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New iPhone SE Could Launch in May With Touch ID and A10 Fusion, Without 3.5mm Headphone Jack
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I’d love the new SE to have the A11. But since the new iPad had the A10 something tells me that the SE2 will have the A10 too.
To be blunt - if apple feels that the A10 (not A10X) can drive a 9.7 inch screen they most likely feel it can drive a 4 inch screen.
Regarding the A9 appearing in the SE. I think that the A8 wasn’t powerful enough to drive the metal2 games that apple was touting at the time.
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Let’s assume that the headphone jack is going and that we most likely won’t get 3D Touch either. That likely leaves room for a pretty big battery which will help offset the power efficiency gain that the A11 would’ve provided. And of course, it’ll only be driving a 4 inch screen.
In 2018 the A10 is still a powerful chip for a 4 inch screen phone. And importantly it’ll mean a cheaper phone too. The SE is still a pricey device for the middle classes in certain markets.
Dude, you didn't read the post correctly. Please go back and check it again.
FaceID fails in Asia because people here wear flu masks ALL the time. I live in Taiwan and in any group of ten or more,at least 3 or 4 are wearing a flu mask--we do not have this custom in the US, but here high school friends out for a night of movies and McDonald's are wearing those flu masks--those effin masks are almost an obsession here and in HK and China and yes Japan too.
So unless FaceID only scans retinas--the original poster is dead on correct.
Setting aside the A10 or A11 question, (I think A10):
What do you all reckon about the inclusion of the following features from the 7/8?:
iPhone 7 screen
Surely a given. I doubt we’ll see the 8’s screen due to the component cost and the use of the A10.
iPhone 7 cameras
Again, surely a given. As selfies are more popular than in 2016 even, I think we’ll see the front facing camera from the 7 too (the SE shipped with the 5s’s front facing camera). Again, we’ll see the 7’s cameras due to the component cost and the use of the A10.
Waterproofing
It probably will necessitate a partial redesign of the case. Would apple do this?
Likely, as the demand for the SE is proven (so this helps to justify the time and effort) and even more likely if they are also throwing in the removal of the headphone jack and wireless charging.
No headphone jack
I think that this is a given now. Again no jack due to exactly the same reasons given for its removal in 2016 from the 7.
Stereo speakers
I’d say that having both the top and bottom speakers from the 7 are likely too. Good sound is a key feature in 2018 and launching a new phone with the 5s’ speaker system wouldn’t go down well
Wireless charging & glass back
Again, I could see this happening as part of the reason to justify a partial redesign of the case.
EDIT: ...only if they can fit the tech into the iPhone 5 form factor!
And I wouldn’t be surprised if the new SE was launched along with Apple’s wireless charging solution which so far has been MIA & it’s going to be too embarrassing to have a WWDC without this having launched.
3D Touch, Taptic Engine, 7/8 home button
I’m not a big fan of 3D Touch, but if we are going to essentially get a shrunken down hybrid of the 7 and 8 it would likely be too much trouble NOT to include 3D Touch. Especially given that the haptic engine, non physical touch button and the 3D screen seem to be all connected. So I vote yes for this.
EDIT: I checked out how big the Taptic Engine is. It’s big! So on reflection, I think we’ll not be having this (or 3D Touch) and we’ll be getting the home button of the iPad 2018.
I guess this means way more space for the battery which for most people would be a higher priority. And hopefully it means for a cheaper phone as they’ll be less components (and less expensive ones) plus it’ll likely be easier to assemble and repair.
In summary:
I think that we are very likely to get a shrunken down hybrid of 7/8 regarding hardware features.
I contend that the selective removal of some of the key features from the hardware engineering achieved with the 7/8 would likely be more design/ engineering work than it’s worth than to simply work how to house them in an SE sized form factor.
EDIT: With the caveat above regarding no Taptic Engine!
What do you all reckon about the inclusion of the following features from the 7/8?:
iPhone 7 screen
Surely a given. I doubt we’ll see the 8’s screen due to the component cost and the use of the A10.
iPhone 7 cameras
Again, surely a given. As selfies are more popular than in 2016 even, I think we’ll see the front facing camera from the 7 too (the SE shipped with the 5s’s front facing camera). Again, we’ll see the 7’s cameras due to the component cost and the use of the A10.
Waterproofing
It probably will necessitate a partial redesign of the case. Would apple do this?
Likely, as the demand for the SE is proven (so this helps to justify the time and effort) and even more likely if they are also throwing in the removal of the headphone jack and wireless charging.
No headphone jack
I think that this is a given now. Again no jack due to exactly the same reasons given for its removal in 2016 from the 7.
Stereo speakers
I’d say that having both the top and bottom speakers from the 7 are likely too. Good sound is a key feature in 2018 and launching a new phone with the 5s’ speaker system wouldn’t go down well
Wireless charging & glass back
Again, I could see this happening as part of the reason to justify a partial redesign of the case.
