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To those complaining... no... WHINING about the return of some thickness, MagSafe, SD slot, and HDMI slot, and perhaps even the loss of the TouchBar, I pose a question:

How's it feel?

Welcome to our 2016.

Five years later, Apple proves that they were at least SIX years too early for a one-port-type Pro machine with no function keys to be acceptable.

I'm sure even their own employees were like: "Hey Tim? This is BS. Can we please fix this machine?"

And Tim was like: "I hear you, but let's get rid of this stupid-ass tube first and build a real Mac Pro for Pro Pros. And a couple of years later, we'll BLOW THEIR MINDS with a couple of chips and a proper Pro laptop or two."
 
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Nah just the default non-scaled macOS resolution.
When you select 'Scaled" in System Preferences > Displays > Default is what we're seeing here. Change to Show more space and I'm sure the menu bar's bottom Line will be just at the bottom of the notch. Still late 2022 update to these models may get rid of the notch all-together who knows. Apple has been listening and this is the biggest outcry of these models nothing else.
I hope they do end up with a preference item that allows someone to turn the extended display area (“notch”) off. But I hope that preference allows us the option of keeping the notch if we want to get the benefit of the added space….
 
You probably won't notice at all. For work I use some pretty fat and chunky Lenovo machines. Never noticed the height.
The taper on the old design was only on the edge of the lid and on the bottom of the case. The actual keyboard area was not tapered. Those tapers were just a visual trick to make the box look slimmer and they obviously did that, but they also reduced the space inside. that limited the space for battery and for cooling. Those babies ran hot! With this new design they removed the tapered lid and tapered bottom of the case which gave more room inside for battery and for the cooling system.
I used to put silicon feet on my 2006 MBP?…my wrist didn’t appreciate, now my 2018 gets “….” Hot. So I’m all for better thermals but worried about the feet. Not a fan of the design though?, namely that generic keyboard.
 
In my opinion Apple built one of their best MacBook Pro's ever. You have everything what you need (or what I need).

HDMI port:
How often I forget my dongle on the desk or had to present spontaneously in a meeting and had no adapter. Or sitting in a datacenter and want to connect to the monitor in the rack which has HDMI.
--> Perfect

SD card slot:
Working with a D850 and normal I have a CF Express adapter but now I can just use the SD card which works as a backup card in the camera. No adapter needed.
--> perfect

Magsafe:
What should I say, the magsafe ist something I really loved on my old MacBooks and I really missed on the first USB-C MacBooks. Now its back, but I can still charge via TB4 ports if I connect the MacBook Pro to my Dell 4021qw.
--> perfect

We have still three TB4 ports, in my opinion more than enough for alle types of connections.

The only downside is, that Apple is using HDMI 2.0 instead of 2.1. We only get 4K@60Hz and not 4k/8k@120Hz. But I think this is due to the bandwidth limit of TB4. TB4 only provides 40Gbits and HDMI 2.1 has 48Gbits.

We have a great machine here. No Touch Bar, physical keys. Everything the people complain about is now build in. But now we are talking about a notch and 0.0Xmm more thickness and some mm width and depth.
 
I find the extra lines produced by the light background of the current keyboard to be distracting. This new design focuses on the glyphs on the keys and less on the lines of the background.
You could get that, with a better looking design, by making the keys in same material and colour as chassis. With Extra benefit when it comes to cleaning the persistent wear on your shortcut keys ?
 
In my opinion Apple built one of their best MacBook Pro's ever. You have everything what you need (or what I need).

HDMI port:
How often I forget my dongle on the desk or had to present spontaneously in a meeting and had no adapter. Or sitting in a datacenter and want to connect to the monitor in the rack which has HDMI.
--> Perfect

SD card slot:
Working with a D850 and normal I have a CF Express adapter but now I can just use the SD card which works as a backup card in the camera. No adapter needed.
--> perfect

Magsafe:
What should I say, the magsafe ist something I really loved on my old MacBooks and I really missed on the first USB-C MacBooks. Now its back, but I can still charge via TB4 ports if I connect the MacBook Pro to my Dell 4021qw.
--> perfect

We have still three TB4 ports, in my opinion more than enough for alle types of connections.

