Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but iPhones already throttle. The ipad may be a bit more resistant due to larger area to dissipate heat.
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New iPad Pro Has Comparable Performance to 2018 15" MacBook Pro in Benchmarks
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That's (Apple dropping laptop/desktop computers for tablets someday) not going to happen anytime soon. It's just a whine/chorus the unhappy here chant because they're not satisfied with Apple macOS computer development - which is pretty much constrained by Intel's roadmap and delays. Some people can only feel good letting others know how unhappy and picked on they are.
There will be a transition to Apple-designed cpus for macOS desktop/laptop computers. Though my bet is on a full-custom design rather than ARM-based.
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Curious, why?
If an iPad or MB worked equally well with apple chips, Intel Inside, AMD, or 1,000,000,000 miniature squirrels with calculators, why does that vertical integration create value to you as a consumer?
Honest question!
Performance benefits, battery life benefits, more frequent updates, more secure, better privacy, new form factors, app flexibility across platforms, stuff like that. My iPad is 100% issue free and I'd like to see that with Apple's other computers.
I think the main takeaway of this article is that Apple is managing to squeeze high-end i7 like performance in a super low TDP package.
Yes the current 'iPad' design would not be suitable for a lot of applications, but the question is what prevents Apple from designing it's Macbooks with their own chips... say in 2020?
Before, it would be performance. Today, it seems that bar has been lifted.
The iPad doesn't need to become the Mac nor does macOS need to come to the iPad. What needs to happen, and I think will happen, is that the iPad should take on more tasks that were once relegated only to the Mac. In that context, the Mac gets pushed into much higher-end niche use cases.
But, can those only be accomplished with Apple chips? Maybe they can and I'm not as well-versed there.
A prominent Xcode for iPad app developer (unpublished but promising prototype) was recently hired on the dev technology team (as seen on Twitter). Let’s cross our fingers.
Curious, why?
If an iPad or MB worked equally well with apple chips, Intel Inside, AMD, or 1,000,000,000 miniature squirrels with calculators, why does that vertical integration create value to you as a consumer?
Honest question!
Because Apple can then plan its products around its own roadmaps. Right now, Apple, like every other PC vendor is stuck in their product design planning around Intel's product roadmap and their chips' feature sets and limitations.
Just for example; you can't have LPDDR4 RAM in current Macbook Pros, simply because Coffee Lake Intel chips don't support them. Another example, Apple was able to bring 64bit chips in its A7 processors way ahead of time, and stuck it into the iPhone 5s. Hence they were able to bring iOS into the 64 bit transition way quicker than if they'd stuck Qualcomm CPUs into their phones. And today, the iPhone 5s is still supported by the latest 64bit iOS.
If Apple controls every component, their product road map will be fully in their control. For us, that ultimately means more cohesive, more regularly advancing and better product lines.
This. Until we see if it can do this in a sustained way it's nearly meaningless. I certainly *hope* that Apple begins building products that can adequately cool themselves under sustained heavy operations, but it's been a long time since we've seen them accomplish such a thing.
That's pretty much only a compile-switch and a couple of new Frameworks away at this point...
Reading that benchmarks, combined with the disappointment with the new Air (after the initial excitement), makes me want to cuddle my 8YO, dying, 11" Air the best I can, until at least until WWDC 2019, to see it there isn't any special announcements about another CPU architecture change on the horizon for the Mac.
I would love to see Apple go ARM!
I would love to see Apple go ARM!
If an ARM-based Mac can't run all the Mac apps we have today plus a Windows VM, an ARM-based Mac is worthless to me, personally.
Also, looking at the amount of RAM that's in these new iPad Pros (seems to be either 4 GB or 6 GB depending on the storage chosen), it's going to take a while for the iPad to have the amount of RAM that a lot of pros need in their MacBook Pros today. Now, if an ARM-based Mac with 8 GB of RAM is somehow able to be roughly equivalent to an Intel-based Mac with 16 GB of RAM, the ARM future may be closer than we think; but I haven't read anything to indicate that is the case.
You'll soon be very suprised what Apple can do, when it isn't constrained by Intel's "Roadmap", which is OBVIOUSLY doling-out improvements and shuffling deck-chairs rather than Innovating (which is what Apple is OBVIOUSLY doing!)
