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Go pick up an S8. Hold it in your hand and come back here and tell us it's not amazing.

First, it looks incredible with bezeless edges (just like any other screen or device that does the same, like every high-end TV).

Second, without bezels, the phone is more efficient with space; it's either narrower than an equivalent iPhone OR is has a wider screen. To argue otherwise is incredulously "fan-boyish."

Of course, but you leave out the upper and lower bezels of the s8 which are much bigger than the rumored iphone 8. Which almost has no bezels. That has an incredible futuristic look. To argue otherwise is incredulously "fan-boyish.
 
Why we need less bezel? Why Apple needs to do everything their competitors do? Why Apple need to play catch up? Where is the point of competition?
I just don’t understand. Bezel means nothing to me. I need a comfortably held phone not an eye candy. Honestly don’t understand some of those obsessions against bezel. Look at those iPad. Easy to be bent, although having thick bezel may not help much.
Because getting rid of bezels is the only way to deliver a big screen in a small(ish) form factor. Which is pretty much your requirement of a comfortably held phone - unlike the gargantuan Plus models which are an ergonomic flop.
 
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Not sure why people aren't understanding the cut-out at the top. This:

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Ugly. Just ugh.
By no way this would ever happen.
 
^ Look at the huge size of that monstrous bottom bezel!!!

Are we looking at the same picture?!?!?

Some people are really exaggerating. Bezels should be there to make our lives easier* not having them for aesthetics is dumm.

(*) and by easier I don't mean to have a 5+" screen. I will never have a iPhone Plus, it is ridiculous big, for handling and for having it in the pocket. If I need a "big" screen, that's what the Macbook is for (I don't have the need to overcompensate ;-) )
 
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Are we looking at the same picture?!?!?

Some people are really exaggerating. Bezels should be there to make our lives easier* not having them for aesthetics is dumm.

(*) and by easier I don't mean to have a 5+" screen. I will never have a iPhone Plus, it is ridiculous big, for handling and for having it in the pocket. If I need a "big" screen, thats what the Macbook is for (I don't have the need to overcompensate ;-) )
No, you just need an expensive macbook AND an expensive iphone.
No overcompensation at all...
 
^ Look at the huge size of that monstrous bottom bezel!!!
Are we looking at the same picture?!?!?
I was indeed exaggerating for comic effect - I am a bezel fan myself as indicated in my earlier interaction in this thread.
Look at the pic. It still has significant bezel. Unlike S8.
It has about the minimum bezel I want on a smartphone - the fingers in the pic are already overlapping the image.

Though FTR, the bottom bezel on the S8 is significantly larger than the one on this leak/mockup iPhone.

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Of course, but you leave out the upper and lower bezels of the s8 which are much bigger than the rumored iphone 8. Which almost has no bezels. That has an incredible futuristic look. To argue otherwise is incredulously "fan-boyish.
I don't disagree with you about the top and bottom - I was just referring to the sides. Either way, I suppose it's all speculation until it's revealed.
 
No, you just need an expensive macbook AND an expensive iphone.
No overcompensation at all...

Why expensive?

Expensive is relative.

I bought my brand new base 13" MBP Early 2011, the first one ever with thunderbolt, in May 2011 for ~850€ (Discounted from 1150€ in a promotional sale) and sold it recently for ~550€. That is a mere 300€ in almost 6 years or 50€/year or 4,17€/month.

Note: I actually upgraded it myself to SSD and 8GB RAM, these cost aren't included.

In January bought a base 13" MBP 2016 for ~1250€ (again discounted from ~1700€) and I plan to use it as long as I can and I will wait for some promotion when I am ready to buy a new one... there is no rush, and I don't have to have the newest and shiniest each time a new MBP is released.

My first and current iPhone is a SE bought also this January. Before that I have had a Nokia 5310 XpressMusic bought new in 2008 for ~250€, yep that is 9 years with the same phone (it still works and battery holds nicely).

I waited for a good price (the iPhone 7 32GB is too expensive at 739€). ... and guess what? I will "upgrade" it when a good price for the iPhone 7, 7s or 8 comes in... which model I will buy depends on features, handling and so on.

So, as I said, expensive is relative.
 
Look at the pic. It still has significant bezel. Unlike S8. Which is disappointing. The perfect iPhone is still a few generating away!
Well then. Good luck when you try not to cover media control on the screen or touch the video player or obstruct subtitles or parts of controls... the list go on and on.
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Why is it ugly?
iPhones always had a "forehead" , and now it shows a few signs and it is ugly?
Because of the so awkwardly placed clocks and white spaces where icons should be? That clock would better be in one side of those two cut outs rather than below the speaker. But again, extra programming effort for just this version of iPhone.
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Because getting rid of bezels is the only way to deliver a big screen in a small(ish) form factor. Which is pretty much your requirement of a comfortably held phone - unlike the gargantuan Plus models which are an ergonomic flop.
You know, your hand will cover some area of your phone regardless of how you hold it. Previously, these areas are bezels. No big deal, I still can see whatever I need to. Now no bezels. Hand WILL cover parts of screen areas, causing accidental touch. And no, palm rejection cannot be applied here.

