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Looks stupid ?‍♂️? what's the point of having a thick black bar cover the notch from end to end, it's like you're using the previous 16" model. ?
Except on the previous model, if you called up the menu bar in full screen mode, it would drop down and squish your media. Now if you call it up in full screen mode, it takes up the space aside the notch so you still have your full full screen mode without the squishing.
 
Apple has delivered even exceeding the expectations we all hoped for with these new powerful machines
However, I agree with some of those who criticized the new design…
Aesthetically speaking it looks like there is some design flaws.
Bottom part has a more retro look with rounded edges raised by really chunky round feet…
whereas the screen part looks more modern with straight edges like the new iPads
These two contradicting styles make them look uneven.
And the notch looks like **** when not camouflaged in dark mode (functionality and the clever use of dead menu bar space aside).
That said I have already ordered the 16” super excited!

I cant see the sales or reviews being remotely hurt by a couple of opinion led design issues but then I always say here God himself could design an apple product and the MR Faithful wouldn't like an edge or the colour or the symmetry or the lack of..or the price .....or its not as good as the last one........or......
 
Because they've increased the height of the menu bar, which still can't contain more than a single row of text/icons, to ensure it's deeper than the notch. In other words, you lose height across the entire monitor in Apple's attempt to "hide" the notch.
And how many pixels you lose exactly? Really, does it matter? Would the MBP be better without the notch? Of course, it is a bit annoying but the notch is not something that ruins your experience or represents a major handicap. If you want to cry, do it for something that really impacts you in any meaningful way, for example lacking certain ports, performance in certain tasks or MacOs compatibility with certain software/hardware.
 
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This might come as a shock to you but Macrumors forum does not equal the entire world. I mean, the iPhones with notch have sold hundreds of millions, but if you believe the people commenting online, it's an atrocity.

The absolute negativity that online forums are these days makes them of no value to me. It's "cool" to be negative and trash everything.

I don't think its just this forum somehow....


I could go on but I think you get the point. MacBook Pros getting a notch is quite newsworthy and many people think it looks ugly and serves no useful purpose that justifies this design decision. Not just on this forum, and not just on forums. So it doesn't come as a shock to me that MacRumours does not equal the entire world, fortunately I am not so blinkered.

A notch makes sense on a small device like an iPhone where you need every mm of screen real estate, but even so, people are clamouring for the day that the notch is removed. We accept the notch on the iPhone, which is not the same as liking it (although no doubt there are some that do). When Apple introduced a notch into the iPhone it came with a killer new feature, FaceID. Maybe if the new laptops also had FaceID it would go someway to justifying this 'pro' notch 'feature' as so many people seem to believe it is...

Finally I'm glad you get no value in these forums yet continue to contribute. I guess that is 'cool' too?
 
I cant see the sales or reviews being remotely hurt by a couple of opinion led design issues but then I always say here God himself could design an apple product and the MR Faithful wouldn't like an edge or the colour or the symmetry or the lack of..or the price .....or its not as good as the last one........or......
It will sell fine, simply because there is no alternative in the mobile mac world.
But if you fictively put a Notchbook beside a non-notched with slightly bigger bezel e.g like the iPad Pro, but same spec, same price, the non-notched ones would go far more over the table.
 
Because they've increased the height of the menu bar, which still can't contain more than a single row of text/icons, to ensure it's deeper than the notch. In other words, you lose height across the entire monitor in Apple's attempt to "hide" the notch.
You don’t though. The screen is 74 pixels taller than the outgoing screen and the notch and wider menu bar live in that 74 pixels. You have more space now that the menu bar is out of the way. And you have the same space in full screen mode except when you call up the menu. In that scenario the menu is called up in the extra pixel zone instead of dropping down to squish your menu like it does now… so you still have more space than you do now.
 
I don't think its just this forum somehow....


I could go on but I think you get the point. MacBook Pros getting a notch is quite newsworthy and many people think it looks ugly and serves no useful purpose that justifies this design decision. Not just on this forum, and not just on forums. So it doesn't come as a shock to me that MacRumours does not equal the entire world, fortunately I am not so blinkered.

