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New Images Offer Even Closer Look at New 14-Inch MacBook Pro

Such comparisons are just nonsense. Nobody asked for PS/2, eSATA or serial.

The new port situation is a perfect compromise, the best of both worlds: 3x TB4 ports which are high speed and versatile and 3x 'legacy' but standard ports which are convenient for their designated purpose (charging, video, storage). Thats certainly better than before for all users (and that's why Apple listened), minus the small fraction who either value 'minimalistic asthetics' over function, or accustomed to the new USB-C situations and got their dongle cables. But there are a lot of people who have avoided the crappy 2016-2019 models for many good reasons, many of them owning 2012-2015 Retina models, who never got dongles and are more than happy that it stays like that, minus some USB-A devices.

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deevey said:
There's going to be two ways to look at it... I personally think that the menubar being flush would make the notch look far more intrusive rather than letting folk know "hey, you never use this space anyhow".
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Not really because you can tell that the menu bar is now thicker than before. If you make it flush you still let folks know "hey you never use this space anyhow" because the notch does not intrude into your work space anyway, with the added benefit it won't be glaringly obvious because it is not noticeably thicker than previous. I also don't believe in catering to the lowest common denominator.
 
Tagbert said:
No, design is often about subtle things and about working with human visual systems. Aligning the bottom of the menu with the notch would tend to make the notch look bigger. Kind of like wearing horizontal striped clothes. Also there is a design problem called the tangent effect where a line intersecting a curve can cause strange visual distortions. It can be better to offset the line by a few pixels to avoid that problem.

Believe it or not, if you step back and look at how the OS works with the notch and how the design works with the notch, Apple has thought about this and has tried to address some of the problems. The notch is a compromise to gain more screen space why improving the camera. Just like in the phone, Apple would prefer the notch not be there but until they can work out smaller components or under screen cameras, the notch is a reasonable solution that brings some benefits.

It will help when these things are finally shipping and are in stores and we can try them out for ourselves. Based on the bits we have seen, I think once you can play around with this you will see that it is more coherent and well thought out that you get from blurry amatuer videos and a few closeup marketing renders.
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Strongly disagree, the net effect is that it makes the non usable work space portion of the screen appear even bigger.
 
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Serban55 said:
No, the SW design is impeccable because from that menu bar begins the full 16:10 aspect ratio full native 2x scaling pixels
You dont want the notch with slimmer bezels to mess up with your display real estate and full app scaling
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Yeah and you don't think that wouldn't have been achievable if it was designed around the menu bar being flush with the notch? Turn your brain on.
 
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Everyone complaining about the weight of these new thiccc macbooks, just get the m1 macbook air. Seriously.
 
geotbozo said:
Sorry I don't know photography 101. I saw the MBP in the store, but I was in a rush so I took some photos to share with MacRumors. Wasn't trying to win any awards.
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Sorry, I could have been more diplomatic and wasn’t really intending to personally attack the person who took the pictures - but people here are concluding that the Mac looks “thick“ without noticing the exaggerated perspective in these shots - and others that have been posted in other threads.
 
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eno12 said:
This pro is meant for many types of professionals. Only a portion of photographers care about SD cards. Lots are using other formats, for example CF.

HDMI is useful for those who need to do presentations or connect to TVs. But, most of them have already adapted to carrying a USB-C to HDMI cable or adapter. I have one in my work backpack at all times just in case. Never had to use it as every meeting, conference, etc I have been to in the last 5 years (not a small number) has already had one. Every conference room at work has USB-C, HDMI, DP, mini-DP, and VGA adapters. All our monitors are DP (which is superior to HDMI). Sorry, but it is not *most* but a small and vocal minority. They got their wish and now we are down a TB4 port for it. Not a good trade-off. A port that supports DP-2.0 (and HDMI-2, or whatever you want) lost for HDMI-2.0. Bah!
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So you think YOUR use case is the use case for almost everybody? Cool, got it. Narcissism in full effect
 
Man given all that this baby better have some serious StayCool (tm) thermals... wicking heat like my Lululemon shirt on a marathon run...

