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People on macrumors think that the today and past is the future. Up to until now porting big and heavy apps to iPad has been of lesser interest. But with more processing power and memory, this will certainly change. Also peripherals will be possible to adapt to the iPad, the 3dconnexion space mouse already has a wireless model, and it should not be too hard to make a bluetooth version which should easily be paired to the iOS device.

But of more interest is not the iPad, but what the A-series chips could do to the Mac. Now there is much to be said about Geekbench and how well it compare over processor architects, and there is more to computing than 25 distinct smaller programs and operations. For other complex operations the benefit of the advanced chipset instructions in the newest x86 CPUs are important. But the fact is that the increase in performance of the Apple-designed CPU is remarkable and if they are able to continue with this pace this might well be a game changer for several fields and reasons.

Intel and their CPU division must be worried the most. Here it is important to also look at the other ARM chips, not just the A-chips. And it is the biggest indicator of how Intel have been lagging in gaining power. If you look at snapdragon and Samsung CPU they are also gaining at a higher pace. For Intel CPUs unless you put your computer in the freezer and do some insane overclocking the increase in CPU-power for the last 3-4 generations are minute.

So how will this affect the competition? If Apple can put out a laptop or workstation/desktop with A-chips and they are much more powerful, then they will be able to massively gain market share. While it should not affect the server-market as Apple seem to have no interest in, in other fields this will eat into the big other players.

Anyway I think this should hopefully give the kick in Intels ass so they finally are able to focus properly on their r&d. Also Qualcomm will certainly add more resources to their ARM-unit. I think for customers it is competition that should benefit us all, even the non-Apple users.
 
That's nice. If it also has a nice touchpad, adequate ports, a headphone jack, and a built in nice keyboard, perhaps it could replace a Dell XPS 15. Anyone know the pricing of 2017 iPad Pro's now that the 2018 has been released? I'm just waiting for Apple to go totally iOS in the next few years - phones, watches, and iPads. They were just testing the waters with removal of ports and phone jacks; now it's time to just stop producing laptops and desktops altogether.
$649, IIRC.
 
I really doubt Apple will go through the hassle to migrate macOS to ARM. What's more likely is they'll let macOS live on as a Pro OS - targeted towards developers, design, etc., while targeting iOS towards consumers.
 
Hello from earth. Macbook Pro is mouse capable. It also has a trackpad.

But it does not come with a mouse, does it Mr human from earth? You got to buy it extra . It may be many things capable, if you pay more. Like you would for the pencil or may other accessories for the iPad Pro.,
 
Its a shame the iPad isn't as flexible as the MacBook Pro. Wasted performance potential.

Despite the CPU power, MacBook Pro can still do many more tasks the iPad cannot, due to a variety of reasons such as Walled Garden, lack of RAM etc.

It's really a question of developers not releasing their software for the iPad / iPhone, rather than it's compute capabilities. For example, I write OpenCL, Vulkan, TensorFlow and other GPGPU applications. Those that I run on my iPhone XS Max wholly outperform the AMD RX 580 GPU I have sitting in a thunderbolt 3 enclosure right next to me.

The processors and gpus are plenty powerful. When the need of a GUI / interaction is removed, it is a fabulous computing device, and the iPad Pro looks like it is twice as powerful still! All we really need is mouse support so existing Mac apps can be directly ported with no UI changes and we are genuinely having a viable "replacement" device. I understand why we are holding firm on the whole "iPad is a touch first device", but that premise is also holding back the apps from being released due to the amount of needed investment to craft a whole new UI.
 
Not at all a useless stat. It tells us that it is now time to transition Mac to arm.

Synthetic benchmarks like this are useless across platforms.
The iPad does not have the I/O nor a full implementation of the OS.
You have full multitasking with MacOS along with a scheduler, etc that does not get disabled when running your benchmark. They aren't servicing interrupts from peripherals, like the mouse and keyboards.
We can have this discussion forever but an A12x is not a desktop processor and without major modifications it never will be.
 
I don't agree at all. As with any computer, needs differ from person to person and task to task. People keep saying "it's not a laptop replacement" like it covers all people and all situations. For some people it can. People need to accept that and stop thinking about 1 particular use case (usually their own). At the same time, an iPad isn't for everyone and isn't a viable tool for certain tasks. That's where choice comes in. An iPad is just another computer that Apple offers - choose the one that works for you and stop trying to act like one use case is somehow superior to others.
Sorry, you can't call it a laptop/desktop replacement if it can't replace a laptop/desktop.