EDIT: ...only if they can fit the tech into the iPhone 5 form factor!
And I wouldn’t be surprised if the new SE was launched along with Apple’s wireless charging solution which so far has been MIA & it’s going to be too embarrassing to have a WWDC without this having launched.
3D Touch, Taptic Engine, 7/8 home button
I’m not a big fan of 3D Touch, but if we are going to essentially get a shrunken down hybrid of the 7 and 8 it would likely be too much trouble NOT to include 3D Touch. Especially given that the haptic engine, non physical touch button and the 3D screen seem to be all connected. So I vote yes for this.
EDIT: I checked out how big the Taptic Engine is. It’s big! So on reflection, I think we’ll not be having this (or 3D Touch) and we’ll be getting the home button of the iPad 2018.
I guess this means way more space for the battery which for most people would be a higher priority. And hopefully it means for a cheaper phone as they’ll be less components (and less expensive ones) plus it’ll likely be easier to assemble and repair.
In summary:
I think that we are very likely to get a shrunken down hybrid of 7/8 regarding hardware features.
I contend that the selective removal of some of the key features from the hardware engineering achieved with the 7/8 would likely be more design/ engineering work than it’s worth than to simply work how to house them in an SE sized form factor.
EDIT: With the caveat above regarding no Taptic Engine!
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The iPhone SE is the most satisfying product. Solid, with a real battery, it is a good product, especially for the public for whom it is intended. Its current form satisfies the clientele. Of course the users will not spit on a little more power, but what interests them is to have an iPhone that holds in the hand, with good autonomy and a still reasonable price. Put an A10, ok, support a little more frequency and have the BT 5, well ... but do not touch the jack.
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More and more reports back this one by suggesting that the new SE will not be full screen.
Disappointing and it means that lots of potential new buyers like me won't be making the purchase and that it will be restricted to the existing target market SE customers only.
Disappointing and it means that lots of potential new buyers like me won't be making the purchase and that it will be restricted to the existing target market SE customers only.
Besides sound quality, the other thing forgotten by Apple and other ardent Bluetooth/AirPod fans who try to tell others why they should go wireless is the immediacy of the connection. One insert & click, and you're all set. None of the lags associated with wireless devices such as when moving between ipads/ipods/systems and between bluetooth speakers themselves, or even the added "burden" of maintaining charge and keeping track of/lugging along your charge wire/case.
The added lags associated with non-wired ANYTHING, including Bluetooth/AirPods, home automation items controlled by iOS apps, including when muddling thru Apple's iOS after 2013 with its reduction in intuitiveness and its burying of functions behind menus and additional swipes and clicks, is something completely overlooked, ignored, and/or unacknowledged by Apple and certain users who are fine with taking 5-10 seconds to do what can be done in 1/2 second. Each micro-pause or additional step adds up too often into frustration for me at least. Hell, that's why I use a corded mouse at work when lugging my laptop to meetings. no charging worries, and a much more immediacy of response from the mouse that's very noticeable. I find it impossible to use a wireless mouse for precision work with Photoshop, for example.
Apple's blind devotion to "a new way of doing things" with seemingly zero respect or regards to the tradeoffs (if they keep pushing certain robust user-interaction hardware into software and/or wireless) is sure to become a liability eventually as more and more and more is removed and changed for the sake of change.
Similar for face-ID if touch-ID is removed...I can't say how many times a day I unlock my phone when lying on the desk facing up or hooked into my car holder facing a certain direction. As I stated, Apple's cluelessness to the pain of having to take more time & steps to do what used to be performed quickly & efficiently is downright bad design and/or too reminiscent of change for the sake of change (a la iOS 7).
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Although not ideal, you can wireless charge and listen to your wired headphones simultaneously. That's what I do with my 8+
But then does that require purchasing more wireless charging stations for different locations, or moving it around? I'm not familiar with what it takes to wirelessly charge an iPhone.
Pretty much yea. You can pick up decent wireless charges for $10 but will need an iPad charger on them for them to charge at a decent rate
I read it just fine. I've been to Asia multiple times and know all about the flu masks.
It's like saying TouchID won't work for anyone in Canada, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Northern US, Russia, or any place it's cold because people wear gloves.
CLEARLY, this is something that's worked around because the iPhone X is the best selling iPhone since it was released. You and the previous person are overstating the impact of flu masks and the downsides to FaceID as if there weren't any to TouchID.
I'm simply telling you the flu masks, twin issues, and family lookalikes are not dealbreakers for FaceID. TouchID had its own problems and was limited in what in could do. The tech behind FaceID will have other (more useful) features in the future and is why the change was made. It's not all about authenticating your phone and the limited things FaceID can do today.
Why would you want to get rid of 8 for this?
