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Wasted potential without file management. Apple if you want to make an iPad Pro, a Pro - give us File management and mouse support - let us walk up to any display we want and just plug our computers into the screen via USB C.

Or when plugged into a desktop screen - let the iPad run Mac OSX.
 
Well Apple seems to have no die size limitation as they have more CPU/GPU cores than most computers so I don't think this is an impossible task for them - I would be money that Apple has ARM Macs running in their labs. Once they determine they can match or exceed Intel they will pull the trigger at least on their entry level models.
It should be noted that A12 is 83 mm2. So, not huge. A12X would be significantly bigger, but not outrageously so.


Actually, "true" CISC pretty much died with intel's "Netburst" architecture just before Apple switched to Intel: The current x86 "Core" chips are all descended from the Pentium Pro architecture which (to simplify somewhat) was a RISC-like core sitting behind an x86-to-RISC translator. So while it might be stretching a point to say that even current Intel chips are "RISC" they survived by adopting a lot of RISC principles. Obviously, ARM can fit a few more cores in a package without all that translation gubbins...

I suspect a lot of the power of these A-series chips comes from the GPU and other co-processors that can be crammed onto the chip thanks to the simpler CPU core.
No, Geekbench's main tests do not test the GPU.


An ARM-based Mac running OSX will require Rosetta II Technoloy to run intel Mac OSX apps AND the ARM itself would have to beat the intel performance by 50% to not suffer a huge performance penalty compared to running an app natively.

This would be the PPC to Intel Transition all over again.

I think Apple with have blazing A14/A15 processors in two years. Intel should be afraid. Afraid of losing 5% of its business or more.
A12X is already likely about twice as fast as the Intel i5 chip in the MacBook Air. And if they wanted even more performance, they can use a fan and increase the clock speed a bit, and even add a second chip.
 
I a longtime Mac user and don't love trying to use iOS for productivity, but I'm gonna admit it: I've got hardware envy for these iPads, they're so beautifully made. This is clearly the area where Apple is focusing so much more of its efforts than the Mac side.

The day the g-d iPad has a better keyboard than the newest MacBooks, well, that's a sad day.
 
The only thing that's a shame about this is that developers don't recognize the potential of the iPad Pro. Adobe seems to getting it but most still don't...
Of all the developers somehow you find a way to give a little credit to Adobe. They've been years behind with this if you've been paying attention it's just happen they're a popular brand. Don't really count on Adobe when it comes to things like this they're most likely to update their apps too.
 
Wasted potential without file management. Apple if you want to make an iPad Pro, a Pro - give us File management and mouse support - let us walk up to any display we want and just plug our computers into the screen via USB C.

Or when plugged into a desktop screen - let the iPad run Mac OSX.

Why would Apple do that? Apple makes a broad line of laptop and desktop computers for those who have requirements beyond what tablets can address.
 
All that supposedly super computing synthetic benchmark performance and it still doesn't run professional software, no full MS Office Suite, can't do Steam AAA gaming, no YouTube VP9 decode for 4K/1440p, no background multitasking and the list goes on and on.
 
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"Geekbench is so good at editing photos and videos I've stopped using my MBP"
Need real world differences here people. Meanwhile iOS lightroom is so crippled compared to macos, it's useless..
 
Steve envisioned the iPad back in the 80s, and he was there for its initial development and even for the iPad 2's launch (although by then he was pretty ill). One thing I think Steve got right - and that I kind of feel like Apple is starting to forget - is that the iPad was really designed with a specific goal in mind: to replace the netbook. It was actually first introduced at a time when netbooks were all the rage, and Steve and Co. basically looked at the things people were doing with netbooks and then tried to make a device that excelled at those tasks but was not meant to replace a computer, just as for most people a netbook was not their primary computer. Apple used to show slides showing a MacBook, an iPhone, and an iPad, in a modernish take on their "Digital Life" marketing campaign from the early 2000s.

Nowadays, everyone including Apple talks about how an iPad can "replace your laptop". Thing is, it cannot, and it should not, replace a laptop. Trying to get an iPad to do laptop (or even worse, desktop) optimized tasks just seems antithetical to Apple's typical UX-focused philosophy. Of course there are some creative apps that can hugely benefit from a touch screen, but, for example, nothing can beat the precision of a mouse pointer (not even an Apple Pencil). Typing on a nice full-sized keyboard is far more pleasing than the shrunken Smart Keyboard case. You're still limited to either the internal storage you purchased, or cloud based storage - a lot of professional tasks do involve shuttling around huge amounts of data, and not being able to use a portable SSD can be a dealbreaker (although that USB-C port will prove interesting - what happens if you plug in a flash drive?). And while iOS does have some useful creative apps on it today, the original purpose of the iPad was a content consumption device (which is what people mostly used netbooks for) - it's great for watching movies, reading websites, reading magazines and the like, but a pure touch-only environment is far from optimized for most creative tasks (other than perhaps drawing).