A notch makes sense on a small device like an iPhone where you need every mm of screen real estate, but even so, people are clamouring for the day that the notch is removed. We accept the notch on the iPhone, which is not the same as liking it (although no doubt there are some that do). When Apple introduced a notch into the iPhone it came with a killer new feature, FaceID. Maybe if the new laptops also had FaceID it would go someway to justifying this 'pro' notch 'feature' as so many people seem to believe it is...

Finally I'm glad you get no value in these forums yet continue to contribute. I guess that is 'cool' too?
What part of "online forums" didn't you understand? That is not limited to Macrumors, and you do realize that a negative headline about Apple generates way more clicks. So again, not something I value at all.

And I feel sorry for you that you only seem to value your opinion if lots of other agree with it. Personally I do not care about that at all.
 
...and the high price.
the base comes with double of RAM and storage, HDR mLED, new CPU and new GPU, magsafe cable, new FHD camera. I think i can justify the price because I have 2019 Intel 13 inch macbook and thinking of new 14 inch. Yes, also screen is larger.
And 13 inch model is still available for same price (or discounted), with new M1 as well.
 
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I don't think its just this forum somehow....


I could go on but I think you get the point. MacBook Pros getting a notch is quite newsworthy and many people think it looks ugly and serves no useful purpose that justifies this design decision. Not just on this forum, and not just on forums. So it doesn't come as a shock to me that MacRumours does not equal the entire world, fortunately I am not so blinkered.

A notch makes sense on a small device like an iPhone where you need every mm of screen real estate, but even so, people are clamouring for the day that the notch is removed. We accept the notch on the iPhone, which is not the same as liking it (although no doubt there are some that do). When Apple introduced a notch into the iPhone it came with a killer new feature, FaceID. Maybe if the new laptops also had FaceID it would go someway to justifying this 'pro' notch 'feature' as so many people seem to believe it is...

Finally I'm glad you get no value in these forums yet continue to contribute. I guess that is 'cool' too?
Exactly, Apple is just flipfloping around because they have no vision anymore, and run around in their design labs like lost cockroaches.

They removed all the ports without reason, many people said "Ahh F' Apple where is my HDMI and MagSafe?", and they kept trying this way for about 6 years, pissing users on. Now they added all ports back, and people say: Hallelujah!

You probably find older MR comments (comments defending the ports removal in exchange for dongles) of the same people who are now welcoming back the HDMI+MagSafe.

The same will happen with the Notch on these Notchbooks.
Once they end this B? experiment, people will say: Hallelujah!, even the ones who are now defending the Notch.

As you said, in addition to this, the iPhone Notch was some kind of "form follows function".
The Notchbook Notch is "form follows nothing".
 
I'm guessing these new Macbooks will help Apple sell more Macs in a single quarter than ever before.

Yeah it's a notch-book. No argument there.

But it's also a port-book... and a MagSafe-book... and a no-touchbar-book... and a finally-not-absurdly-thin-book... and a won't-burn-my-legs-book... and a fans-don't-spin-constantly-book... etc.

You know... it fixes most of the things people have complained about the Macbook Pro from 2016-2020. Oh and it'll probably be ridiculously fast and efficient. Intel who? Apple makes incredible chips nowadays. And screens too.

I think there's way more reasons to get these new Macbooks... than not to get them.

Or you can just get a Dell laptop. Some of them let you flip the keyboard around backwards so you touch the keys when you try to use it as a 3 pound tablet! Nice!

:p
 
It‘s not a dealbreaker, but I‘m just not very excited for this new design. The roundedness of the chassis looks outdated for me (don‘t care about the thickness), the notch looks much more out of place than on a phone and then the menu bar doesn‘t even have the same height.
What if this is someone at Apple’s sneaky way of planting the seeds for an excuse to add thinness one year soon? :eek:

Or, intentional blandness this year in order to create excitement via a slightly edgier, “prettier” case in two years. Why do automakers saddle their base trim level for a given car model with plain Jane alloy wheels and limit the nicer looking alloy wheels to the more expensive model trim levels.

#conspiracy

#jonystayaway
 
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I'm guessing these new Macbooks will help Apple sell more Macs in a single quarter than ever before.

Yeah it's a notch-book. No argument there.

But it's also a port-book... and a MagSafe-book... and a no-touchbar-book... and a finally-not-absurdly-thin-book... and a won't-burn-my-legs-book... and a fans-don't-spin-constantly-book... etc.

