Oh ya... people... don't take me too seriously (one too many sake)... I'm just getting tired of the waiting game (like so many other people in the apple community). Every other industry comes out with things like clockwork (automotive, every other electronics manufacturer, etc.) I think we're all a little tired of the "cold war" mentality apple has. I love them to death, but right now its like the aunt you have with the wiskers on the mole above her lip that love to give you a kiss when she sees you. Shes family so you love her... but and the same time... well... you get the picture.
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By clockwork... do you mean that every other electronics company releases more products than Apple, or that they always do their releases at the same time of year so you can predict them?alien said:
(PS... The forum name "alien" wasn't taken? Wow!
)Chundles said:
I knew this was coming, but I wanted to focus on that segment for a reason. The amount of people who are in your segment are sadly, irrelevant. The question for an online tv show/movie store is will people throw down for the downloads in quantities high enough to justify it. The number of people that don't is irrelevant. I feel for ya, but companies shouldn't sell products based on markets that won't buy them. Anyway, for the rest of the population I'm sure this iPod will play music just as well and display photos even better than the iPod Color models anyway.
Edit 2: in fact that's how I should have modelled my first argument, is based on the market that exists not the market that doesn't exist. (And especially in making a product that your existing market can purchase for around the same price)
ncoffey said:
If I were American I would have said "trash."
And my segment of the market in this country is the overwhelming majority due to sheer geography and the unwillingness of our main telco to enable ADSL on most phonelines. So before you go shooting your mouth off again, take some time to think about what you are about to say. I don't care if it's a joke or not.
I'm just going to go out on a limb and say that we will get video-capable iPod, dual core PowerMac (worth the rev since Intel PMac will be one of the last), and new PowerBook (7448 is a drop-in replacement).
The best of all possible worlds, for everybody all the time!!!!
The best of all possible worlds, for everybody all the time!!!!
diamond3 said:
I got the powerbook from an apple store in nj.. tomorrow is the last day I think I can return it, but i dont want to do that cause I would lose the restocking fee and the free printer and free ipod promotion if they dont come out with a new one next week.. At the store when I purchased it, they told me not to worry about any updates, so maybe if there is one I can complain and then be able to return it even a few days after the 14 day limit is up. Thanks for you help.
nagromme said:By clockwork... do you mean that every other electronics company releases more products than Apple, or that they always do their releases at the same time of year so you can predict them?
(PS... The forum name "alien" wasn't taken? Wow!
To be honest... i wrote a long winded response to what you said, but I've been blowing a lot of hot air today so I'll shut up.
As for the forum name "alien", I might be a noob to the posting game, but I've been a reader and a member for years.
A question for everyone about a dual dual core system... what programs do you know of that could take advantage of essentially 4 processors? and if a program can only handle 2 processors, would a dual dual core system use one processor with two cores or two processors with one core and which would be better?
1984, I think you've also hit the nail on the head. And it seems you're approaching this (the possibility of new products at the event) in a logical manner.
So to dismiss the curtains as meaning nothing is illogical. As others have discussed, "curtains" signal what? A movie? A stage? A performance?
Good. Now, the only thing I'm concerned about is the BBC thing. Is that fact?
I think everything will just show up on Apple's main page at the same time: the product/service that will be unveiled at the event at the center and the other updates along the bottom. Anything prior to the evnt will be cryptic.
I don't think an update to any Macintosh computers would be worthy of a special event such as this. Has Apple ever done that? Typically they're updated at an expo or developer's conference, right? To me, it appears that it's going to be something aimed at the general public. Either a device (video iPod, or tablet disguised as an iPod) or a service (video store or other radical change to iTMS, such as a subscription-based service).
It should be interesting, whatever it is.
Squire
1984 said:
So to dismiss the curtains as meaning nothing is illogical. As others have discussed, "curtains" signal what? A movie? A stage? A performance?
Good. Now, the only thing I'm concerned about is the BBC thing. Is that fact?
I think everything will just show up on Apple's main page at the same time: the product/service that will be unveiled at the event at the center and the other updates along the bottom. Anything prior to the evnt will be cryptic.
I don't think an update to any Macintosh computers would be worthy of a special event such as this. Has Apple ever done that? Typically they're updated at an expo or developer's conference, right? To me, it appears that it's going to be something aimed at the general public. Either a device (video iPod, or tablet disguised as an iPod) or a service (video store or other radical change to iTMS, such as a subscription-based service).
