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2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020 - these laptops are too thin, come on Apple stop with the form over function, give us a slightly bigger machine with more power and better battery life

2021 - this is way to big, how chunky? Come on Apple this is far too big and heavy
That's what I always say when people ask for/want more battery (aka thicker and heavier), that really is a case of "you think you do, but you don't".
 
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Why is it needed, so users don't forget what model they're using?
Having that logo there has been part of Apple’s design language for the MacBook Pro, I’d like to know their design relational for removing it. I seem to recall there was a previous iteration of the Pro at some point where they removed the logo, and then they put it back, now its gone again.
 
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Sorry but this is a lame excuse, and it seems everyone who is excited about these new laptops is using exactly this line, as if it’s always got to be a trade between form and function. Apple products have become renowned and are expensive exactly because they balance the form with the function. The USP of MacBook’s is you get better function than a windows machine and also a better design. If all ‘Pros’ really actually cared about was how fast the processor was, how much memory it had and the amount of volume available for cooling then they would most likely join the specification rat race that is the PC world. I get that the form and the function needs to be balanced, but all the indications from the reactions in this forum are that Apple have sacrificed too much style and aesthetic at the altar for what appears to be not much more function. The majority feel that this is just a fugly machine, because it is. And it’s hard to imagine most people will truly benefit from the tiny additional screen real estate that this notch is going to provide.

Bringing back some legacy ports (because it is only HDMI 2.0) will be considered ‘Pro’ for some and less ‘Pro’ for others. My business made the switch to USBC five years ago so all our equipment uses this port type. From my point of view I can plug less devices into these new machines.
I fundamentally disagree with every point you’ve tried to make.

Let’s break it down.

You say:

If all ‘Pros’ really actually cared about was how fast the processor was, how much memory it had and the amount of volume available for cooling then they would most likely join the specification rat race that is the PC world.

Most Pros don’t care about any of this. What they care about it getting the job done. Computers are tools. Means to an end. Regardless of specs or design, the question that will be asked is “Can I do my work better with this device?”

all the indications from the reactions in this forum are that Apple have sacrificed too much style and aesthetic at the altar for what appears to be not much more function

This is your personal opinion masquerading as majority opinion. Dare I say gaslighting even? Even if what you stated were true, how many members of these forums are actually buying one of these machines? How many are professionals, in the sense that they use their MacBooks to make money? I don’t know and neither do you. However my takeaway from the reaction since Monday’s announcement is that some people have some concerns about a few things but your assertion that these new MacBooks have ‘not much more function’ is absurd.

The majority feel that this is just a fugly machine, because it is

Once again, it‘s your opinion and not the objectively the majority opinion. It may not be Apple’s most pleasing aesthetic design but put it alongside almost any competitor’s like-for-like offering and it would win-out in a beauty contest.

My business made the switch to USBC five years ago

Exclusively USB-C in 2016? Yeah, okay…

Look, this computer is not going to be the right choice for everybody. It’s not supposed to be. And, in my opinion, that’s a good thing. Apple have, for quite a number of years now, tried to please too many people with each product launch especially in the Mac lineup. The biggest example being the ‘trash-can’ Mac Pro. While an amazing piece of industrial design, it completely missed the mark in terms of utility and its supposed target audience.

If you want a pretty, small, light yet still extremely-capable laptop, the 13” MacBook Pro and MacBook Airs are still available with the latter likely to soon see a refresh. If, however, you want a laptop designed for getting heavy-lifting done then the new MacBook Pros are hopefully a very solid choice. No, the notch won’t be to everybody’s liking but overall there’s very little of substance to complain about. HDMI 2.0 might be a little disappointing but, outside of gaming, is anybody really crying out for 4K@120Hz? If so, there’s the option of DisplayPort over USB-C. The inclusion of an HDMI port is great for hooking up to a projector or display screen for a presentation. So, not ideal, but a showstopper for very few and one fewer dongle to carry around.
 