Time estimate: 2 Years.
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Give it a rest.
This is more about the future viability of an ARM-based MAC.
This is not true. In the x86 processors I've designed, some instructions are inherently RISC-y, some are translated using a microcode ROM on-the-fly to RISC-like ops, and some are CISC-y (for example, instructions that use complex addressing schemes, etc.) Even where individual ops are translated to a sequence of microOps, this is still inherently different than RISC - among other things, you need much more complicated instruction decoders, with microcode sequencers, microcode ROMs, etc. This also affects the instruction sequencing (out-of-order issue and retirement) because you can't ever perform "half" an x86 instruction (e.g. by performing 4 out of 8 corresponding microOps). You have to deal with much more complicated addressing modes, and instructions that write to or read from memory.
RISC is more than just "execute simple instructions." It is "don't allow any instruction to write/read memory other than STORE/LOAD," and "don't use complicated flag modes" and "don't have instructions with more than two operands," etc.
I sure do!
I GUARANTEE there's at least ONE kicking around the Apple Spaceship right now...
You're describing Microsoft Surface - I doubt apple will do that 5 years late.
Give them more than a frickin' DAY to get their hands on it, sheesh!
finally a voice of reason.
so much "hurr durr no mouse" posts throughout.
PowerPC/x86 transition was fairly smooth, and ARM/x86 should be smoother.
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I'd like to see an i9 in an ipad...
The fact that iOS and macOS are DIFFERENT OSes for DIFFERENT USE-CASES!
HOW many times does this have to be said?!?!?
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I'd like to see an i9 in an ipad...
And where would you put the requisite FAN COOLING?!?
Yup. Looking forward to the day when a tablet is a multifunction do-it-all full OS device with real power, capable of accepting any input device plus display connection. It'll happen, just not sure Apple will ever make such a thing … they seem to enjoy limiting connection options … all about wireless, unless it involves a dongle.
Apple dumped the PPC due to slow/lack of roadmap, so it is very possible that they may switch to ARM in the future.
However I think people need to step back from a very synthetic benchmark to think performance is comparable with the Macs. I have not seen Spec benchmarks for the A12 chips.
x86 made big progress (especially on the server side) in the very late 2000s (2007-2010) due much improved memory management and memory performance. Would love to see real world comparisons between a Macbook Pro and iPad Pro doing a 30 minute video render on similar software that can use the capability of the system. Similar with multitasking benchmarks. I think that will give a much better indication of where the new iPad Pro/A series actually stack up.
In the meantime I'm still happily using a 15" rMBP (mid 2012) on Sierra and 13" rMBP (mid 2015) with High Sierra doing various compute intensive tasks. vs My iPad Air 1 is barely doing OK with iOS 12. Will need some proof that the A chips and iOS have a longer lifespan with intensive tasks as well.
Bottomline, I think it is very premature to think the the A chips and iOS is ready to take on what macOS and x86 is doing. Perhaps in a few years. As other mentioned and I suspect as well it may start at the lower end of the Mac line with A chips and then go from there. Will be fun to see the transition, given how shoddy the last 2 rounds of macOS and iOS have been.
However I think people need to step back from a very synthetic benchmark to think performance is comparable with the Macs. I have not seen Spec benchmarks for the A12 chips.
x86 made big progress (especially on the server side) in the very late 2000s (2007-2010) due much improved memory management and memory performance. Would love to see real world comparisons between a Macbook Pro and iPad Pro doing a 30 minute video render on similar software that can use the capability of the system. Similar with multitasking benchmarks. I think that will give a much better indication of where the new iPad Pro/A series actually stack up.
In the meantime I'm still happily using a 15" rMBP (mid 2012) on Sierra and 13" rMBP (mid 2015) with High Sierra doing various compute intensive tasks. vs My iPad Air 1 is barely doing OK with iOS 12. Will need some proof that the A chips and iOS have a longer lifespan with intensive tasks as well.
Bottomline, I think it is very premature to think the the A chips and iOS is ready to take on what macOS and x86 is doing. Perhaps in a few years. As other mentioned and I suspect as well it may start at the lower end of the Mac line with A chips and then go from there. Will be fun to see the transition, given how shoddy the last 2 rounds of macOS and iOS have been.