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Horrible design. The all-black keyboard looks worse than the previous iterations. The notch is a disaster. The only good thing they did was remove the Touch Bar - which in itself was a huge misstep when introduced. At least they acknowledged that and got rid of it.
 
It’s gorgeous, for sure, but this time, the MacBook pro is not for me. Not anymore. I’ve been a MacBook pro owner for almost 10 years, but now I am the consumer target for a regular MacBook (Air). Honestly, the M1 (or M2 eventually) is more than enough for me. Also, fanless machines are nice

But to each their own, this is an awesome machine.
 
Does the screen size include the menu bar or not? I've seen some people claim it's 14 inch without, but I can't seem to find an authoritative source for that claim.
 
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Totally not sure looking at the 14" about my 16" now its looks so chunky and awkward on the pictures that I imagine the 16 will look more so...

I am seriously wondering if I should of gone for the 14 but I keep saying to myself the 16 is no bigger than my 2012 Retina 15 and about the same weight, but even so compared to my 2012 the design just looks so wonky I think its the thick lid that putting me off at the moment.
 
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