alien3dx
macrumors 68020
at least can test directly on arm not simulator( oops not emulator)..
New iPad Pro Has Comparable Performance to 2018 15" MacBook Pro in Benchmarks
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Moonjumper
macrumors 68030
I'm in two minds about macOS going ARM, but if the iPad Ro is becoming every more comparable with the MacBook Pro, I do wonder what effect the change would have on Mac prices (probably a lot more in Apple pockets)?
The MBP costs a lot more, but has a bigger screen, a keyboard, more ports, and a hinge. The iPad Pro has more and better cameras, plus more sensors. The manufacturing differences aren't that great really.
Macs have got a lot lot more expensive, hopefully that will be reversed if ARM happens.
The MBP costs a lot more, but has a bigger screen, a keyboard, more ports, and a hinge. The iPad Pro has more and better cameras, plus more sensors. The manufacturing differences aren't that great really.
Macs have got a lot lot more expensive, hopefully that will be reversed if ARM happens.
StellarVixen
macrumors 68040
x86 emulation on ARM is already possible. You just need to put this in a case with active cooling, and it is gonna perform just as good as comparable x86 CPU. I do not know why you people keep belittling the ARM, even after it proved itself as capable architecture over and over.
But, naysayers are gonna naysay. Always.
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Admiral
macrumors 6502
That eight-core A12X probably has a per-unit cost of US$35 to Apple, and next year its successor will probably have another 25% more performance. This should be terrifying news to Intel.
Will it result in lower prices to consumers? Hell no. It will result in greater margins for Apple.
LordVic
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ahh the typical benchmark. A picture that paints either everything, or nothing at all, depending on what you're using it for.
Benchmarks such as this is great to tell you raw computational mathematical horsepower.
what it does NOT show you is efficiency and how well programs run under different conditions. it doesn't take into account multi-tasking workloads, different bottlenecks that might exist elsewhere in a computer system (and lets be honest, regardless of CPU, a iPad is still jut a computer).
these are fantastic numbers, But at the end of the day, real world usage isn't going to always reflect what a benchmark shows.
best example of how benchmarks are misleading can be in the GPU realm. you can run a GPU benchmark that shows "100fps!", than fire up elite dangerous and ger 240fps... than fire up GTA5 and get 30 fps.
there's more to how well a computer runs and behaves than raw mathematical benchmark.
HOWEVER, Apple should be damn proud of themselves with what they've managed to achieve with a low powered mobile CPU.
Benchmarks such as this is great to tell you raw computational mathematical horsepower.
what it does NOT show you is efficiency and how well programs run under different conditions. it doesn't take into account multi-tasking workloads, different bottlenecks that might exist elsewhere in a computer system (and lets be honest, regardless of CPU, a iPad is still jut a computer).
these are fantastic numbers, But at the end of the day, real world usage isn't going to always reflect what a benchmark shows.
best example of how benchmarks are misleading can be in the GPU realm. you can run a GPU benchmark that shows "100fps!", than fire up elite dangerous and ger 240fps... than fire up GTA5 and get 30 fps.
there's more to how well a computer runs and behaves than raw mathematical benchmark.
HOWEVER, Apple should be damn proud of themselves with what they've managed to achieve with a low powered mobile CPU.
ruka.snow
macrumors 68000
Unless my memory is failing me, PPC is RISC as x86(AMD64) is one of the only if not the only remaining CISC CPU
How exactly do I "develop" on the iPad Pro? Is there XCode on it? Visual Studio? is there even cursor support so I can quickly edit and manage text content?
The shame is that Apple wants to brag about how much performance their iPad Pro has but then cripple is ability to be used as a development platform because they refuse to implement even a cursor in iOS and refuse to bring XCode or any app/web development tools to the platform.
If these benchmarks can be believed and Apple has brought their ARM based CPU to parity with Intel processors, then the ball is in Apple's court to make iPad Pro a REAL professional development and content creation platform and not choose to keep it a casual mobile platform with a few novel professional-lite applications on it.
I have to tell you something, says Tim one day, MacOS was living double life in one of these buildings over the last five years. Every build was compiled for arm as well, as a just in case measure.
Wanna bet?
