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And 90% of those millions of millions use the 3.5" jack that comes with the headphones that ship with their iPhone. Meaning those 90% won't miss the headphone jack while using their Earpods (Lightning headphones shipping with recent iPhones).
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Now people have to manage/lose a dongle when they switch headphones to something else.
Apple life = Dongle life!
You don't get it, removing the headphone jack is not about the advantages that brings. Apple removed it because they can. Because they revel in simplicity.
Apple removed it for one and only one reason - to sell $159 wireless headphones.

Please don’t kid yourself with this “courage”crap. It’s all for $$$ - customer choice be damned.
 
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And 90% of the time people don't charge and listen at the same time. And thus having only one port is the 90% solution.

Moreover, while doing so you are tethered to your desk (or seat). And if you have some freedom on what to install on your computer, you could listen to things by using your computer and plugging in your headphones to your computer.

It's funny how much this reflects on the biggest critique I have with Apple since 2013, namely their focus on quantity instead of quantity...thinness/weight instead of the user experience and features/flexibility. # of innovations since last release instead of the meaningless of any innovations since last release. There are a host of things on our i-devices we use less than 10% of the time but where their absence results in near 100% inconvenience and annoyance...

If I add up %'s, I charge my phone at work at least 20-25% of the day (5-8 hours a day, easily) because...20-30% of the day I'm listening to a podcast or music on my phone that's not on my work computer.

90% of the time we aren't togging the mute switch, should that be moved to the control panel? We don't use certain parts of our anatomy to go to the restroom, should those be removed?

I've switched to Bluetooth headphones two years before I got my first headphonejack-less iPhone. I wouldn't want to go back. But then 90% of my headphone use is away from any desk. While you have to charge one more thing every night, Bluetooth headphones allow you to charge your phone while you a walking around in your home or office.

I hope I can explain this without sounding like whining. Very honestly: yes one *could* do what you describe. But there's a certain instantness from plugging in your headphone that's light years quicker than connecting bluetooth headphones. At home, my phone is bluetooth-enabled for my TV home theater, my JBL speaker, my laptop, my mac pro, etc. Same for my iPad. Too often there's this tug-of-war dance I need to do with toggling bluetooth on & off on one or both of my i-devices when I want to connect one of them to one of my those stereo/computer items, and it just gets annoying after a while. Same thing with my LifeX lights which I love, but which have a certain annoying delay when calling up my iOS app to control them...same thing for my SimpliSafe alarm system and the iOS app delay to control it... I play music often from my i-device and charge simultaneously often due to the battery drain, and the instantness of a cabled connection is something I value greatly and would truly miss...then if I needed to keep track of a Y-jack, that'd start adding those annoying delays to something that was once *instant* and easy. Unfortunately, replacing the "instant and easy" solution with something "elegant and minimalist" is too-often Apple's MO these days... Leading to:

You forgot Steve in that list. Jobs was quite happy to remove ports as well. Apple, at least since Jobs returned in 1998, was always a 90% company.

I agree, and it was often in ways that focused on benefitting the user/customer as opposed to today, where the majority of ports/functions/features removed by Apple feels too often to be rooted mostly in trying to make a statement and "force the future."

Not to canonize Steve too much, but the majority of things he didseemed rooted in surprising and pleasing the customer; he'd remove something but the pain didn't last, and there were obvious advantages to the customer as a result.

On the other hand, most things removed since 2013 (intuitiveness in the software, tactile/moving trackpads, ports, etc) have resulted in lasting pain and decreased ease/flexibility of use by the customer. The majority of "courage" displayed by Jony, Phil, and Timmy after 2013 feels way too rooted in trying to please the design team's desire to run minimalism design contests for how "they" feel things should work. Such as...:

Although I like your post, I firmly believe removing the jack is mostly the result of Jony Ive and other so-called expert designers trying to over-apply Apple’s golden bullet of minimalism too unnecessarily far, and for no good reason other than to challenge and entertain themselves. That’s about it. It was one thing to minimize past the “Intel inside” sticker graffiti and silly multi-colored & textured case designs (by others) when going to a clean-looking unibody MacBook. Similarly for removing optical drives when downloadable software and digital music were clearly the future...generally a win-win for all. This current minimalization war on ports, Magsafe, function keys, home buttons, headphone jacks, removable SDDs (all the things that make a phone or laptop convenient and flexible to use) all seem to have noticeably negative impacts to the customer/user experience while providing no clear functional improvement to the customer that outweigh the negatives. But it lets Apple stretch courageously and make something thinner and lighter. That’s about it.