You know... it fixes most of the things people have complained about the Macbook Pro from 2016-2020. Oh and it'll probably be ridiculously fast and efficient. Intel who? Apple makes incredible chips nowadays. And screens too.

I think there's way more reasons to get these new Macbooks... than not to get them.

Or you can just get a Dell laptop. Some of them let you flip the keyboard around backwards so you touch the keys when you try to use it as a 3 pound tablet! Nice!

:p

Yeah they partly fixed what people have complained for long, and introduced another hated thing(The Notch), and people will complain for the next 5 years.

Why not simply stop doing these senseless experiments and offer "normal" MacBooks with modern internals?

Whats next? The return of headphone jack on iPhones? I would laugh my ass off.

They simply have no vision anymore!
 
What if this is someone at Apple’s sneaky way of planting the seeds for an excuse to add thinness one year soon? :eek:

Or, intentional blandness this year in order to create excitement via a slightly edgier, “prettier” case in two years. Why do automakers saddle their base trim level for a given car model with plain Jane alloy wheels and limit the nicer looking alloy wheels to the more expensive model trim levels.

#conspiracy

#jonystayaway
I hope not. Otherwise, all my future proofing upgrades will be for notch, I mean, nought ?
 
the base comes with double of RAM and storage, HDR mLED, new CPU and new GPU, magsafe cable, new FHD camera. I think i can justify the price because I have 2019 Intel 13 inch macbook and thinking of new 14 inch. Yes, also screen is larger.
And 13 inch model is still available for same price (or discounted), with new M1 as well.
But you know, the price of tech does go down every year right? 1tb of ssd costs 500+ usd 8 yrs ago. Not it cost how much? And a lot faster.
 
But you know, the price of tech does go down every year right? 1tb of ssd costs 500+ usd 8 yrs ago. Not it cost how much? And a lot faster.
The price goes down if the speed stays the same. But when the speed goes up to say 7.5 GB/s then the price won't go down!
 
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Like I said... there's always Dell...

;)
Well, it's not about Dell or not, let's put the platform battle aside, I own many platforms as a dev and use all of them.
It's about introducing a new senseless trade-off.

They could have made 2-3mm thicker bezels without the notch, in a iPad Pro style, it's not like the technical possibilities doesn't exist yet.

The Notchbook is a design failure, and will go as one into history, just like the Touchbar.
It's also about time for Apple to re-introduce decent full sized cursor keys on >=14".
 
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What part of "online forums" didn't you understand? That is not limited to Macrumors, and you do realize that a negative headline about Apple generates way more clicks. So again, not something I value at all.

And I feel sorry for you that you only seem to value your opinion if lots of other agree with it. Personally I do not care about that at all.
Oh wow, you can’t win. I express my opinion and I’m told it’s invalid because it’s not shared by others so I point out that it’s actually shared by many others and now I need my opinions validated by others to value them?
 
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To be honest i don't mind the thickness but that keyboard... i don't feel that black on black design. The previous one looked more premium imo.
Also do we remember that time people said that we might get more powerful, thinner, lighter and cheaper Macbooks with Apple Silicon because they won't have to pay Intel and AMD?
Well... at least we got one thing that most of us wanted - the power of Apple Silicon.
 
Regardless what you think it looks like, it brings great power in a small package. Could be a game changer for mobile workflows.
Even the M1 was already a gamechanger in my book. It forced Intel to do the Evo platform for Intel laptops to think more about thermal and battery properties (although still behind the M1).

If developers of Pro apps are on-board with Apple Silicon, this will set a new benchmark on what one should expect on a laptop.
 
To be honest i don't mind the thickness but that keyboard... i don't feel that black on black design. The previous one looked more premium imo.
Also do we remember that time people said that we might get more powerful, thinner, lighter and cheaper Macbooks with Apple Silicon because they won't have to pay Intel and AMD?
Well... at least we got one thing that most of us wanted - the power of Apple Silicon.
The current Apple will always see to increase their ASP, so "cheaper" won't be in their book. They will intentionally put in more hardware (eg. Promotion) to justify their increase in price.

As for lighter, I think we shall see what the 2022 MacBook Air will be. Apple seems to decide to really separate their consumer and Pro lineup (be it iPad, iPhone, and now MacBook) by increasing the price gap.
 
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