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Can someone explain to the naïve user I am how could a barely enhanced iPad 2 launch with such figures?

Even if it was a "barely enhanced iPad 2" (many disagree), there was probably plenty of pent-up demand from customers who really wanted a new iPad, but didn't want to buy the soon-to-be-old-model 2 because of the widespread rumors and general knowledge of Apple's product intro cycles. Maybe even a million or two out of that 3 million. People want iPads. Lots.
 
It's not surprising, the new iPad is really a leap in technology and performance. When people were suggesting the new iPad should get the retina display there was a chorus of nay sayers who claimed that it couldn't be done.

It can't be done if you're Dell perhaps, because they've never pioneered anything that risky in their entire existence. Apple is a company with a track record of making the seemingly impossible a reality.

However they managed to do it, Apple exceeded all expectations by bringing retina display to market in tablet form, increasing the processing and graphics power, while retaining an incredible 10 hours of battery life.

Any company that can deliver a product that far ahead of the competition deserves the success that Apple is having with the launch of the new iPad.

My hope is that with the arrival of the next iPhone, Apple makes some major improvements to battery life. Aside from amazing displays, battery life is another component in portable devices that stands between them being portable desk tops and actual portable devices that have enough battery life to get through an 8 to 10 hour work day without requiring to be plugged in at every opportunity.

If there's a company that is going to solve the battery problem, I can't really see how it won't be Apple or maybe IBM at this point. But I don't think IBM is particularly concerned with portable devices anymore. It's definitely not going to be Dell, HP, or Samsung. Those three companies are too busy waiting to see what Apple does next so that they can rush out a version of their own.
 
Well those stats you linked earlier in the thread were about "shipped" devices, not activations.

While Google brags about the number of Android activations (that includes tons of crippled cheap Android phones sold with voice contracts and limited internet access), as far as I know they never disclosed how many of these activations were tablets.

If their tablets activation numbers were that great, wouldn't they brag about them?

And they sold 3 millions new iPads only according to Apple press release, it doesn't include the iPad 2.

Obviously Android tablet sales are not that good. But, on the other hand, IDC sales data is as good as it gets. They (and Gartner) are the two most reputable sources in this area. We may argue as much as we want about the semantics but IDC data is the only available credible data so they are the ultimate arbiter.
 
Steve took $1 in salary and darn few stock options, and the few he was issued, the government took away 100% based on a GAP mis-pricing (standard pricing). His widow suffered his legal and financial and medical pain.

Such financial pain. Steve was already a multi-billionaire from the Pixar IPO into the Disney acquisition. His trust is reported to still be the largest Disney shareholder. The Apple potential fraction-of-a-billion was just icing after he got his private Gulfstream, taxes prepaid. Wonder what happened to that?
 
I don't know where you live, but in the city where I live, all five BB retail centers are completely sold out of every model, with none available online, both Apple stores are completely sold out, and there are none available yet for pre-order tomorrow. (although this may be because tomorrow's pre-orders have not yet been made available). Can't comment on WalMart, and we have no Target stores. None of the five Future Shops in town have any in stock, and none are available online. It's not like the Playbook, which had more on store shelves than in customers' hands. I suspect that for the time being, Apple is likely selling as many as it can make.

For what it's worth - I'm in NYC. And while I had no interest in the new iPad - today three of the Best Buys (I was looking for a blu-ray movie that just came out) all had plenty of iPads in all sizes.

How many is plenty? I have no idea - their words.
 
yeah right

...One by one there were people returning 1, 2, 4, 10, etc. iPads.
So I bet the real number of iPads sold to real customers is twice as less.
How the hell would that happen? The sales limit was 2 per customer. And "twice as less" would mean that for every one sold, two got returned.
I smell troll...
 
It's not surprising, the new iPad is really a leap in technology and performance. When people were suggesting the new iPad should get the retina display there was a chorus of nay sayers who claimed that it couldn't be done.

It can't be done if you're Dell perhaps, because they've never pioneered anything that risky in their entire existence. Apple is a company with a track record of making the seemingly impossible a reality.

However they managed to do it, Apple exceeded all expectations by bringing retina display to market in tablet form, increasing the processing and graphics power, while retaining an incredible 10 hours of battery life.

Any company that can deliver a product that far ahead of the competition deserves the success that Apple is having with the launch of the new iPad.