I have been using the iPad since day 1 but in it's current form it will never replace a laptop/desktop. I use my iPad a majority of the time during the day. But I have to go to my laptop/desktop (Mac OS/Windows) because iOS can't do some basic stuff.
 
How exactly do I "develop" on the iPad Pro? Is there XCode on it? Visual Studio? is there even cursor support so I can quickly edit and manage text content?

The shame is that Apple wants to brag about how much performance their iPad Pro has but then cripple is ability to be used as a development platform because they refuse to implement even a cursor in iOS and refuse to bring XCode or any app/web development tools to the platform.

If these benchmarks can be believed and Apple has brought their ARM based CPU to parity with Intel processors, then the ball is in Apple's court to make iPad Pro a REAL professional development and content creation platform and not choose to keep it a casual mobile platform with a few novel professional-lite applications on it.
Text input on iOS has had a Cursor for, like, EVER.

And with the advent of "Trackpad mode", Cursor-positioning is quite nice.
 
If that is what you do with your iPad, then yes. However it is a limitation of your usage, not of the OS.

As well as browsing sitting on the sofa, I also use mine for audio production and as a looper/effect/synth/midi-converter/recorder combo (I.e. all of it running at once and connected with Audiobus) and more power is always welcomed.
That said I am still using a 9.7” pro which is just about doing the job at the moment (most of the time, if I don’t push it too far).


But can it bootcamp Windows and play crysis?
 
Whereas you will continue to ignore the fact that no apps exist to actually use this power
I guess Photoshop, AutoCAD and that AR thing Adobe demoed don't count. Yes, they are not out yet; but they obviously will be in short-order.
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To a degree, but at this point they are still dependent on Intel modems for their iPhones.
That's the project in the OTHER lab... ;-)
 
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Synthetic benchmarks like this are useless across platforms.
The iPad does not have the I/O nor a full implementation of the OS.
You have full multitasking with MacOS along with a scheduler, etc that does not get disabled when running your benchmark. They aren't servicing interrupts from peripherals, like the mouse and keyboards.
We can have this discussion forever but an A12x is not a desktop processor and without major modifications it never will be.

Mice and keyboards only generate interrupts when you type or move the mouse. There are plenty of interrupts being serviced by the ARM in the iPad. There is a scheduler running background tasks on iPad. And the microarchitecture of the high speed cores is essentially identical to a typical x86 core. I think the actual facts belie your unsupported opinions.
 
Sorry, you can't call it a laptop/desktop replacement if it can't replace a laptop/desktop.

I have been using the iPad since day 1 but in it's current form it will never replace a laptop/desktop. I use my iPad a majority of the time during the day. But I have to go to my laptop/desktop (Mac OS/Windows) because iOS can't do some basic stuff.

Of course I can. It just depends on the user and their tasks. I used to use a MacBook, now I use an iPad Pro. Done, just called it.
 
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Now if only it ran MacOS. iOS is too limiting for a lot of high end workflows that would be able to utilise all that compute power.

Color me legit impressed though. If you told me a few years ago before the iPad Pro came out that Apple would develop an ARM based chip that could come this close to Intels highest end offerings I wouldn't have believed you.

Makes me wonder if even the PC side will see a change of hands over to ARM in the coming years. Instead of just using either AMD or Intels offerings, each company could develop its own CPUs based off of ARM. Could be interesting in the future.
 
Full Photoshop for the iPad will push the machine to its absolute limit. When it's released to the public, we'll be able to tell how the iPad holds up. A multi-layer Photoshop file with with smart filters will be as much of a load one can throw at it.
We saw that on the Keynote on Tuesday. Seemed to do pretty damned well.
 
All great but you still need MacOS. Sorry Tim, ipad is awesome but as companion tool not really a replacement for a real Mac.
Well cook wants iPad to be a companion tool so they could sell mac and ipad at the sametime. Isn’t that the reason why apple don’t bring touch screen and apple pencil support to mac and macos to ipad? Yeah apple could sell more device in the short term, buy I can see a surface with better IO choice and build quality to be a replacement for my ipad/mac combo.
 
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