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new intel macs in 2020 and 2021

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Tim Cook (june 2020): "In fact, we have some new Intel based Macs in the pipeline that we’re really excited about. "


After seeing the new M1, does anybody believe this to be true still?
 
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Sure, why not? There are still a lot of folks who need Intel machines to run certain business software and Windows apps via a VM or Boot Camp.

But, there will come a time when Apple no longer produces an Intel Mac. But for now, Intel is not dead yet. :)
 
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Sure, why not? There are still a lot of folks who need Intel machines to run certain business software and Windows apps via a VM or Boot Camp.

But, there will come a time when Apple no longer produces an Intel Mac. But for now, Intel is not dead yet. :)

People who have such specific software requirements, are never going to buy Apple.

And I am sorry to say this typing on a 2020 Intel Macbook Pro - Intel. Is. Dead.
 
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Many of the pro audio and pro video folks currently on Intel Macs have an interest in staying on the Intel platform for both their workflow as well as Intel device drivers for legacy peripherals.

They would be amongst the last to migrate to Apple Silicon Macs.
 
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People who have such specific software requirements, are never going to buy Apple.

And I am sorry to say this typing on a 2020 Intel Macbook Pro - Intel. Is. Dead.
Probably not yet. Two more years. Maybe a new Mac with Intel Tiger Lake will be released?
 
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People who have such specific software requirements, are never going to buy Apple.

And I am sorry to say this typing on a 2020 Intel Macbook Pro - Intel. Is. Dead.

Amazon browsing on M1 doesn't make Intel-mac obsolete / dead.
Workflow pipeline change/update takes time and updating web browser, is not it.
 
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People who have such specific software requirements, are never going to buy Apple.

And I am sorry to say this typing on a 2020 Intel Macbook Pro - Intel. Is. Dead.
LOL wha? I have specific software needs. I need Final Cut Pro. I need Logic Pro. Those can only be used on a Mac.
 
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Sure, why not? There are still a lot of folks who need Intel machines to run certain business software and Windows apps via a VM or Boot Camp.
I have to disagree with this because let's be real about it, Apple is not sitting at home worried about their customers needing to run Windows on their Macs. It was easier for Apple to introduce the M series processors now because the MacBooks and Mac mini are more basic products for basic needs. Products like the Mac Pro will perhaps be the last one to remain Intel because Apple no doubt hasn't finished working on their processor for it, and seeing as it's for professionals every tweak needs to be done so there are no issues when it hits the streets.
 
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LOL wha? I have specific software needs. I need Final Cut Pro. I need Logic Pro. Those can only be used on a Mac.
You missed my point. This debate is about Intel vs. M1 on Apple computers.

I'll rephrase. People with specific x86 or native Windows software needs are never going to buy Apple. Besides they are a stark minority.

For basic users, for average users, for power users of Apple specific software, for power users of software, which will or already is ported to M1 - I'll say it again - Intel is dead.
 
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You missed my point. This debate is about Intel vs. M1 on Apple computers.

I'll rephrase. People with specific x86 or native Windows software needs are never going to buy Apple. Besides they are a stark minority.

For basic users, for average users, for power users of Apple specific software, for power users of software, which will or already is ported to M1 - I'll say it again - Intel is dead.
Intel is dying is probably more apt as the M1 computers do not replace anything for me.
 
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I would be very careful buying any Intel Mac right now because if the transition from PPC to Intel taught us anything true updates won't make it past 11.1 or if we are lucky 11.2. Other software will also stop receiving updates in 2-3 years. Apple says they will support Intel Macs for years to come, but what that really means is security patches. Within 2-3 years they will want to move their entire base over to Apple processors and the quickest way to do that is stop offering new software for the Intel Macs.

I'll run my 2017 iMac as long as I can, but I expect true support to die off way before the computer does. The fact is most modern Intel Macs have enough muscle to last for years and years depending on what you are doing, but real support will end quickly once the whole line is transitioned to Apple silicon.
 
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I would not be totally shocked if we saw another Intel 16-inch eventually, although it seems unlikely one will release in the near short term until Apple has a reason to update it, which depends on Intel and AMD.

I also think Intel Macs will see software support for many years to come and I don't think the previous transition offers any takeaways for this given this is so different. Apple has been providing some really long software support with both Macs and iPhones as of late, and I am willing to bet the average consumer keeps a computer longer today than they did in 2006. Rapidly abandoning software support would be bad for PR and likely bad for their bottom line.