The whole point of all of this is, you can't say "The iPad has similar performance to a MacBook; therefore, the MacBook is now a useless product." Even the article tries to simplify it to this level by saying that the iPad is half the cost of the MacBook for the same performance. But performance is only one of many metrics that define whether a computing device will be appropriate for the intended use case, and for a lot of people, an iPad simply cannot fully replace a laptop. And that's OK.

As for ARM vs Intel, though, I'll play "conspiracy theorist" and claim that there is a fringe benefit to Apple moving to ARM - the Hackintosh community will be dead in the water. I'm sure Apple had to know this might happen when they moved to Intel, but modern Hackintosh efforts have made the process almost plug-and-play, and the commonality between PC and Mac hardware is so close now that many people don't even need any drivers or other trickery to get macOS to boot. To be fair though, I don't see ARM surpassing Intel at the high-end for a while, so I could envision a world where you have both ARM and Intel Macs out there, and since OS X has always had the multi-arch binary capability, and since we could easily see a "Rosetta 2" that can JIT-translate x86 code, the lower-end Macs may very well end up with ARM. So it would suck, but it may just become that in order to run Windows on Mac you need a MacBook Pro or iMac Pro... (Or maybe VMware would be able to utilize the JIT compiler to make a sluggish but serviceable Windows VM engine...)
 
Super restrictive, you cannot develop on it, there are very few professional tools, most of them are crippled. Yes I know, Photoshop is coming, but what about 3D modeling, development? There's no mouse support. A lot of older developers like me much prefer a mouse to pointing with our fingers. Have you tried to make a precise selection without a mouse? Yes I know, the pencil is awesome, but I would also like a mouse, now that it has proper desktop connectivity to 5K monitors. Xcode is absolutely essential, as well as a proper file manager. All this speed is mostly for freemium games. I understand it's the most secure device, but it's a pain to use compared to a real laptop.
 
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Why does the iPad need to become a Mac? Especially if Apple is working on their own CPUs for the Mac? At the event this week Intel wasn’t mentioned on stage once. It seems very clear Apple is looking to eventually be free of Intel.

I didn't say it needed to become a Mac. The iPad will just continue to have its full potential unrealized for the reasons ( among many more ) in my original post.
 
Pretty incredible what Apple is doing with their chip development. This type of performance in a 5.9mm device with no active cooling, is impressive. I can't wait until they are using their own chips in MacBook's and iMac's - we are going to see some really awesome designs and implementations. I have moved on from macOS, but this sort of vertical integration could be what drives me back one day.

Curious, why?

If an iPad or MB worked equally well with apple chips, Intel Inside, AMD, or 1,000,000,000 miniature squirrels with calculators, why does that vertical integration create value to you as a consumer?

Honest question! :)
 
Absolutely mind blowing performance. But it has now moved into a territory where it needs to separate from iOS. iOS is too limiting in its current form, even with the added functions from iOS 11/12 on the iPad. Mouse support USB-C ports would be an awesome addition. I wanted to make my iPad Pro 10.5 work for medical school but the courses require a full computer. Not that this is the scenario for everyone, but a good example as to why iPad Pro are still limited with their OS.
 
A-series chip performance has been good enough for years now. It’s the OS holding many of us back from replacing laptops with iPads, not raw power. File system, mouse support, external storage, etc. those are what I need to be iOS only, not more horsepower.
 
I don't understand why people here think Intel should be scared, mac has such low user base compared to PC. You think HP Dell Lenovo MS will stop using Intel?
Fair to say it's probably not an absolutely existential matter for intel if they lose Apple, but considering they're falling behind, or at the very least being caught up to on several fronts it's definitely concerning for them. Their business model has basically been offer best chips; charge a premium for them. For that they have to offer the best chips, though. If AMD, or worse, someone like Qualcomm can catch up to them consistently on performance, they will be forced to slash prices to compete. Slashed prices translates into lower R&D budget, lower R&D budget into no real hope of ever regaining their unassailable position again. Overall, I'd say the hegemony is over, but we can still expect to see some great chips from Intel going forward among a multi horse race.
 
All great but you still need MacOS. Sorry Tim, ipad is awesome but as companion tool not really a replacement for a real Mac.

Exactly right..... I really enjoy using the iPad but it is no replacement for a functional laptop by virtue of its design. The 12" iPad Pro is impossible to use one handed and until it has a hinge and a keyboard I really don't understand the point.