Having that logo there has been part of Apple’s design language for the MacBook Pro, I’d like to know their design relational for removing it. I seem to recall there was a previous iteration of the Pro at some point where they removed the logo, and then they put it back, now its gone again.
Sorry, but it hasn't been a constant part of Apple's design language at all. I have a 15" 2013 rMBP here that does NOT have any branding on the bezel.
 
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I fundamentally disagree with every point you’ve tried to make.

Let’s break it down.

You say:



Most Pros don’t care about any of this. What they care about it getting the job done. Computers are tools. Means to an end. Regardless of specs or design, the question that will be asked is “Can I do my work better with this device?”



This is your personal opinion masquerading as majority opinion. Dare I say gaslighting even? Even if what you stated were true, how many members of these forums are actually buying one of these machines? How many are professionals, in the sense that they use their MacBooks to make money? I don’t know and neither do you. However my takeaway from the reaction since Monday’s announcement is that some people have some concerns about a few things but your assertion that these new MacBooks have ‘not much more function’ is absurd.



Once again, it‘s your opinion and not the objectively the majority opinion. It may not be Apple’s most pleasing aesthetic design but put it alongside almost any competitor’s like-for-like offering and it would win-out in a beauty contest.



Exclusively USB-C in 2016? Yeah, okay…

Look, this computer is not going to be the right choice for everybody. It’s not supposed to be. And, in my opinion, that’s a good thing. Apple have, for quite a number of years now, tried to please too many people with each product launch especially in the Mac lineup. The biggest example being the ‘trash-can’ Mac Pro. While an amazing piece of industrial design, it completely missed the mark in terms of utility and its supposed target audience.

If you want a pretty, small, light yet still extremely-capable laptop, the 13” MacBook Pro and MacBook Airs are still available with the latter likely to soon see a refresh. If, however, you want a laptop designed for getting heavy-lifting done then the new MacBook Pros are hopefully a very solid choice. No, the notch won’t be to everybody’s liking but overall there’s very little of substance to complain about. HDMI 2.0 might be a little disappointing but, outside of gaming, is anybody really crying out for 4K@120Hz? If so, there’s the option of DisplayPort over USB-C. The inclusion of an HDMI port is great for hooking up to a projector or display screen for a presentation. So, not ideal, but a showstopper for very few and one fewer dongle to carry around.
Oh yeah gaslighting, that’s actually a first for me on any forum. I’m not making stuff up mate. Might I suggest that you get off your soup box and do what I did, which is to read every comment on this thread before you add your own remarks. Then you will see that my ‘opinion’ is also a lot of other peoples opinion too on this thread. Go on, count them. You’ll see more people either dislike, or are ambivalent to this design than love it. For a brand new MacBook Pro that is saying something.

I’ve said several times the power of these machines will make them sell well. But the design is a major disappointment. I can see no ‘pro’ benefit to having a notch, and if you can then I’m sure it would also justify a touchbar which has been removed.
 
Oh yeah gaslighting, that’s actually a first for me on any forum. I’m not making stuff up mate. Might I suggest that you get off your soup box and do what I did, which is to read every comment on this thread before you add your own remarks. Then you will see that my ‘opinion’ is also a lot of other peoples opinion too on this thread. Go on, count them. You’ll see more people either dislike, or are ambivalent to this design than love it. For a brand new MacBook Pro that is saying something.

I’ve said several times the power of these machines will make them sell well. But the design is a major disappointment. I can see no ‘pro’ benefit to having a notch, and if you can then I’m sure it would also justify a touchbar which has been removed.
That here are more people here that dislike the new design is normal. People with gripes tend to vocalise. People who are happy with something are usually not as present.
MacRumors after all is a place of vinegar peeing sour pusses :)
 
Oh yeah gaslighting, that’s actually a first for me on any forum. I’m not making stuff up mate. Might I suggest that you get off your soup box and do what I did, which is to read every comment on this thread before you add your own remarks. Then you will see that my ‘opinion’ is also a lot of other peoples opinion too on this thread. Go on, count them. You’ll see more people either dislike, or are ambivalent to this design than love it. For a brand new MacBook Pro that is saying something.

I’ve said several times the power of these machines will make them sell well. But the design is a major disappointment. I can see no ‘pro’ benefit to having a notch, and if you can then I’m sure it would also justify a touchbar which has been removed.