Yup, from Apple's point of view, mostly a budget phone with the added benefit of satisfying the small-phone fans. Not only would 'innovation' cost money, Apple needs to have a wide-enough feature-gap between a $350 (SE) and $699 (iPhone 8) phone.

Agree. It would be truly wonderful if Apple offered a "contrarian" option in both price and "elegantness of removed hardware features supposedly for the benefit of the customer" that was grams heavier than their flagship phone(s) but also offered certain caveman-like conveniences like headphone ports, an intuitive UI closer to the intuitive iOS6 way of interacting with the user, and even a switch for screen-rotate like the early iPads (which I would LOVE) to have, as I flip the screen often each day...)

You don't get it, removing the headphone jack is not about the advantages that brings. Apple removed it because they can. Because they revel in simplicity.

Sir, I agree with you 100%. :)

I wouldn't have advised Apple to remove it. I don't applaud Apple for removing it. I simply accept that this is how Apple rolls.

Sir, now I am jealous of your ability to accept like that. I'd gladly buy you a beer, I admire your last two posts so much. :)
 
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I agree that we don't need more government regulation, but headphones are not 100 year old tech.

"In 1958, John C. Koss, an audiophile and jazz musician from Milwaukee, produced the first stereo headphones. Previously, headphones were used only by the US navy, telephone and radio operators, and individuals in similar industries." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headphones#History

some things that are 100 years old still work great and the replacement for them is not better. This is one of those cases.

Having to anticipate when I'm going to want to listen to music with enough time to have a charged set of headphones around plainly sucks. Mabye when airlines are handing out bluetooth headphones for free on their flights, like they do with wired headphones, than it will be close... but that ain't happening any time soon as far as I can see.
The jack itself:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_connector_(audio)

“Modern phone connectors are available in three standard sizes. The original 1⁄4 in (6.35 mm) version dates from as early as 1878, when an early version was used for the first commercial manual telephone exchange[11][12] in New Haven, Connecticut created by George W. Coy,[13][14] making it perhaps the oldest electrical connector standard still in use, to this day being the most prominent plug connector on mainstream musical equipment, especially on standard electric guitars.”

https://techcrunch.com/2016/09/07/headphone-jack-rip/

“The 3.5mm jack (or “mini jack”, “headphone jack” or “TRS jack”) is a descendant from the quarter-inch jack. It was originally invented to make it easy for telephone operators to make connections on their switchboards back in the 1870s some time. The design is simple and has proven to withstand the test of time. I mean, when was the last time you used tech from 140 years ago?”
 
I mean, when was the last time you used tech from 140 years ago?”

How much ancient tech have you removed from your life due to this disdain? Your plumbing, your toilet, the round wheels on your car, all the coat hangers in your closet? Should all stradivarius violins be turned into firewood and replaced with theremins? That's a ridiculous rationale. There's a reason why certain tech endures because of its robustness, convenience, flexibility, and/or any combination of those. Change for the sake of change with seemingly zero consideration to what's taken away from the user is the unfortunate guiding theme of today's Apple since 2013, an unfortunate combination of lack of experience, lack of vision, selfishness, lack of true design expertise rooted in the big picture, etc.
 
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Been hitting the gym lately and since busted three 3.5mm to Lightning dongles (dropping the phone while running and tripping the earphone cables over gym equipment) in the span of 2 months, I decided to give wireless earphones a try for a month now.

Not a fan. My ears were spoiled by my existing cabled earphones. I'm now back to my cabled earphones for day to day usage, even on my commute to the gym, and only use the wireless earphones out when I'm in the gym. Heck, I'm back to using my cabled ones for running.

Wireless may be liberating, but it's not life-changing. At least not yet. I'll probably wait for say Airpods Gen2 or 3 or maybe another 5 years before getting another pair of wireless earphones.
 
How much ancient tech have you removed from your life due to this disdain? Your plumbing, your toilet, the round wheels on your car, all the coat hangers in your closet? Should all stradivarius violins be turned into firewood and replaced with theremins? That's a ridiculous rationale. There's a reason why certain tech endures because of its robustness, convenience, flexibility, and/or any combination of those. Change for the sake of change with seemingly zero consideration to what's taken away from the user is the unfortunate guiding theme of today's Apple since 2013, an unfortunate combination of lack of experience, lack of vision, selfishness, lack of true design expertise rooted in the big picture, etc.
Yeah.... I didn’t say thay. I quoted a link. So maybe ask the person that question who wrote the article?

