight out of the box. I love the "experience" but it has become stale and boring. If you're really into tech and know what you're doing, S7 Edge/Android is where it's at. Apple just isn't trying hard enough. Not when iOS continues to lack basic, common sense features. Not with Marshmellow and the customization/openess it offers. Not when the Google eco is more important to my workflow than the Apple eco. Not with the cool design of the Edge and the extra features it sports, like being able to dunk it under the faucet without fear and being able to pay at any credit card swipe and yes, fast charging. Not with fun toss-ins like GearVR. Not when I'm upgrading phones every year. Based on what we know I have serious doubts Iphone 7 will be enough of a step up. I may get it anyway because I just love phones in general, but it's obvious Apple is consciously disappointing customers like me.

I lead a very complicated, busy and rich and full life and want the kind of "dumbed down" experience the iphone offers. I want to do video calling and texting without a plethora of diverse apps. I want to be able to share my icloud photo albums by tapping a few buttons. I have no need for extensive customization. Turn on reduce transparency and motion and I am good to go.

"Stale and boring" coupled with world class support is exactly what I am looking for. As far as waterproof, the 6s has been quietly made a heck of a lot more water resistant without a lot of hoopla and various videos show it. Phone payment is not a make or break feature with me and the 6s charges fast enough with the 12w charger.

It's obvious you are not in apples target market demographic, enjoy what you want the world is big enough for everybody.

 

[Tomal]

funny thing is s7 with quad hd 1440p display has way way better life than regular iphone 6s/7 will ever have with 750p display. Yap pay up for these apple's efficient designs. Sub par displays and still they dont outlast s7. This is the direction apple is going forward to.

 

[knolan]

Wouldn't it hilarious if the innocent 3.5mm audio connector sunk iPhone, iPad and Apple !

Imagine the history books "...they just didn't realise that what they were producing were Media Devices, but proceeded to remove the port that allowed users to access that Media. it wiped the company out and is regarded as the biggest blunder in industrial history.."

It'd be hilarious for sure !!

 

[DaffyDuck]

I'd just like to contribute my voice here. Apple, it doesn't need to be thinner! It needs a bigger battery and please please keep the headphone jack. No headphone jack = no purchase for me. I played with the Galaxy S7 Edge at work the other day. Gotta say it's going to be very tempting if I can no longer plug my AKGs or Etymotic ER-4s into my phone without a stupid adapter.

 

[loopmein]

Um nobody is talking about Droids. The competition right now is the S7 Edge or Nexus P. Look, you're an eloquent spokesperson for Apple's philosophy. I understand. I made the same argument for years. The problem is that approach, combined with Apple's marketing prowess and massive profitability, is increasingly (and ironically) turning what should be the vanguard of tech into a dumbed down product for the masses. The old stand-by knocks on Android and Samsung that were killers a few years ago just ring a tad too hollow today in any honest fully informed evaluation. I'm not denying Apple is the better choice for average person, especially straight out of the box. I love the "experience" but it has become stale and boring. If you're really into tech and know what you're doing, S7 Edge/Android is where it's at. Apple just isn't trying hard enough. Not when iOS continues to lack basic, common sense features. Not with Marshmellow and the customization/openess it offers. Not when the Google eco is more important to my workflow than the Apple eco. Not with the cool design of the Edge and the extra features it sports, like being able to dunk it under the faucet without fear and being able to pay at any credit card swipe and yes, fast charging. Not with fun toss-ins like GearVR. Not when I'm upgrading phones every year. Based on what we know I have serious doubts Iphone 7 will be enough of a step up. I may get it anyway because I just love phones in general, but it's obvious Apple is consciously disappointing customers like me.

Your opening sentence says you're not taking about droids, and you then proceed to talk - at length - about droids.

Apple is disappointing customers like you? Not all customers are likely to be like you, statistically.

The tired old arguments about "open" and "customisable" are tired and old. Hey, choose and use what you like, I'm in no place to dictate, but Android is nothing short of a horrendous mismatched hardware and software mess, and no amount of typing long paragraphs can counter that fact. All this "material design" is too little too late - Google have about as much taste as a glass of fresh air, and as much vision as Stevie Wonder.

"Open": because no one has the gumption to set strict design philosophy guidelines and enforce them.

"Open": To any passing Trojan or malware.

"Open": Conveniently cuddly sounding and vague, whilst being a gigantic pretentious dung heap.

"Customisable": Taking the job that highly informed designers are paid to do, and handing it off to Joe Schmoe, or just another bullet point for the cuddly "open" brigade?

In ALL successful designs there HAS to be decisions made and adhered to. Fact. That's why Android is such a mess, because Google shirk responsibility, as all they REALLY care about is spreading their virus far and wide to trawl data for their profit margin.

