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New iPhone Patent Suggests Touch ID May Live on in a Different Form

filmantopia said:
Why wouldn't they be able to make it trigger? What an odd thing to worry about.
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Where did you get the idea I was worried about anything, odd or not? Why would I worry about a patent idea? What an odd thing to infer. ???:confused:???

I was wondering how it all works and if it draws from the battery on a constant basis as sort of an always on state or if it was triggered. I don't build these things. I just read about them at breakfast. ;)
 
I'm all for the adding of these nifty locking methods, but as long as they default (as they currently do) to still requiring you to enter a pin/password on reboot or power cycle lock.

Its getting really scary now entering the US:

http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/12/1...ar-detained-cbp-phone-search-trump-travel-ban

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/21/campaign_against_digital_border_searches/?mt=1487823137746

and what with them now able to "force" fingerprint unlocking, password divulging is still protected under "self incrimination" and right to silence US constitutional rights.

Thats why Apple is smart to have it currently require password on power cycle regardless of fingerprint access turned on.
 
Sounds pretty cool! There's no way Touch ID is going away, that's like saying Siri is doing so. It is evolving (Siri on the other hand...)
 
GrumpyMom said:
It sounds like it could be a drain on the battery if it's actively sending out sound waves. Is it doing this all the time or is it a triggered function? I would imagine Apple would not implement it unless all possible drawbacks are resolved. They patent so many interesting things that don't get implemented for years, if ever.
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Apple built the motion co-processor for constant motion data, I'm sure they would do something similar for this data.
 
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johngordon said:
Maybe, maybe not. It just seems like the sort of thing people say every year.
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No doubt someone does say it every year, that's just the nature of a crowd. My personal opinion is this is the only year I've felt underwhelmed, and it manifested itself in a lack of desire to buy one. Every year prior I've felt an urge to get my hands on it day one, with iPhone 7 - not so much. Still rocking my 6S.
 
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You'll be able to see this similar tech in upcoming Surface Pocket which is widely expected to have all screen fingerprint recognition should be out soon and enterprise ready. Apl ist trying to copy Hello so it seems now they got wind of Surface Pocket and trying to copy that too,..its what they do

Like most apl patents they will likely fail to bring it to market
 
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WatchFromAfar said:
If Apple had to remove the headphone jack from the 7 series iPhone because of space issues how pray-tell are they going to fit all this cool new tech into the same form factor? Or was the space issue just BS?
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How about the new acoustic fingerprint verification technology, along with removing the mechanical home button, result in occupying less internal volume.
 
I'm still guessing the bottom function section will host this and it will be a feature of the new iPhone 7s.
My guess is the bottom home section on the 7s will be replaced with a separate oled strip such as on the new MacBooks.
Highly doubt the software for it in iOS 11 would be for only the new special model.
 
johngordon said:
Presumably they didn't just need more space, they need space to contain the things they wanted the phone to contain.
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Its amazing...

...the iPhone 3G was only a small update from the original iPhone
...the iPhone 3GS was only a small update from the iPhone 3G
...the iPhone 4 was only a small update from the iPhone 3GS
...the iPhone 4S was only a small update from the iPhone 4
...the iPhone 5 was only a small update from the iPhone 4S
...the iPhone 5S was only a small update from the iPhone 5
...the iPhone 6 was only a small update from the iPhone 5S
...the iPhone 6S was only a small update from the iPhone 6
...the iPhone 7 was only a small update from the iPhone 6S

And yet here we are in 2017, where the iPhone 7 is virtually unrecognisable from the original iPhone.

Weird, huh?
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"And yet here we are in 2017, where the iPhone 7 is virtually unrecognisable from the original iPhone."

Yup... Apple's latest phone still has a display for viewing, a microphone for talking, and a tiny speaker for listening. All packaged in a rectangular case that fits in your hand.
 
citysnaps said:
"And yet here we are in 2017, where the iPhone 7 is virtually unrecognisable from the original iPhone."

Yup... Apple's latest phone still has a display for viewing, a microphone for talking, and a tiny speaker for listening. All in a rectangular case that fits in your hand.
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Same old chicklet grid too, yay...same old siri, same old only for apl pay nfc...new colors and easier to bend/break..oh and the price ..."wow"

...been 10 years time to move on people. This device is done and is aging out... after GPS not much to add
 
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Rocketman said:
Make the Apple logo an active device.
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god i hope not. I see it on all these new devices like the pixel and think 1) how ugly the random circle on the back looks 2) how annoying it would be to mess with it accidentally 3) how will i unlock it while it is face up on my desk 4) how i never hold my phone with any finger sitting in the middle of the back.

if it was in addition to something on the front, and still just looked like the ordinary apple logo on the back, i wouldn't hate it
 
BoltmanLives said:
Same old chicklet grid too, yay...same old siri, same old only for apl pay nfc...new colors and easier to bend/break..oh and the price ..."wow"

...been 10 years time to move on people. This device is done and is aging out... after GPS not much to add
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Where do I even start with this? o_Oo_O
 
Apple loves to spend ridiculous R&D budget on a problem that doesn't exist while they continue to use off the shelf battery technology and done seem to want to solve "hard" problems. Gimmicks to drive more upgrade sales.

While I can't blame a company for needing to put huge R&D into a product that makes so much money regardless of how little changes between releases, at some point a company like Apple is going to have to invest a lot more into innovation R&D and not just blow it on building cathedrals to contain their hubris.

I would like to see Apple invest in solving the battery issue. They need to help develop next generation battery technology that not only solves device power life issues but could usher in a new era of EV cars and renewable home or even city power solutions that do not rely on raping the earth of all its Lithium and fossil fuels. Its a win win for Apple if they make a battery to keep an iPhone alive for a few days AND can deliver a product to make EV car batteries lighter and have higher capacity energy storage. They can just buy or invest in many companies struggling to develop this technology and its chump change for Apple.