The only downside is, that Apple is using HDMI 2.0 instead of 2.1. We only get 4K@60Hz and not 4k/8k@120Hz. But I think this is due to the bandwidth limit of TB4. TB4 only provides 40Gbits and HDMI 2.1 has 48Gbits.

We have a great machine here. No Touch Bar, physical keys. Everything the people complain about is now build in. But now we are talking about a notch and 0.0Xmm more thickness and some mm width and depth.
Plus a 14-inch MBP that is not crippled compared to a 16" MBP, with a 14" screen in a 13" case, with 45% more pixels, plus Promotion and MiniLED.
No brainer, I ordered one 10 seconds after the Apple store went live.
 
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History repeats itself

Anybody remember Powerbook G4 Titanium (it was multi body) now its unibody.
Still waiting to confirm that. Contrasting black background of keyboard make me suspicious ?
 
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This is why arguing is pointless. We finally get a form follows function reset to deliver a truly pro machine and some are stuck solely on the form.
It’s the only thing left to improve ?
 
Jony would have gotten a stroke if this design came out of his studio. But I think this time the real techies like John Ternus and Joz won here.
Holistic approach regarding form and function is in Apple’s DNA. Tell me of a computer you can proudly show its guts like the Mac Pro…these new MBP are just “generic retrofitted” design. Nevertheless rather this than the “childish” iMac design?
 
Can’t help being stunned by the notch hysteria, that makes people ignore they’ve now a 120Hz ProMotion Mini Led larger display…
 
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I stayed with a 2015 mbp to avoid dongle hell. I ordered in flight Wi-Fi last Monday to make sure I could order a 2021 just in case orders opened after the debut. Orders opened immediately and so did my wallet.

"dongle hell"

lmfao. first world people are beyond primadonnas, at times. considering one dongle can do so many things i'm not sure what this "hell" is but when you're ordering 2000 or 3000 dollar laptops from a flight you spent $10 just to have wifi on for a couple of hours, i cannot help but point out this dongle "problem" is manufactured entirely by first world immaturity.
 
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JUST RELEASED!

Parallels® Desktop 17 for Mac


A fast, easy and powerful application for running Windows on your Intel or Apple M1 Mac—all without rebooting. Includes 30+ one-touch tools to simplify everyday tasks on Mac and Windows.
So far as I am aware that fails to support Windows like the Intel models did.

1. This does not run 64-bit Windows Intel apps.
2. There is no fully supported/licensed Windows product that will run on M1. (An Insider Preview does not count as a supported/licensed option.)
 
Sorry, I know that technically are probably terrific but the 14 is juts wrong, in every sense. The big menu bar, the notch, the thickness, the weight, everything.
It's just ugly, the old 13 design seems a futurist computer.

2020 Macbook Pro 13'

30,41 cm x 21,24 cm x 1,56cm
1,4 kg

2021 Macbook Pro 14'

31,26 cm x 22,12 cm x 1,55cm
1,6 kg

2019 Macbook Pro 16'

35,79 cm x 24,59 cm x 1,62cm
2 kg

2021 Macbook Pro 16'

35,57 cm x 24,81 cm x 1,68cm
2,1 kg

The thickness? Yes, they are practically identical in thickness (even 0.01 cm thinner). The 16" is somewhat thicker, I guess to accommodate a larger battery.

The weight? Almost identical.

The notch? It doesn't bother me on the phone, on the laptop either, although I would like to have Face ID having it there. Right now it does not add anything, although it is assumed that in the next model, it will probably take it. Also, the bezels are considerably thinner.

In the end, this is a device for people who want power. The MacBook Pro 13", especially since the 2016 model and perhaps, except for the last one in 2020, with the Intel quad core, has never been a much more powerful model than the MacBook Air, offering a pretty lousy performance (including the high-end ones) for its high price (2000 euros in Europe). I say this with knowledge, since I bought with illusion a MacBook Pro 13" of 2016 with the maximum i7 and 16GB of RAM, and it performed worse than my previous MacBook Pro 15" of 2010 and worse than my iMac 27" of 2013, especially in demanding tasks, moving gigabytes of photos and video, the laptop could not move it in a solvent way, returning it.