I can tell you, when I try to watch YouTube in landscape while laying on bed, I need to carefully choose the way I handle the phone to not cover the screen and avoid triggering video control. This is on an iPhone 6s Plus which does have bezels. Can’t imagine how Apple solve this problem in this special edition iPhone.
 
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I've always used chinky cases on my smartphones because i end up accidentally stuff if I don't. Bezel-free = useless for folks like me that have less than stellar skills required to keep fingers in ideal spots on a tiny slippery screen.
 
I've always used chinky cases on my smartphones because i end up accidentally stuff if I don't. Bezel-free = useless for folks like me that have less than stellar skills required to keep fingers in ideal spots on a tiny slippery screen.

Being usability is one of the priorities of Apple (at least it was), I am starting to think that some people want unreasonable bezels or bezel-free iPhones only to see it failing (as if they really were pro-Samsung/Android or whatever)

There was a time, a fantastical time, where Apple did the choices without hearing the consumers and definitely not following other manufacturers. I hope the current trend ends and they go back to what it was in pre-Cook era.
 
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The effect of what? Are you looking for the illusion that there is no phone there at all -- just a screen floating in space?

The S8 pulled it off pretty well so I don't know why Apple can't. Again, this is a big improvement and maybe the real thing will look a lot better -- but based on these leaks and models the S8 is still the more attractive design.
 
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The S8 pulled it off pretty well so I don't know why Apple can't. Again, this is a big improvement and maybe the real thing will look a lot better -- but based on these leaks and models the S8 is still the more attractive design.
I completely agree.

I can't believe people are defending an inferior design (with bezels)...a bezel-free slate of glass has been Apple's (specifically Jonathan Ive's) goal from day one. Samsung delivered, and it's stunning. If Apple doesn't, it will be perceived as inferior.
 
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I completely agree.

I can't believe people are defending an inferior design (with bezels)...a bezel-free slate of glass has been Apple's (specifically Jonathan Ive's) goal from day one. Samsung delivered, and it's stunning. If Apple doesn't, it will be perceived as inferior.

Apple doesn't do things until it makes sense to do so, Samsung does crap even when it is half assed, like pushing really horrible OLED screens for 3-4 years before finally getting things right.

Bezel less is not an "the objective", that's a spec point. But, I'm sure Androidites love their specs heh.
Having warped crap on the side, and yes I've used the S8, means it is not bezel less either btw.
Not to mention that it makes the phone structurally weaker (but, who cares about this heh).
Not to mention the idiotic back fingerprint scanner.
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So basically from now on, every iPhone (and other brands once they adopt this technology) will look the same. Only software will make a difference

What tech, fingerprint scanner under screen? You do know there is some hardware under the screen that this software has to interact with and that Apple design this hardware too.
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It is NO less useless than the black bars. The difference is that it looks better. WAY better. To argue otherwise is futile.

So, look over function hey, good for you to admit this.
So, you lose front fingerprint scanner for a dumbass misplaced back one, don't really gain much of actual usable screen space because of reflections and make your phone structurally weaker because of the bent corners; fine user experience there bud.
Maybe get a course in rhetoric next time, cause you need it bad.
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Of course, but you leave out the upper and lower bezels of the s8 which are much bigger than the rumored iphone 8. Which almost has no bezels. That has an incredible futuristic look. To argue otherwise is incredulously "fan-boyish.

And the side curves are almost non existent and thus has less reflections, which means it would have more usable front and top space.
 
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Well, let those bezel hate guys continue to hate. One day, they will realize how painful a bezel-less design could be.
iPhone could be a piece of art, after it fulfills the purpose of being a phone.
 
I completely agree.

I can't believe people are defending an inferior design (with bezels)...a bezel-free slate of glass has been Apple's (specifically Jonathan Ive's) goal from day one. Samsung delivered, and it's stunning. If Apple doesn't, it will be perceived as inferior.

An inferior design? Please...
 
I'm 100% convinced that the TouchID will be on the back of the phone.
Well, you're 100% wrong.
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I don't think this is a good representation of how the software will appear with regard to the bezels, but regardless, this is going to be an amazing phone.
Correct, these people don't seem to have any imagination in that regard, so they just fill every pixel with the same image.
But it at least serves to show every spot that has pixels.

Edit: nevermind
 
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