Now these items don’t have a replacement. I’ve said this before, I just don’t have feelings or care either way for the jack. I like iOS enough to over see it, and just don’t care about the jack. At all. As long as I can listen to my music, I am happy. If people are this strongly against Apple remove it, then go to another phone maker that has it. I bought the iPhone 7 knowing it didn’t have a jack. If I bought the iPhone 7 knowing it didn’t have a jack, then complained about it, who’s fault is it?
 
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Yeah.... I didn’t say thay. I quoted a link. So maybe ask the person that question who wrote the article?

Now these items don’t have a replacement. I’ve said this before, I just don’t have feelings or care either way for the jack. I like iOS enough to over see it, and just don’t care about the jack. At all. As long as I can listen to my music, I am happy. If people are this strongly against Apple remove it, then go to another phone maker that has it. I bought the iPhone 7 knowing it didn’t have a jack. If I bought the iPhone 7 knowing it didn’t have a jack, then complained about it, who’s fault is it?

Unfortunately, switching is not that simple. Do you think it’s a simple solution? It’s not like cars where there are dozens and dozens of manufacturers with options. Plus, the one main option has a much worse operating system than Apple and tends to copy Apple. Finally, switching has many negative effects, which would at least be following Apple‘s thing nowadays, where they really don’t seem to care about negative effects on to users for many of their decisions. So really, how much room for switching is there? Only option is to voice complaints directly to Apple, using Macrumors as a place to vent and as a sounding board to investigate how many have thoughts like my own.

And, patiently wait for someone at Apple to get it, since they are going to run out of options for things to remove and reach a point where the only options are to start adding things back.
 
Unfortunately, switching is not that simple. Do you think it’s a simple solution? It’s not like cars where there are dozens and dozens of manufacturers with options. Plus, the one main option has a much worse operating system than Apple and tends to copy Apple. Finally, switching has many negative effects, which would at least be following Apple‘s thing nowadays, where they really don’t seem to care about negative effects on to users for many of their decisions. So really, how much room for switching is there? Only option is to voice complaints directly to Apple, using Macrumors as a place to vent and as a sounding board to investigate how many have thoughts like my own.
If I am unhappy with something, I will switch at a drop of a hat. When I got my 1st Mac, I just did it and learned on the fly. Now I got a System 76 computer, again, learning in the fly. I am loyal to my wallet and my sanity. I’m even thinking about getting a Pixel phone to play with, who knows, I might switch. Of all the Android phones, I think the Pixel is probably the best out there.

One thing I have learned over my many years on the internet, the complainers will always have a loud voice. It something is good for a person, you’ll rarely hear from that person.

I get people don’t like the lack of a head phone jack. But if these people keep buying it the iPhone, and then complaining, I don’t get it. People need to vote with their wallet.

And, patiently wait for someone at Apple to get it, since they are going to run out of options for things to remove and reach a point where the only options are to start adding things back.
As long as the iPhone keeps selling in record numbers, why would Apple change? I bet they will not add the 3.5 jack back either.
If the iPhone 7,8 and X didn’t sell, stocks sank, I bet they would rethink it.
 
If I am unhappy with something, I will switch at a drop of a hat. When I got my 1st Mac, I just did it and learned on the fly. Now I got a System 76 computer, again, learning in the fly. I am loyal to my wallet and my sanity. I’m even thinking about getting a Pixel phone to play with, who knows, I might switch. Of all the Android phones, I think the Pixel is probably the best out there.

One thing I have learned over my many years on the internet, the complainers will always have a loud voice. It something is good for a person, you’ll rarely hear from that person.

I get people don’t like the lack of a head phone jack. But if these people keep buying it the iPhone, and then complaining, I don’t get it. People need to vote with their wallet.


As long as the iPhone keeps selling in record numbers, why would Apple change? I bet they will not add the 3.5 jack back either.
If the iPhone 7,8 and X didn’t sell, stocks sank, I bet they would rethink it.

Kindly re-read my prior post, to maybe gain some broadening of thought for how others think. Their opinions are no less or more valuable than your own.
Pixel may work for you, but it is still hindered by android who’s UI is even worse than iOS 7 to iOS 11. I feel fairly confident today’s self-minded and closed-minded designers in charge at Apple will be replaced. Things go in cycles, and hopefully feedback to Apple from me and others will just accelerate that.
 
Kindly re-read my prior post, to maybe gain some broadening of thought for how others think. Their opinions are no less or more valuable than your own.
Pixel may work for you, but it is still hindered by android who’s UI is even worse than iOS 7 to iOS 11. I feel fairly confident today’s self-minded and closed-minded designers in charge at Apple will be replaced. Things go in cycles, and hopefully feedback to Apple from me and others will just accelerate that.
I did. I also like the UI of iOS 7 to now. Again, if sales fell, stocks feel, Apple would do something. Until then, why would they change if things are selling and stocks are high?
 