This just screams of the kind of vapid naivety that many Apple consumers have when they see a "new" product coming out but don't realize this is intended as their value phone that actually has worse spec's then the 8. I am also sure a lot of people got rid of the iPhone 8 for a Red iPhone 8 just because it was a "new" product Apple released, and they probably didn't even like the color Red.
Just because its a new iPhone doesn't mean it is a "new" iPhone.
Just because people bought the phone without a headphone jack doesn't meant that wanted it gone. There are bad things about better products, the good just outweighs the bad.
Good to know. I know iPhones before the 7 slowly got better and better water resistance without actually getting certified. The iPhone 6S was practically water resistant if you plug the headphone jack (which I did because I rarely used the headphone jack). Still, without the rating I don't end up with the confidence to not worry about it.
BTW I had an original iPhone (2007) that spent a few hours half-submerged in tap water and worked fine after shutting it off and letting it dry out for a day. But I've also seen people kill their iPhones in pools and in the ocean (those were iPhone 3 and 3GS if I remember correctly).
Perhaps sadly more accurately, the offerings are heading towards take it or leave it if you wish to stay with iPhones.
How amazingly aggravating it's getting where more and more and more function is added to iOS yet the UI and user-input-hardware features keep getting more and more stripped out and simplified and removed, putting the burden and onus on the user to adjust to a new way of doing things that too frequently involves taking longer and tapping/swiping/holding/pressing more than before, just to accomplish a similar end result.
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Your response screams of the assumption-making too many do (including today's thin-driven light-driven change-driven Apple) regarding the features other users prefer and why other users buy certain phones. "Value" phone first and foremost? Please. For many prospective shoppers, price/value is just *part* of the considerations, which include size, features list (hoping it'll still use touch-ID and headphone jacks), and enough power to do all they typically do with a phone. A lower price to avoid spending an insane $800+ for a new ("new" as in, non-refurb or non-pre-owned, not "latest and greatest") phone is just icing on the cake and not the full cake.
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Not sure if you keep up with reality or not, but Android phones have been annihilating iphones for many years now.
Let’s just all choose to agree that diversity in phone sizes - and choice - are good things.
For example, my partner who is 5’6’’ has an iPhone 7 Plus and Apple Watch 42 and loves them - she loves the larger screens on both devices.
I’m 6ft and have an Apple Watch 38 - and am eagerly awaiting the release of the iPhone SE 2
I love devices that don’t get in the way and that I can pocket and wear without realising that I’m wearing/carrying them.
Each to their own
For example, my partner who is 5’6’’ has an iPhone 7 Plus and Apple Watch 42 and loves them - she loves the larger screens on both devices.
I’m 6ft and have an Apple Watch 38 - and am eagerly awaiting the release of the iPhone SE 2
I love devices that don’t get in the way and that I can pocket and wear without realising that I’m wearing/carrying them.
Each to their own
It is frustrating. Part of my reason for purchase is to let them know that a smaller device is desired even if the product they make isn't really satisfying, for fear that they don't make a smaller phone at all. It is indeed take it or leave it.
Check out any speed test. Benchmarks mean nothing without real world performance. And in real world performance, iPhone comes in last place. It can't even multitask, and still loses to cheaper handsets. Embarrassing to say the least. Apple needs to work on R&D.
A lot of good thoughts and scenarios in your post. I too am kind of fed up with the wireless age and only use it when necessary. Let me run down the pains in my daily life, lol.
I have the fantastic Marshall Stanmore speaker as the main audio source in my office. The tv uses this for audio as well via optical. If my wife turns it on, my phone connects to it, even if I'm in the middle of using my airpods and the Stanmore isnt even on the bluetooth source. After a month of this, I deleted the bluetooth profile and I use the aux cord when I want it.
I have a Sonos play 1 in my bedroom. It is such a pain to get that going with spotify. Sometimes its in the device list, other times its not. This device doesn't have an Aux cable, so I just don't really use it, even though it sounds great.
Like you mentioned, switching my AirPods between my iPad, mac book pro, windows computer, iPhone is a pain.
Our cars. Of course we both have our phones connected to the car and switching between the two is a royal pain, I wish you could just plug in AUX in those situations as well. Also, when in my car and I am using the regular FM radio, the phone is still connected so I cannot hear the turn by turn directions when using google maps. So I have to turn off bluetooth on my phone during that time, then my watch is disconnected.
I am not crying about these things, its just not mentioned when someone try to hammer home that Wireless is better in all situations and to just "get over" not having a headphone jack.
The Apple under Steve (who kept Jony in check) wasn't perfect but the products always felt like they were designed for the best overall customer experience.
Today's Apple under Jony & Tim is far from perfect and the products continually feel like outputs of a minimalism design contest, focusing on what Jony feels is best and which, of course, the customer should just adjust to. Getting pretty tired of the offerings veering farther and farther from I feel "just works" and is convenient/efficient to use, and farther from even being "fun" to use.