My hope is that with the arrival of the next iPhone, Apple makes some major improvements to battery life. Aside from amazing displays, battery life is another component in portable devices that stands between them being portable desk tops and actual portable devices that have enough battery life to get through an 8 to 10 hour work day without requiring to be plugged in at every opportunity.

If there's a company that is going to solve the battery problem, I can't really see how it won't be Apple or maybe IBM at this point. But I don't think IBM is particularly concerned with portable devices anymore. It's definitely not going to be Dell, HP, or Samsung. Those three companies are too busy waiting to see what Apple does next so that they can rush out a version of their own.

How is that a leap when:

* IPS "retina" panels have been around for several years now (not to mention the fact that Apple has nothing to do with their design and manufacturing, lets give credit where credit is due - i.e. to Samsung)
* CPU performance is the same as iPad 2 and lower than most competitors (Tegra 3 and many Samsung CPUs - like the ones in Galaxy SII, Note etc.)
* GPU performance is higher but remember that Apple does not even design GPUs. They take design from Imagination Technologies (as do Sony, Intel and many others). All Apple did this time was that they added two more GPU cores. BTW, Sony Vita has the same design (with faster VRAM - and higher overall performance).

Apple did good in combining these technologies. The final product is good although increased size, weight and charging time represent a very high trade-of price - iPad 2 actually is a better tablet in many respects.

And as far as "far ahead of the competition" is concerned, just take a look at the competition. For example, Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7 offer SAMOLED screen (orders of magnitude better contrast than iPad), half the weight, same 10 hours battery life time, same LTE, support for SD memory cards, stereo speakers, 2MP front side camera (vs. 0.3 MP for iPad 3). And Samsung is rumored to release a tablet with higher resolution than iPad 3 later this year.
 
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lilo777 said:
It's not surprising, the new iPad is really a leap in technology and performance. When people were suggesting the new iPad should get the retina display there was a chorus of nay sayers who claimed that it couldn't be done.

It can't be done if you're Dell perhaps, because they've never pioneered anything that risky in their entire existence. Apple is a company with a track record of making the seemingly impossible a reality.

However they managed to do it, Apple exceeded all expectations by bringing retina display to market in tablet form, increasing the processing and graphics power, while retaining an incredible 10 hours of battery life.

Any company that can deliver a product that far ahead of the competition deserves the success that Apple is having with the launch of the new iPad.

My hope is that with the arrival of the next iPhone, Apple makes some major improvements to battery life. Aside from amazing displays, battery life is another component in portable devices that stands between them being portable desk tops and actual portable devices that have enough battery life to get through an 8 to 10 hour work day without requiring to be plugged in at every opportunity.

If there's a company that is going to solve the battery problem, I can't really see how it won't be Apple or maybe IBM at this point. But I don't think IBM is particularly concerned with portable devices anymore. It's definitely not going to be Dell, HP, or Samsung. Those three companies are too busy waiting to see what Apple does next so that they can rush out a version of their own.

How is that a leap when:

* IPS "retina" panels have been around for several years now (not to mention the fact that Apple has nothing to do with their design and manufacturing, lets give credit where credit is due - i.e. to Samsung)
* CPU performance is the same as iPad 2 and lower than most competitors (Tegra 3 and many Samsung CPUs - like the ones in Galaxy SII, Note etc.)
* GPU performance is higher but remember that Apple does not even design GPUs. They take design from Imagination Technologies (as do Sony, Intel and many others). All Apple did this time was that they added two more GPU cores. BTW, Sony Vita has the same design (with faster VRAM - and higher overall performance).

Apple did good in combining these technologies. The final product is good although increased size, weight and charging time represent a very high trade-of price - iPad 2 actually is a better tablet in many respects.

And as far as "far ahead of the competition" is concerned, just take a look at the competition. For example, Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7 offer SAMOLED screen (orders of magnitude better contrast than iPad), half the weight, same 10 hours battery life time, same LTE, support for SD memory cards, stereo speakers, 2MP front side camera (vs. 0.3 MP for iPad 3). And Samsung is rumored to release a tablet with higher resolution than iPad 3 later this year.

It's a leap because no one said it could be done before it was done, and there were quite a few discussions about that here. That was all before it was released.