I did. I also like the UI of iOS 7 to now. Again, if sales fell, stocks feel, Apple would do something. Until then, why would they change if things are selling and stocks are high?

If you’re correct, let’s see how good a path they stay on as they continue to focus innovation to be singularly-centered on removing user convenience features.
 
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As opposed to, “thin and light” I would much rather have a thicker and suitably durable smart phone delivering excellent battery life and easily surviving occasional drops.

The iPhone 8 is significantly less durable than the iPhone 6. It's just thicker, heavier and bulkier. Battery is exactly the same, too. The improvements in battery life are down to the more efficient chip. It's funny that the bulky iPhone 8 is considered "small" by today's standards. Most of these monster phablets are pushing 200 grams or more and are nearing 7 inch screens. It's ridiculous.

In general, lighter phones are less likely to be damaged by drops than heavier phones. The heavier the phone, the greater the force when it smashes into the ground. People on this forum are just contrarians who want heavy for the sake of being heavy. There is no intrinsic value at all in a mobile device being thick and heavy.
 
If you’re correct, let’s see how good a path they stay on as they continue to focus innovation to be centered on removing user convenience features.
They removed the floppy and optical drive so far. I personally don’t like what they did the with the MacBook Pro, and why I gave Linux/System 76 a shot.
 
If you are actually serious: How thin is your ideal phone? How thick is too thick? Serious question.

Why would I not be serious? A mobile device should be as thin and light as technology will allow. The industry was moving in that direction until the phablet monster phones started to take over. Now they are getting heavier with each generation. We're going to be using those giant briefcase phones from the 1980s if this keeps up.

People who like to carry around thick and heavy phones can buy weighted cases for all I care. Snap on a 80 gram case and "voila"... you got your thick and heavy phone.

Honestly, the iPhone 6 is pretty much ideal in my opinion. Below 130 grams. Below 7 mm. Wish it was actually a bit smaller by cutting down on the top and bottom bezels and even going to a 4.5" screen. That would pretty much be my ideal phone - an iPhone 6 body in the style of the iPhone X (no top and bottom bezels). Could even get to 100 grams that way. The successor to the A11 could get outstanding battery life out of the smaller battery required for such a design.
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what redesign?

iPhone 6s, 7, 8, and X.

Yes, the 7 lost a few grams by removing the headphone jack, but the weight keeps ballooning up with each generation.
 
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I don’t have a hatred for it, I just don’t care. If people are this upset about it, there are other phone makers they have it. I just don’t want government saying all cell phone makers must have the headphone jack.




And lightning port that sounds better than 100 year old technology junk.

I never said anything about the government forcing the headphone jack. I really don't want to leave apple because I like and have a lot of stuff that plays fairly well together, but they keep slowly taking away features I like so at some point I may just leave apple all together. Also, the lightning port doesn't sound anything, it's just relaying the digital signal. The sound quality will depend on the DAC used in the headphones/adapter. Just because a design is old doesn't mean it's ****. The fact that it has stood the test of time is a sign it's a good design.
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Get Airpods. I even paired it with my PC and been using it on Windows 10 with no issues. Apparently it even works well on Android phones
Apple's AirPods may be the best Bluetooth earbuds for Android <--- on www.androidcentral.com

You know marketing works when people tell you the solution to a manufactured problem is spend more $$$... Think a little. The airpods may be nice, but they don't stay in my ears and I don't want yet another battery operated device to manage and throw away when the battery inevitably goes bad when my wired headphones that have worked for over a decade still work and I am happy with that solution. For those that like wireless great, you can do that regardless of the presence of a headphone jack. Stop advocating for taking away choices...
 
Steve should have known one day, some one would betray him
I never said anything about the government forcing the headphone jack. I really don't want to leave apple because I like and have a lot of stuff that plays fairly well together, but they keep slowly taking away features I like so at some point I may just leave apple all together. Also, the lightning port doesn't sound anything, it's just relaying the digital signal. The sound quality will depend on the DAC used in the headphones/adapter. Just because a design is old doesn't mean it's ****. The fact that it has stood the test of time is a sign it's a good design.
The wall outlet also stood the test of time, but they are trying to make wireless charging a thing. Who knows, we may not see wall outlets in homes in 30-50 years. The steering wheel hasn’t change either, and they are testing cars that eventually won’t need one.

I’m also slowing making sure I can leave Apple’s eco system when I want. I like Apple, but I don’t agree with everything they do.
 