 

[tanfan]

Your opening sentence says you're not taking about droids, and you then proceed to talk - at length - about droids.

Apple is disappointing customers like you? Not all customers are likely to be like you, statistically.

The tired old arguments about "open" and "customisable" are tired and old. Hey, choose and use what you like, I'm in no place to dictate, but Android is nothing short of a horrendous mismatched hardware and software mess, and no amount of typing long paragraphs can counter that fact. All this "material design" is too little too late - Google have about as much taste as a glass of fresh air, and as much vision as Stevie Wonder.

"Open": because no one has the gumption to set strict design philosophy guidelines and enforce them.

"Open": To any passing Trojan or malware.

"Open": Conveniently cuddly sounding and vague, whilst being a gigantic pretentious dung heap.

"Customisable": Taking the job that highly informed designers are paid to do, and handing it off to Joe Schmoe, or just another bullet point for the cuddly "open" brigade?

In ALL successful designs there HAS to be decisions made and adhered to. Fact. That's why Android is such a mess, because Google shirk responsibility, as all they REALLY care about is spreading their virus far and wide to trawl data for their profit margin.

Sorry, but that is just a complete load of crap. Apple has fallen behind plain and simple.

 

[loopmein]

Sorry, but that is just a complete load of crap. Apple has fallen behind plain and simple.

Sure. They're so "far behind" they're the most valuable company in the world, and have the most ubiquitous, easy to use and respected smart phone and tablet platform in the history of computing. If this is "far behind", then I can only surmise that your perception of success is somewhat distorted. You probably make the erroneous assumption that Apple EVER feel the need to "catch up" with anyone. That's plain and simple not what Apple are about, but if it reassures you to think this way, fine, live the delusion.

 

[iLG]

Can we PLEASE get Wireless and Fast Charging. At least Fast Charging. I'm using a Note 5 just to try it out and hate the operating system, but I love how fast it charges lol

Its frustrating how it looks like Fast Charging isn't even on the rumor table according to this article

Fast charging shortens the life of any battery because it causes excessive heat. iPhone can charge faster in aeroplane mode & will still get quite warm

 

[thermodynamic]

"Alleged"? So the battery being flaunted might be for something else?

The "leaks" and "rumors" and "alleged" pieces are not news but a sleazy form of marketing, which has caught on in the industry but I'm sure Apple is proud in being an early adopter of this slimy sort of tactic. Trouble is, if it used to drum up interest at all, all it does now is get everyone to laugh at how bogus the proceedings have become because people are tired of being manipulated.

Samsung listens to its customers with the S7, and then Apple just ignores them and does the complete opposite. Are they serious?

Good companies listen to their customers, since companies are supposed to exist to customer feedback and do something positive, which helps keep existing ones and bring in new ones - via word of mouth. Remember Samsung's S6, which had the SD card removed as well. The outcry was horrendous. Samsung put it back with the S7. The S6 also had pitiful battery life. The S7 is a marked improvement. Samsung did not blame users for the gaffes or said they were using their phones too much. No, Samsung acted like a mature grown-up and did not blame customers, though how the engineers reacted to the S6's design and if they approached the management with concerns is anyone's guess... can't say the same for the iPhone and the antenna issue that was brought to management, who ignored the issue, released the phone, then opted to blame customers by saying they held the thing wrong. :wow:

Bad companies blame them. The iPhone 4 debacle (reported by Wired, Bloomberg, ZDNet, PC World, et al) was resolved by pure chance, but those who kept up with the news and paid attention... as long as the news sources were accurate, obviously, and if not then they are the ones misleading because they have the ultimate responsibility to accurately inform...
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Sure. They're so "far behind" they're the most valuable company in the world, and have the most ubiquitous, easy to use and respected smart phone and tablet platform in the history of computing. If this is "far behind", then I can only surmise that your perception of success is somewhat distorted. You probably make the erroneous assumption that Apple EVER feel the need to "catch up" with anyone. That's plain and simple not what Apple are about, but if it reassures you to think this way, fine, live the delusion.

So Apple has image and veneer to sell. The true illusion.

For now, anyway.

I'm amazed that it didn't lose any of that and the respect that has come with it over the iPhone 4 antenna problem that went to manufacturing and then to blame the customers were holding it wrong... (thankfully there was a quick fix, but the CEO should never have been so misguided as to release the stupid thing, unless he believed he could really get away with blaming the customers, which is not a respectable thing to do either way) or the years' worth of articles discussing child labor and other human rights violations. Which still continue today. So Apple can't say they don't know the problems exist. For being oh so respected, they allow a lot. Of course, people who don't care would if it were their own children involved.