Apple has enough capital to solve some REAL problems not only facing their own products but the world in general, yet they seem intent on dumping money into vapid features that really don't bring anything new to the game other then a slightly faster way to unlock a boring phone. I am tired of Apple being so self absorbed by only spending money on vapid product advances and NEVER contributing anything back to society except another expensive slightly enhanced product.

I would like to see Apple start paying back consumers after years of taking their money by INNOVATING something beneficial to society for once; facial recognition or enhanced touch id, nobody is screaming a need for this
 
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Same old chicklet grid too, yay...same old siri, same old only for apl pay nfc...new colors and easier to bend/break..oh and the price ..."wow"

...been 10 years time to move on people. This device is done and is aging out... after GPS not much to add
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Yup... Apple manufactured, sold, and delivered roughly 858K phones every day (on average) during the first quarter of this year. Needless to say there are a lot of people who don't share your views.

Keep trying though. It's loads of fun seeing you trying to deal with that through such adorable tiny rants!
 
TouchID is so useful I would switch platforms if its replacement was even a tiny bit worse. Its just that good. But lately Apple cannot seem to figure out which features are great and which are just so so. Wireless charging - who cares - still connected to a cable somewhere.
 
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Wowereit said:
Well, they were first on the market and OnePlus 3(T) has the fastest and (even under hard conditions like wet fingers) most reliable fingerprint reader currently available.
They're probably sourcing those parts from a third party and didn't invent the technology themselves, but ultrasound fingerprint readers are available on mass market products since Q2 2016 so filing a patent now seems a bit broad.
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They used Qualcomm Sense ID technology.
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/features/security/sense-id
 
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Whatever they do, I hope that they keep TouchID. I can't think of a more convenient way to unlock my phone. I'm not sold on retina scanning or facial recognition.
 
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WatchFromAfar said:
If Apple had to remove the headphone jack from the 7 series iPhone because of space issues how pray-tell are they going to fit all this cool new tech into the same form factor? Or was the space issue just BS?
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You said it (cool new tech)
Hadphone jack was a waste of space and not cool new tech that's why it had to go. Lots of people are daft enough not to understand this. O my good, they removed the head phone jack???? What I am gonna do? How am gonna listen to music?? But but it have been around longer then my grandpa!!! The world as we know it is gonna end.......bla bla bla
It appears as in the end no one gave much crap!
 
ChrisCW11 said:
Apple loves to spend ridiculous R&D budget on a problem that doesn't exist while they continue to use off the shelf battery technology and done seem to want to solve "hard" problems. Gimmicks to drive more upgrade sales.

While I can't blame a company for needing to put huge R&D into a product that makes so much money regardless of how little changes between releases, at some point a company like Apple is going to have to invest a lot more into innovation R&D and not just blow it on building cathedrals to contain their hubris.

I would like to see Apple invest in solving the battery issue. They need to help develop next generation battery technology that not only solves device power life issues but could usher in a new era of EV cars and renewable home or even city power solutions that do not rely on raping the earth of all its Lithium and fossil fuels. Its a win win for Apple if they make a battery to keep an iPhone alive for a few days AND can deliver a product to make EV car batteries lighter and have higher capacity energy storage. They can just buy or invest in many companies struggling to develop this technology and its chump change for Apple.

Apple has enough capital to solve some REAL problems not only facing their own products but the world in general, yet they seem intent on dumping money into vapid features that really don't bring anything new to the game other then a slightly faster way to unlock a boring phone. I am tired of Apple being so self absorbed by only spending money on vapid product advances and NEVER contributing anything back to society except another expensive slightly enhanced product.

I would like to see Apple start paying back consumers after years of taking their money by INNOVATING something beneficial to society for once; facial recognition or enhanced touch id, nobody is screaming a need for this
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One word: PIPELINE
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joeblow7777 said:
Whatever they do, I hope that they keep TouchID. I can't think of a more convenient way to unlock my phone. I'm not sold on retina scanning or facial recognition.
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You obvious have not tried Windows Hello Facial recognition...that's ok
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citysnaps said:
Yup... Apple manufactured, sold, and delivered roughly 858K phones every day (on average) during the first quarter of this year. Needless to say there are a lot of people who don't share your views.

Keep trying though. It's loads of fun seeing you trying to deal with that through such adorable tiny rants!
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Those are shipped #'s not sold #'s, thee was a time they ordered 90M phones and had to scale way back (6s) reminds me of the 160M OLED screens order from Samsung, wishful thinking I believe for the >$1000 X/Pro <$1000 7/7s deal..bet that's another um lets cut that order , no one is buying year 4 of exact same design and we are selling few of the > $1000 ones like the ipad pro stuff

so much early hype around the X/pro its bound to be a disappointment.

Would it not be really cool for apl to design something new (not an iphone accessory like the Watch or a gimped product like TV) but something new?? Been a while.
 
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Ankou_Sabat said:
Its getting really scary now entering the US:

http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/12/1...ar-detained-cbp-phone-search-trump-travel-ban

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/21/campaign_against_digital_border_searches/?mt=1487823137746

and what with them now able to "force" fingerprint unlocking, password divulging is still protected under "self incrimination" and right to silence US constitutional rights.
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If you are only a visa holder (a "visitor", a "temporary worker", a "resident", etc) and not a US citizen, the present ICE authorities (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) appear to have the clear mandate to search at port of entry, without fear of constitutional protections. [If you ever have stepped footprint on any of the seven countries subject to the entry ban, you are toast as well.]

I do not think that a password will stop an ICE agent demanding you unlock your device, and will deny you access unless you comply.

It is "Make America Great Again". /sarcasm
 
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