Whereas you will continue to ignore the fact that no apps exist to actually use this power
radio893fm
macrumors 6502
It is certainly a good amount of money they will be losing... but not to poop their pants. It is not like Apple will suddenly sell their chips to other companies, a la AMD.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_share_of_personal_computer_vendors
If HP would decide to make their own chip, then they would poop their pants.
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lyngo
macrumors 6502a
To a degree, but at this point they are still dependent on Intel modems for their iPhones.
utilitas
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I think if you have either a Mac or a PC at home that the iPad is a better secondary machine for private use than any other laptop/macbook. Of course you a paying a premium price (espacially when getting the additional pencil and keyboard) but if you do, either you know why you want exactly that product or you are okay with spending that amoung anyway.
LordVic
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it's not so easy. once you start scaling up like that, even ARM runs into thermal limits and power / performance issues.
this has been noticed and tested with server based ARM infrastructure. They offer some tremendous performance in some unique workloads, but are not currently able to keep up with the raw horsepower of their contemporary x86 servers under similar wattage.
CPU power isn't just "pump more juice into it and it goes faster". there's an upper limit to this. Intel ran into it during the Pentium "Prescott" days.
at least can test directly on arm not simulator( oops not emulator)..
I really think the only thing that keeps MS from tossing VS Code on the iPad would be the lack of terminal. I realize it's written in JavaScript, but they're pretty smart over there, they could easily make it happen. I know Coda is available, but....yeah, not a fan of that... or WebStorm.
thecastle
macrumors member
You aren't wrong, but this topic is more about the fact that Apple's chips have come so far that performance is very similar to Intel's mid-tier chips, even without cooling and lower power usage.
TigerWoodsIV
macrumors 6502a
If they made the iOS for the iPad more like MacOS I could drop it, but I'll keep my somehow slower 2016 15" MBP over this. Can't buy it until it's a true replacement for a laptop. I get that would cannibalize sales, but I'm sure there are a lot of people with expensive MBPs who won't really see much added usefulness from what is essentially an absurdly fast iPhone.
My dream would be plugging this into my 5k monitor, using it like a laptop, then disconnecting and taking it like a tablet on the go.
This does, however, pretty much eliminate Intel chips from MBPs in the near future. They're already coming close to outperforming the best MBP chips in geekbench. Only a matter of time til it's see ya Intel.
My dream would be plugging this into my 5k monitor, using it like a laptop, then disconnecting and taking it like a tablet on the go.
This does, however, pretty much eliminate Intel chips from MBPs in the near future. They're already coming close to outperforming the best MBP chips in geekbench. Only a matter of time til it's see ya Intel.
PlainviewX
macrumors 6502a
Full Photoshop for the iPad will push the machine to its absolute limit. When it's released to the public, we'll be able to tell how the iPad holds up. A multi-layer Photoshop file with with smart filters will be as much of a load one can throw at it.
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This is such wasted potential. Nothing with a touch keyboard is going to make use of this.
In an ideal world, Apple would put MacOS on the iPad Pro (or even both, one for real work, one for everything else), and sell a first-party USB-C dock so that you can use it as a real computer at a desk, but then take it with you with all the advantages of having a slim tablet. This concept has been tried before, but we've finally reached a point where a mobile (read: tablet, not laptop) CPU/GPU has equivalent processing power.
In an ideal world, Apple would put MacOS on the iPad Pro (or even both, one for real work, one for everything else), and sell a first-party USB-C dock so that you can use it as a real computer at a desk, but then take it with you with all the advantages of having a slim tablet. This concept has been tried before, but we've finally reached a point where a mobile (read: tablet, not laptop) CPU/GPU has equivalent processing power.
It's not the iPad that has a flexibility problem, it's the software (or lack thereof) for now. Text editing writers have already switched to iPad. Photoshop and AutoCAD users can perform 99% of what they need on iPad pros now. FCPX and Premiere users should be next followed by other creative pros. My point is that if you stop looking at the platform in terms of hardware capabilities compared to other hardware and simply look at it in terms of software that gets your job done, iPad should fully replace laptops in a few years. This is not because it's better but simply because a laptop will be overkill and overpriced.
Rudy69
macrumors 6502a
The move to Intel was pretty easy and a move to ARM would be even easier. The only thing that people would really be upset about would be losing Windows support.... but MS does offer an ARM version and I'm sure they would support new Macs pretty quickly