What Apple is about really is far behind, and many articles explain it with more detail than supporters giving the company free lapdog service - here is one example, it did not take long to find, and it spells out one aspect in which Apple is far behind, and while covering numerous related issues - if this is the most valuable company, how badly shambled and creepy conditions are all the competitors?!

http://www.americanmanufacturing.or...-on-american-workers-shows-hes-a-rotten-apple

And I feel true pity if you believe that is delusion.

 

[loopmein]

"Alleged"? So the battery being flaunted might be for something else?

The "leaks" and "rumors" and "alleged" pieces are not news but a sleazy form of marketing, which has caught on in the industry but I'm sure Apple is proud in being an early adopter of this slimy sort of tactic. Trouble is, if it used to drum up interest at all, all it does now is get everyone to laugh at how bogus the proceedings have become because people are tired of being manipulated.



Good companies listen to their customers, since companies are supposed to exist to customer feedback and do something positive, which helps keep existing ones and bring in new ones - via word of mouth. Remember Samsung's S6, which had the SD card removed as well. The outcry was horrendous. Samsung put it back with the S7. The S6 also had pitiful battery life. The S7 is a marked improvement. Samsung did not blame users for the gaffes or said they were using their phones too much. No, Samsung acted like a mature grown-up and did not blame customers, though how the engineers reacted to the S6's design and if they approached the management with concerns is anyone's guess... can't say the same for the iPhone and the antenna issue that was brought to management, who ignored the issue, released the phone, then opted to blame customers by saying they held the thing wrong. :wow:

Bad companies blame them. The iPhone 4 debacle (reported by Wired, Bloomberg, ZDNet, PC World, et al) was resolved by pure chance, but those who kept up with the news and paid attention... as long as the news sources were accurate, obviously, and if not then they are the ones misleading because they have the ultimate responsibility to accurately inform...
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So Apple has image and veneer to sell. The true illusion.

For now, anyway.

I'm amazed that it didn't lose any of that and the respect that has come with it over the iPhone 4 antenna problem that went to manufacturing and then to blame the customers were holding it wrong... (thankfully there was a quick fix, but the CEO should never have been so misguided as to release the stupid thing, unless he believed he could really get away with blaming the customers, which is not a respectable thing to do either way) or the years' worth of articles discussing child labor and other human rights violations. Which still continue today. So Apple can't say they don't know the problems exist. For being oh so respected, they allow a lot. Of course, people who don't care would if it were their own children involved.

What Apple is about really is far behind, and many articles explain it with more detail than supporters giving the company free lapdog service - here is one example, it did not take long to find, and it spells out one aspect in which Apple is far behind, and while covering numerous related issues - if this is the most valuable company, how badly shambled and creepy conditions are all the competitors?!

http://www.americanmanufacturing.or...-on-american-workers-shows-hes-a-rotten-apple

And I feel true pity if you believe that is delusion.

You're right - ALL Apple's customers are completely naive imbeciles, only capable of going on appearances. If Apple execs listened to all the hot air and naysaying BS from folks like you, they'd have lost their morale, shut up shop and retired. Thankfully they're intelligent, thick-skinned and capable of extreme tunnel-vision (a HUGELY underestimated skill), and sell to many people not ALL of whom are the idiots you imply they are.

Trying to avoid sounding mean here, but you sound a tad bitter... and maybe a little... I dunno - jealous of the success of a company which, year after year, manages to DIRECTLY contradict the "predictions" of "analysts" and greedy stock market types.

Somewhat failing to grasp why you're loitering around on an Apple-centric forum, spreading your simplistic message of doom and gloom. Ah well - misery loves company, as they say.

 

[Dennis Furlan]

Besides finally adopting the previously mocked larger screens of its Android competitors with the launch of the iPhone 6, which led to a big increase in sales, is there anything really new coming from Apple's iPhones? Samsung has already conceded that TouchWiz is a perceived weakness and has said it will work more closely with Google to develop hardware that more closely works with Android software. If that does actually happen, what will be the reason to stick with an iPhone? The Apple ecosystem? A simplistic operating system? Really?

 

[loopmein]

Besides finally adopting the previously mocked larger screens of its Android competitors with the launch of the iPhone 6, which led to a big increase in sales, is there anything really new coming from Apple's iPhones? Samsung has already conceded that TouchWiz is a perceived weakness and has said it will work more closely with Google to develop hardware that more closely works with Android software. If that does actually happen, what will be the reason to stick with an iPhone? The Apple ecosystem? A simplistic operating system? Really?

Why does EVERY SINGLE Apple event need to have the flawed presumption of needing to announce something "RE-VO-LOOOO-TIONARY!" - they are a calm, considered, sensible and mindful company who iterate slowly and with great caution and respect for their customer's established patterns of use - do we need our minds "BLOWN!!!!" every single time Tim & Co take to the stage?