The 2020 iMac was literally just refreshed, and their flagship Mac Pro is only a year old. Even if Apple discontinued these tomorrow, we would likely still see these in the refurbished store for another 2 years, unless Apple intends to abandon refurbished Intel Mac sales, which seems unprofitable and unlikely. The money they could make continuing to sell refurbished Intel Macs (which would likely include new Macs after an AS refresh to burn off the remainder of new supply) is probably not a small source of income.
 
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I don't have any worries about apple dropping intel support. They're going to be selling Intel Macs through 2021 at least. Plus they have to support apple care for an additional 3 years.

I see a minimum of 4+ years support from today.
 
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Intel is NOT DEAD. you one sided APPLE FAN BOYS are wrong. Intel is always working on new chips, new technologies. Some secret. some not so secret. Like APPLE. only APPLE screws up a lot more than Intel. On their software rollouts AND their hardware.
 
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I see a minimum of 4+ years support from today.

"Support" is a relative term. Security patches will be provided, for sure. For everything else...

I am pretty sure that we'll see "special features" already in macOS 12 in 2021, which will only work on Apple Silicon. Like iOS, where certain features are available only for new models as a marketing strategy.

Also whoever thinks macOS updates will be provided after 2022 for Intel machines... this is more wishful thinking than anything else. It's also entirely possible that Big Sur is the last major update for Intel Macs. I know many will find this crazy, but when has Apple cared about users when it comes to money and stock price? Intel Macs have already been sold and the sooner they get those people to buy shiny new Apple Silicon, the better.
 
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Intel is NOT DEAD. you one sided APPLE FAN BOYS are wrong. Intel is always working on new chips, new technologies. Some secret. some not so secret. Like APPLE. only APPLE screws up a lot more than Intel. On their software rollouts AND their hardware.
hence why I said dying - and only just for Apple.

This new intel 16" MBP I am typing this on is actually quite impressive in speed. Really the only thing it needs is less heat from efficiencies to reduce the fans and have a better battery. Otherwise it is great and no speed complaints.
 
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richinaus

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I forgot about those iMacs. So yeah, this is it.
It probably is it.
And yes as others have said I don't believe there will be support beyond 2 years in any real sense of development.

However it all depends if you use your Mac for work or home. The latter it is fine to take a punt on apps etc, but to earn money there is no chance I could buy any Apple Silicon Mac right now [even if they had proper pro models out] as the apps I use are not universal and remain untested in Rosetta.

6 - 12 months I think the decision to buy an intel machine will be very difficult but for now, and is to earn money, then you buy what you need at the time.
 
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Unlikely that any new ones are coming. It would present a very confusing image as to the state of the transition. Of course Intel Macs will be sold for a few years as the rest of the lineup moves over, but the chances of new models is slim to none. It is unfortunate that we did not get one last Intel 16" MBP refresh, I would've purchased that.
 
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richinaus

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Unlikely that any new ones are coming. It would present a very confusing image as to the state of the transition. Of course Intel Macs will be sold for a few years as the rest of the lineup moves over, but the chances of new models is slim to none. It is unfortunate that we did not get one last Intel 16" MBP refresh, I would've purchased that.
yeah that would have been absolute perfect timing for me if a new one had come out.
 
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I'll run my 2017 iMac as long as I can, but I expect true support to die off way before the computer does. The fact is most modern Intel Macs have enough muscle to last for years and years depending on what you are doing, but real support will end quickly once the whole line is transitioned to Apple silicon.

Same here. I know my 2017 27" Intel iMac has plenty of life left in it and I should get 2 more years out of it at the least. And I'm not about to invest in a first generation iMac with Apple silicon whenever they bring one out next year.

However, there will come a day when as you say, support will end. Just like my old 1998 Mustang which I was forced to get rid of this year because it was getting too expensive to keep up with repairs, that will be the time my Intel iMac will have to go.
 
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It's also entirely possible that Big Sur is the last major update for Intel Macs. I know many will find this crazy, but when has Apple cared about users when it comes to money and stock price? Intel Macs have already been sold and the sooner they get those people to buy shiny new Apple Silicon, the better.

Apple will almost certainly be selling Intel Macs for at least several more years. Making Big Sur the last major update for Intel Macs would likely cost them much more money than it would make them.
 
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Once Linux/Windows virtualisation (VMs/Docker/Parallels) is working reliably on the Apple Mx series chips and also 32/64 GB RAM options are offered then I will switch.

As a developer I can't consider moving from Intel to the new architecture without the above.
 
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