Why you worry for the notch. As you can see, center of my menu bar is empty anyway. Even if a notch appears there, there was nothing anyway. So notch doesn't bother in any way. I could take same screenshot on my current notebook (Macbook pro 2019) and the notch location is empty there as well. Why you'd worry for empty space? If it can house camera and reduce bezels, increase screen square, i see only positives in that, actually that would be efficient use of screen estate.

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I wonder how long they will keep the 13 inch MacBook Pro going? From a thermal point of view the M1 doesn’t seem to break a sweat and so far I’ve rarely even had the fan on despite some significant loads during some big compiles. Hard to imagine it couldn’t support something like M1 Pro or even Max, and would be a life line to those who really hate the notch and love the touchbar. Probably wishful thinking though.
I wouldn't mind them keeping the 13in MacBook Pro around with the Touch Bar. I love my 13inch especially since it remains silent and cool most the time.
 
Oh yeah gaslighting, that’s actually a first for me on any forum. I’m not making stuff up mate. Might I suggest that you get off your soup box and do what I did, which is to read every comment on this thread before you add your own remarks. Then you will see that my ‘opinion’ is also a lot of other peoples opinion too on this thread. Go on, count them. You’ll see more people either dislike, or are ambivalent to this design than love it. For a brand new MacBook Pro that is saying something.

I’ve said several times the power of these machines will make them sell well. But the design is a major disappointment. I can see no ‘pro’ benefit to having a notch, and if you can then I’m sure it would also justify a touchbar which has been removed.
This might come as a shock to you but Macrumors forum does not equal the entire world. I mean, the iPhones with notch have sold hundreds of millions, but if you believe the people commenting online, it's an atrocity.

The absolute negativity that online forums are these days makes them of no value to me. It's "cool" to be negative and trash everything.
 
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Whats really bugging my OCD is the ACTUAL curve gradient of the notch to the edge of display of the MacBook Pro, it looks to square to me at the corners not like the iPhone that's more rounder (softer looking) and mirrors the opposite corner gradient of its display.

Then to further bug me the bottom edge of the panel has 90 degree corners ?


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Yeah the iPhone notch looks more anatomic soft and easier on the eyes.
The Notchbook notch simply looks off, like if there is something wrong with it, but you’re right it’s the corner radius.

I would prefer bezels like the iPad Pro.
 
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Because they've increased the height of the menu bar, which still can't contain more than a single row of text/icons, to ensure it's deeper than the notch. In other words, you lose height across the entire monitor in Apple's attempt to "hide" the notch.
No you didn't lose that height. You gained it. Apple has been making 16:10 displays forever. Without the notch that is what they would have made. All the did now is to make a 16:10 display under the notch with some extra real estate above it.
 
Looks like the pre-retina/white MacBook design.

Anyway, as someone who really doesn’t need all that power, I really am looking forward for the 2022 MacBook Air.
 
Because they've increased the height of the menu bar, which still can't contain more than a single row of text/icons, to ensure it's deeper than the notch. In other words, you lose height across the entire monitor in Apple's attempt to "hide" the notch.
Are you sure that you “lose” height? I thought with the menu bar moving to the sides of the notch, you gain that vertical space where it was used to be.
 
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I bought the 16" for various reasons, but I'll admit, the 14" looks better, with the keyboard closer to the sides.
 
You can see how much higher off the desk the bottom of the body is due to the increased height of the feet - adds to the illusion of increased thickness, but likely helps with giving the chassis room to breathe for cooling.
I wish more laptops do this. It’s worse in the Windows laptop world where most of them have their ventilations underneath, where it can easily be blocked or restricted.
 
This might come as a shock to you but Macrumors forum does not equal the entire world. I mean, the iPhones with notch have sold hundreds of millions, but if you believe the people commenting online, it's an atrocity.

The absolute negativity that online forums are these days makes them of no value to me. It's "cool" to be negative and trash everything.
Yeah, just like how many people here bashing the iPhone XR because of “720p display,” yet it’s best selling.
 
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