Shortly after, I was given a 2017 MacBook Pro 13" at work, with an identical configuration to the one I bought and, running the same tests on it, it gives equally poor performance.

Why do people want a 2000 euro MacBook Pro, if it then does not perform what you expect for its price? You only spend 300-400 euros more on the TouchBar, two fans instead of one and the 4 ports... but it performs similarly to the entry-level MacBook Pro or Air.

These are meant to perform, and they have to have good cooling, have enough ports for everyone, and be thick enough to properly dissipate that heat and accommodate a good battery.

Obviously, if you want a futuristic, modern, ultra-lightweight design, this will be in stores within a year:

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No fans, two ports, M2 which will have good power for everyday use, but is not intended for professionals, but for people who want something truly portable, with plenty of power to move anything an "average" person does and good autonomy. But for people who demand performance, a lot of graphics, and more "professional" things, there is the Pro, with its Pro specifications in every way.

I already left laptops behind, but surely if I bought one, it would not be a MacBook Pro, because for the use I would give it, it is clear that it is not for me, I would buy the MacBook Air M2. My heavy workload I offload to my old 2013 27" iMac, which is still doing much better for demanding work than the 2017 MacBook Pro 13" I have.

The perfect combo for me as of today is: iMac with large screen + iPad 12.9" + iPhone 6.7". I look forward to the redesign of the 27" iMac with the M1 Pro.
 
It looks so generic. If you put an HP or asus logo on it you wouldn't even recognize it.

This design is really function over form, but I think something has been lost in the process.

It may be a beast, but the usual apple refinement (ports carefully aligned, iconic look and feel...) was the victim.
 
It looks so generic. If you put an HP or asus logo on it you wouldn't even recognize it.
A thread full of comments saying how only Apple has gone for a notch. And you suggest it could be confused with any other company's products?

The notch is, and I hate using this word, iconic. It immediately identifies one of these from every other on the planet. Probably from the best part of a thousand paces.

Any company which now introduces a notch will be scorned as trying to build a Mac-alike.

(And a machine running Windows would have its own issues managing the software side of things unless Microsoft put some work into supporting notches.)
 
A thread full of comments saying how only Apple has gone for a notch. And you suggest it could be confused with any other company's products?

The notch is, and I hate using this word, iconic. It immediately identifies one of these from every other on the planet. Probably from the best part of a thousand paces.

Any company which now introduces a notch will be scorned as trying to build a Mac-alike.

(And a machine running Windows would have its own issues managing the software side of things unless Microsoft put some work into supporting notches.)
Notch aside, I maintain it's generic.
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"dongle hell"

lmfao. first world people are beyond primadonnas, at times. considering one dongle can do so many things i'm not sure what this "hell" is but when you're ordering 2000 or 3000 dollar laptops from a flight you spent $10 just to have wifi on for a couple of hours, i cannot help but point out this dongle "problem" is manufactured entirely by first world immaturity.
It's not about the money, it's about the convenience. I want to grab and go and know I can connect. There was a time when one could grab a laptop and know it could connect to any interface because it had ports to support all of them. As modern projectors and presentation TV's have coalesced around the HDMI standard, it makes sense to offer the port you are almost guaranteed to need to use in a presentation situation. You stick to your dongles and I'll directly plug in my laptop. Deal?


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Pro level machines get the job done fast. Hopefully at a good price too. They are not designed to be sexy while doing so.
 
There was a time when one could grab a laptop and know it could connect to any interface because it had ports to support all of them.
It is so very easy to forget connectors some of which used to be widespread:

VGA
Firewire
USB-A
Ethernet
Parallel
9 & 25 pin serial
eSATA
HDMI + mini & micro
DisplayPort & mini-DisplayPort
Expresscard
PS/2
DVI
3 & 4 pole audio jack
optical fibres
RJ11 phone

- and an acoustic coupler!

(Probably left out quite a few.)
 
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