If the new MBP has bad thermals then I think it should be open insult season on everyone at AAPL
 
I'm curious how the top bar adapts to scaling. I always put scaling on the highest level of 'more space'. Does the bar shrink and thus the notch becomes noticeable or does it stay the same size throughout all the scaled resolutions?
 
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The notch looks ridiculous! It looks like someone stuck a piece of black electrical tape on the screen to hide a scratch or hold together a crack. Or, used a black magic marker to hide a blemish.

It reminds me of Charlie Chaplin in The Great Dictator — or a small version of Groucho Marx's painted-on mustache! It's a joke and not in keeping with Apple's aesthetic sensibilities!

The small gain in screen area at the top isn't worth it. The display or bezels should have been slightly larger — or Apple's engineers needed to earn their keep by fitting the better camera into a smaller area.

Definitely a black mark against the Apple laptop line!

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Saturn007 said:
The display or bezels should have been slightly larger — or Apple's engineers needed to earn their keep by fitting the better camera into a smaller area.
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Just typing this on my Intel 16" - the bezel at the top isn't that wide on mine (I can hardly notice any difference between mine and the new MBP), and when you're using the laptop it fades into the background when the screen is illuminated anyway.

So now instead there's a big black hole in the menu bar, right in the middle where your eyes rest, just so they can shave off a couple of mm of bezel (or maybe it's to accommodate a bigger camera?).

Definitely not one of Apple's best design ideas IMHO. Weird.
 
People are posting that you can’t compare the bezels on other laptops, since their cameras are inferior. Ok, but I am still not sure I understand why the notch was necessary. When I look at the small bezel on the iPad Pro with an excellent FaceID front facing camera, I kind of wonder why Apple didn’t just go that route and use an existing design and technology that is already in mass production.

Again, I am not trying to be snarky, I must just be missing some hardware limitation or constraint that forced the notch design decision.
 
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Mainsail said:
When I look at the small bezel on the iPad Pro with an excellent FaceID front facing camera, I kind of wonder why Apple didn’t just go that route and use an existing design and technology that is already in mass production.
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The iPad Pro is noticeably thicker than the lid of the MBP. I'd rather have a notch than make the lid thicker to re-use the same camera, although if they had done that we'd at least have FaceID.
 
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adrianlondon said:
The iPad Pro is noticeably thicker than the lid of the MBP. I'd rather have a notch than make the lid thicker to re-use the same camera, although if they had done that we'd at least have FaceID.
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got it, thickness of the lid does seems like a reasonable explanation for why they could not just use the same camera setup as the iPad Pro.
 
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CosmoCopus said:
Thanks for the link… but it’s only compatible with M1 Mac using windows 10,11 Arm, right? Or am I reading it wrong?
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According to the Parallels product page... you are correct:

Supported Guest Operating Systems (Mac with Apple M1 chip):​

Only ARM versions of operating systems are supported.

  • Windows 11 on ARM Insider Preview
  • Windows 10 on ARM Insider Preview
 
SouthPalito said:
this is what "pros" wanted: all the ports back, long battery life and the old keyboard style. They got their wish.
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Yes, for sure, but it doesn’t look good. Seems like they could have designed it better. It looks clunky and somehow the metal looks cheap. I haven’t seen one in person yet though, but just going by the pictures I’m not liking the look of it.
 
polyphenol said:
A thread full of comments saying how only Apple has gone for a notch. And you suggest it could be confused with any other company's products?

The notch is, and I hate using this word, iconic. It immediately identifies one of these from every other on the planet. Probably from the best part of a thousand paces.

Any company which now introduces a notch will be scorned as trying to build a Mac-alike.

(And a machine running Windows would have its own issues managing the software side of things unless Microsoft put some work into supporting notches.)
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Notch is a practical annoyance not an iconic design ?
 
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