Now that is has been released there are a bunch of people who have magically developed 20/20 hindsight.
 
uh huh

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Oh please! Get real! It's just one store!
There are thousands of stores like this one around the world and they all have the same scenario these days.
You should've seen that line! It was a constant long, not even one line, of people returning iPads! It looked ridiculous, as if customers were supplying the store with the iPads. The check-out counter table was full of boxes with iPads.

You've got a MacBook Pro, a MacBook Air, an iPhone, and an iPad, and you didn't manage to get ANY video or even still photos of this phenomenally unbelievable event?! What a shock! Did you see Bigfoot and Elvis returning their new iPads too?

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Oh really. And you know that how?

I'm betting you don't. You likely have zero clue how many units there were at any store, Apple or not and how many were unsold. But you find it amusing to talk out of your tomahawk like you are some big expert.

I have one datapoint about one store: The Verizon wireless store I went to had 10 total, 5x 32GB and 5x 64GB. 8 black and 2 white. At 10:15am I was buying the last black 64G one while the lady next to me was buying the last 32G white one.
 
The numbers were reported on most tech sites. Do you guys even read anything but MacRumors and AppleInsider? :confused:

Here is the link.



Again, only Apple fans keep making this point. Probably because they believe that iPad inventories in BestBuy, Target, WalMart etc. should be considered as "sold".

It's valid. It's not 45% of the tablet market. It's 45% of shipments for the tablet market. That's a more accurate statement. People are going to point out flaws in your statements because they aren't accurate. Apple reports on what has sold not in shipments. Go back and re read apples press releases carefully and notice the difference in the wording. Also one has to consider what is in people's hands ie install base.
 
If they are sitting in a non-Apple store, then they're already counted as "sold" by Apple.



Apple didn't have to deliver 3 million iPads within 3 days. They just have to begin to ship them.

Apple counts sales from the moment that payment is probable and title leaves their hands. E.g. usually when shipped.

For example, if Walmart ordered 1 million iPads, and those were still on the way from China or in a Walmart distribution center, then those iPads count in the 3 million total. Ditto for all the other iPads bought by resellers around the world.

We don't know how many actually were bought by an end customer during that time period, but that's not the point of such a press release.

The headlines actually tell us far more about reseller confidence, if you think about it.
Again with the guessing and no proof to back up that statement.
 
The proper perspective is that last quarter Android tablets reached 45% market and are expected to overtake iTab in a year or two. Remember that there 355 days in a year. All (well most) Apple fans buy the new product on the same day. Android fans do not have such mentality.

If you are going to make an argument get your fundamental facts right. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
3 million sold but 2.9 million were upgrades from current iPad owners.:D

I get why Apple Fanbois bought an original iPad. But why did they all buy 2 iPad 2's? And why are they buying 4 of the new iPads?

Hey you don't think other people might be buying them too, do you?
 
And as far as "far ahead of the competition" is concerned, just take a look at the competition. For example, Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7 offer SAMOLED screen (orders of magnitude better contrast than iPad), half the weight, same 10 hours battery life time, same LTE, support for SD memory cards, stereo speakers, 2MP front side camera (vs. 0.3 MP for iPad 3). And Samsung is rumored to release a tablet with higher resolution than iPad 3 later this year.

Also half the size.
And yet no one is buying their stuff in any meaningful quantities.
 
If they are sitting in a non-Apple store, then they're already counted as "sold" by Apple.



Apple didn't have to deliver 3 million iPads within 3 days. They just have to begin to ship them.

Apple counts sales from the moment that payment is probable and title leaves their hands. E.g. usually when shipped.

For example, if Walmart ordered 1 million iPads, and those were still on the way from China or in a Walmart distribution center, then those iPads count in the 3 million total. Ditto for all the other iPads bought by resellers around the world.

We don't know how many actually were bought by an end customer during that time period, but that's not the point of such a press release.

The headlines actually tell us far more about reseller confidence, if you think about it.

What makes this statement so frustrating is that it's almost true. Apple doesn't ever report how many of its products that it "ships" like many companies do. And that is because retailers have to buy Apple's products and then "resell" them. Hence they are, as you said, resellers.

Those iPads on the selves in Wal-Mart are counted as sold, because they are. The ones on selves in Apple's own stores are not counted, until they leave the store.

The numbers are sound, they sold 3 million. And while not all of them have made it into the end users hands, history proves they will not be gathering dust on selves next to Xooms and Playbooks.
 
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