There's a place for a dual-boot Mac OS/iOS touchscreen laptop. Yet, Apple can't decide with interface they eventually want to focus on. Given what we saw with the Mac Mini... essentially the physical design with upgraded specs (something they should have been doing annually)... I don't think they've given much thought to upgrading Mac OS design.. that says a lot. (Even the iMac Pro was a lazy way to up the spec's for complaining pros).

I guess what I'm saying is that Apple desperately needs a Consumer division and a Pro division... with two entirely different product lines.
 
I didn't say it needed to become a Mac. The iPad will just continue to have its full potential unrealized for the reasons ( among many more ) in my original post.
What is it’s full potential in your mind that wouldn’t make it a Mac?
 
iPad has no fan. It'll throttle down in no time. These benchmarks don't parallel real world use. More like fantasy.

With ARM you don't need a fan! Don't compare the iPad's new 7nm chip to legacy Intel technology and its legacy thermal architecture! :-o
 
Super restrictive, you cannot develop on it, there are very few professional tools, most of them are crippled. Yes I know, Photoshop is coming, but what about 3D modeling, development? There's no mouse support. A lot of older developers like me much prefer a mouse to pointing with our fingers. Have you tried to make a precise selection without a mouse? Yes I know, the pencil is awesome, but I would also like a mouse, now that it has proper desktop connectivity to 5K monitors. Xcode is absolutely essential, as well as a proper file manager. All this speed is mostly for freemium games. I understand it's the most secure device, but it's a pain to use compared to a real laptop.

So an iPad wouldn't be a good fit for you, that doesn't mean it isn't a good fit for someone else. Not everyone's needs are the same.
 
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Why would Apple do that? Apple makes a broad line of laptop and desktop computers for those who have requirements beyond what tablets can address.
We have all been hearing about the "fusion" of iOS and Mac OS.. It's becoming closer and closer with this iPad release and the addition of USB C. You can now walk up to a monitor and use your ipad on it. you can use a keyboard on the iPad.. you can use a pencil on the ipad - the iPad is the most versitle computer there is (it's just not quite a "computer" yet)

If it happens - there's no doubt the iPad will be this fusion. If Apple keeps putting these chips in.. and keeps avoiding the mac line up, watch Tim and his PR spin this as the iPad is now faster then the Mac..

Then you will have your one more thing announcement - the iPad will also run Mac OS. Your iPad will be used with iOS on the go, then you will plug your iPad into a monitor via USB C and it will begin to run Mac OS. With 1TB of storage and Cell support and the current dongle life - is my theory far off? I don't think it really is.

Apple is clearly shaping the laptop industry to their liking and within the next 5 years I believe the iPad will become a full "computer" that blends mac OS and iOS into one.
 
Be careful of the wording, they said that AutoCAD mobile will be available, which has been available on iPad, iPhone and Android devices for some time. According to everything I have heard from Autodesk, the iPad Pro will NOT be getting the full desktop version of AutoCAD. According to Adobe it will be getting the full desktop version of Photoshop and possibly some other products.

That’s not true. Well I’m only going by the speaker, she said “desktop engine”. Never mentioned mobile.

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[doublepost=1541090695][/doublepost]It would be nice to be able to run the desk top versions of Safari and iTunes.

We can charge our iPhones now maybe one day we can back them up to the pro too.
 
The pro workflow on an iPad is atrocious though. So much wasted productivity managing things to work around the lack of a user-accessible file system.

Put Finder on iOS and then you can call it an iPad Pro.
 
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I'm been using VM from 2000 on PC and MAC, so as long I don't play any game a VM with windows 7-8-10 are working good, so I don't see the problem on having a MAC risc with 1-2-x A12 (it was like that on the IBM chip ). As long as they port the Mac OS on the new chip I think it will be OK .

Most of us don't write Machine code so all our programs can be ported easy on the new platform.
if you remember we moved from IBM chip to Intel and was not the end of the world so way we are afraid of a new move from Intel to AXX especially with the chip made by Apple ;)
 
Not that anyone might care, but here’s my prediction. Eventually, Apple will develop a hybrid iOS/MacOS iPad. They’ll develop an aluminum keyboard attachment that will connect magnetically or otherwise to the iPad (which is essentially an uninterrupted screen now) and run MacOS when connected to the keyboard. Disconnect the iPad and it switches to iOS. The aluminum keyboard attachment may even give an extra performance boost to the iPad when connected so it can run MacOS smoothly (additional graphics processing, memory, etc. Apple has publicly stated they’ll never merge iOS/MacOS but that doesn’t mean they won’t eventually build a device that can do both. Hmmmm? Something to think about.
 
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