The wall outlet also stood the test of time, but they are trying to make wireless charging a thing. Who knows, we may not see wall outlets in homes in 30-50 years. The steering wheel hasn’t change either, and they are testing cars that eventually won’t need one.

I’m also slowing making sure I can leave Apple’s eco system when I want. I like Apple, but I don’t agree with everything they do.

True power delivery (ie outlets) will never go away, or at least not until there is some massive breakthrough in physics. Wireless charging pads work, but even they are woefully inefficient compared to their wired counterparts. Full room wireless charging is a pipe dream. The steering wheel is kind of different though, if the cars do become fully autonomous one day, it is simply an unnecessary tool. If the whole industry was moving to a different connector (USB C or whatever so long as it's the same everywhere) I wouldn't mind as much, but they aren't and all this is doing is dividing the market further so Apple can sell more headphones that will now work on fewer things.
 
I haven’t missed the headphone jack since moving from the iPhone 6s to the iPhone X but I’m somebody who uses the earbuds that ship with the phone. The dongle allowed me to use my old earbuds as a backup. I charge my phone overnight so being unable to charge and listen to music hasn’t been a problem. I get why the move ticks so many people off. Apple is moving from an industry standard to a proprietary one if you want better than Bluetooth quality sound.

One thing that did tick me off was the lack of a case for the lightning earbuds that ship with the X. If you’re spending that much for a phone Apple should have included a case that probably would’ve cost them a buck or two per phone.
 
True power delivery (ie outlets) will never go away, or at least not until there is some massive breakthrough in physics. Wireless charging pads work, but even they are woefully inefficient compared to their wired counterparts. Full room wireless charging is a pipe dream. The steering wheel is kind of different though, if the cars do become fully autonomous one day, it is simply an unnecessary tool. If the whole industry was moving to a different connector (USB C or whatever so long as it's the same everywhere) I wouldn't mind as much, but they aren't and all this is doing is dividing the market further so Apple can sell more headphones that will now work on fewer things.
You’re right, outlets will never go away, but the looks will change, and they have. There are also different versions all over the world.

I also don’t buy “so Apple can sell more headphones” because you can buy other headphones from other makers with Lighting. Yes, there is a license, but other makers. You can also buy any Bluetooth head phones out there to work with the iPhone. If Apple make it so you can only use their head phones, their Bluetooth head phones (where others will not work), then I see an issue.

USB C is good, but imagine if Apple switched to that. More people complaining...

Over 20 years ago when I worked for a company laying fiber optics in the ground, we all talked how it would be cool to have fiber to the house. People didn’t think it would happen. 2018, it’s happening.
 
:apple: I’m so excited for iPhone SE 2
Really hope the rumour of releasing one next month is true. Eeeeeeeeeee!
 
You know marketing works when people tell you the solution to a manufactured problem is spend more $$$... Think a little. The airpods may be nice, but they don't stay in my ears and I don't want yet another battery operated device to manage and throw away when the battery inevitably goes bad when my wired headphones that have worked for over a decade still work and I am happy with that solution. For those that like wireless great, you can do that regardless of the presence of a headphone jack. Stop advocating for taking away choices...

CDs were a choice when MP3 players came out, didn't stop the demise of CDs. Choices die, new choices arise, such is the way of technology.
 
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Lightning is an expensive proprietary, single-company port. It doesn't rotate so twists cables reducing lifespan.

3.5mm is a cheap, universal standard connector used in products the world over. It rotates 360 degrees relieving cable stress.

While a connector can be rotated in a 3.5mm jack, any jack loose enough to provide stress release is not a jack I'd want to listen to audio through. A good connection is tight enough to prevent free rotation, and provide a solid audio connection.

I have never owned an iPhone with a headphone jack which allowed free rotation of the 3.5mm plug, nor ever provided cable strain relief, much less prevented twisting.

So this argument is specious at best.
 
While a connector can be rotated in a 3.5mm jack, any jack loose enough to provide stress release is not a jack I'd want to listen to audio through. A good connection is tight enough to prevent free rotation, and provide a solid audio connection.

I have never owned an iPhone with a headphone jack which allowed free rotation of the 3.5mm plug, nor ever provided cable strain relief, much less prevented twisting.

So this argument is specious at best.
The stress of the jack is one of the reasons I switched to Bluetooth years ago. I use to plug it into the AUX jack in my car radio, and the jack of the radio gave out. This was an aftermarket radio and was able to find a replacement faceplate online.

Bluetooth stoped this issue. Now I switched to Apple Car play and the plug on the radio are so much better. Srill miss wireless though.
 
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