The world is too conditioned into thinking like every OTHER tech company and their stupid, piffling gimmicks, the attraction to which wears off as soon as a few weeks have passed, never to be discussed again. If your dumb, numb minds need to be constantly drip-fed a stream of amazement, I pity the people with this ridiculous outlook on life. Go and buy a few KG of sugary sweets, and binge eat them whilst watching some junk TV if you need constant, unfulfilling stimulation.

Toilet roll and matchstick manufacturers are successful, even though they don't exactly make revolutions in their respective fields, nor announce them on stage. People still buy them - use them - that is a measure of their success. You people build your hopes up WAY too much, expecting way too much, and then, by contrast, the deflation you feel, you translate into Apple having "Failed".
I'd love to see ONE QUARTER of the success of Apple from one HUNDREDTH of the people who ridicule them - can you not just accept that considered, iterative refinement is a long-term benefit over brain candy?

LOL!

 

[Dennis Furlan]

Why does EVERY SINGLE Apple event need to have the flawed presumption of needing to announce something "RE-VO-LOOOO-TIONARY!" - they are a calm, considered, sensible and mindful company who iterate slowly and with great caution and respect for their customer's established patterns of use - do we need our minds "BLOWN!!!!" every single time Tim & Co take to the stage?

The world is too conditioned into thinking like every OTHER tech company and their stupid, piffling gimmicks, the attraction to which wears off as soon as a few weeks have passed, never to be discussed again. If your dumb, numb minds need to be constantly drip-fed a stream of amazement, I pity the people with this ridiculous outlook on life.

Toilet roll and matchstick manufacturers are successful, even though they don't exactly make revolutions in their respective fields, nor announce them on stage. People still buy them - use them - that is a measure of their success. You people build your hopes up WAY too much, expecting way too much, and then, by contrast, the deflation you feel, you translate into Apple having "Failed".

LOL!

If you actually read what I wrote, I was asking about anything really new, not revolutionary. The iPhone 6's larger screens were significantly new, but obviously not revolutionary. Nothing in the 6S or rumoured iPhone 7 specs is, in my opinion, new. But if you think complacency is a recipe for success in the cutthroat smartphone sector, I suggest you look up Blackberry and Nokia in the tech history books. See how that worked out.

 

[loopmein]

If you actually read what I wrote, I was asking about anything really new, not revolutionary. The iPhone 6's larger screens were significantly new, but obviously not revolutionary. Nothing in the 6S or rumoured iPhone 7 specs is, in my opinion, new. But if you think complacency is a recipe for success in the cutthroat smartphone sector, I suggest you look up Blackberry and Nokia in the tech history books. See how that worked out.

Apple are acutely aware of themselves and what they're going to do next, far and beyond ANY timescale or vision you could ever imagine them being able to have, above and beyond any awareness ANYONE outside Apple thinks they are "insightful" enough to have about Apple, they really don't know any more than the scraps they're fed. If you sincerely believe Apple are complacent, okay - I think they'll be more than happy to live with it.

 

[Dennis Furlan]

Apple are acutely aware of themselves and what they're going to do next, far and beyond ANY timescale or vision you could ever imagine them being able to have, above and beyond any awareness ANYONE outside Apple thinks they are "insightful" enough to have about Apple, they really don't know any more than the scraps they're fed. If you sincerely believe Apple are complacent, okay - I think they'll be more than happy to live with it.

Well, your faith in Apple might well border on worship, I tend to think corporations are very flawed myself. I also base my views on fact and observation. You? Prayer? Lucky charms?

 

[loopmein]

Well, your faith in Apple might well border on worship, I tend to think corporations are very flawed myself. I also base my views on fact and observation. You? Prayer? Lucky charms?

Apple do not behave like any old corporation - they behave like a startup. I'd argue YOUR perception of them, by bundling them in with other corps, is the flawed perspective here. Clearly your knowledge of Apple and their ethics is flaky at best. Nice work resorting to ad-hom, enjoy your day, and enjoy not having to converse with me further.

Your behaviour is tedious and often seen online, thinking you're the fount of universal truth and absolutes, being the point of reference around which the universe must pivot. Painfully arrogant, but so much so to be laughable.

 

[Dennis Furlan]

Apple do not behave like any old corporation - they behave like a startup. I'd argue YOUR perception of them, by bundling them in with other corps, is the flawed perspective here. Clearly your knowledge of Apple and their ethics is flaky at best. Nice work resorting to ad-hom, enjoy your day, and enjoy not having to converse with me further.

Your behaviour is tedious and often seen online, thinking you're the fount of universal truth and absolutes, being the point of reference around which the universe must pivot. Painfully arrogant, but so much so to be laughable.

I think you're weird. Bye.

 

[loopmein]

I think you're weird. Bye.

I enjoy being weird, that's a compliment, thank you
Adios, Amigo.