It should be interesting, whatever it is.
Squire
AH HA!!!
this may be reading to much into it... but i now believe powerbooks ARE coming...
here's what convinced me:
Last week and earlier this week i went to the store and configured the SD powerbook and it said 2-3 weeks...
tonight it says 1-2 weeks...
i don't think this coincidence. I really want a powerbook, so maybe my judgement is clouded, but with this and the think secret prediction and given the overdue update, i think it's looking pretty promising.
only 5 more days.
now understand, i'm not saying there isn't going to be iPods... but i do think there will be updates announced. finally.
this may be reading to much into it... but i now believe powerbooks ARE coming...
here's what convinced me:
Last week and earlier this week i went to the store and configured the SD powerbook and it said 2-3 weeks...
tonight it says 1-2 weeks...
i don't think this coincidence. I really want a powerbook, so maybe my judgement is clouded, but with this and the think secret prediction and given the overdue update, i think it's looking pretty promising.
only 5 more days.
now understand, i'm not saying there isn't going to be iPods... but i do think there will be updates announced. finally.
Someone feel free to correct me but I think you got the 7448 mixed up with the dual core g4. 7448s are already being produced in quantity AFAIKncoffey said:Because somewhere in some article I read in the past week that Freescale won't be able to produce these in quantity till sometime next year. (Don't quote me on that. If it isn't in any of MacRumors, ThinkSecret, AppleInsider, MacOSXRumors or these forums then I probably dreamt it. I certainly won't be searching through all these for that info againt though. )
The more I think about it, the more I like it. This is a great opportunity for Steve Jobs to market the Mac and the iPod going into the 4th quarter.
First, he does a Mac presentation. Talks about progress with Intel transition, and tells everyone Leopard is going great, you'll love it, yada yada...
Then he announces PowerMac dual core (again, worth doing since PowerMac will be the last to go Intel), and also a PowerBook speedbump to 7448. I think it actually is a nice little update for the PowerBook, with a couple of other spec upgrades as well.
Then, he says "One more thing...", and debuts the iPod AV (video-enabled iPod), along with a library of content.
Both product lines are worthy of some extra attention going into holiday quarter, so let's do both.
First, he does a Mac presentation. Talks about progress with Intel transition, and tells everyone Leopard is going great, you'll love it, yada yada...
Then he announces PowerMac dual core (again, worth doing since PowerMac will be the last to go Intel), and also a PowerBook speedbump to 7448. I think it actually is a nice little update for the PowerBook, with a couple of other spec upgrades as well.
Then, he says "One more thing...", and debuts the iPod AV (video-enabled iPod), along with a library of content.
Both product lines are worthy of some extra attention going into holiday quarter, so let's do both.
I have to say I think people are reading too much into these curtains. The iPod Nano was quite close to the jean pocket invitation, but that doesn't mean these curtains are the same. Realistically, curtains are much to "general" to deduce any exact prediction. Curtains many times have been used to release big new surprises, not just movies.
I find it interesting that some sources are jumping the gun and claiming "Video iPod next week!!!", I really don't think it's a guarantee by any means. It seems like one source did it and now all the dominos are tipping over.
My thinking is that if they were going to release an iPod with video playback they would have done it along side iTunes 5 at the specified "Music Event". It seems odd to me that they would split their two big music announcements into two different shows just a few weeks apart.
Also, as some people have mentioned here the Power Mac and Power Book lines are really starting to look droopy. The Power Mac hasn't seen significant changes to its motherboard and RAM since it was introduced. Hell, my dual 2ghz PM is still right there with the current models, which is quite a sad statement. A new Power Mac with dual (maybe even dual dual) core processors, pci-expess graphics, DDR2, and maybe even a case change, would definitely deserve an event. In all honesty, I think a lot of people would buy that computer right now. Plus, think about it, with Intel taking front stage next year, Apple won't want to be focusing on the PPC Power Mac, which probably won't see an update until 2007. Now is the time to publicize the Power Mac and get the sales up. That way they can run with it until we see an intel version in a year or more.
Also, I think there is more relevance to the year of HD than people realize. With the year winding down no real announcements have focused on HD. The Powerbook screen is unchanged and in all honesty not looking too great. New higher resolution displays in conjunction with some nifty new features will give the powerbook oomph to get it to the Intel version that is under development.
Well, that's my thinking on this whole issue. Curious to know if you guys agree.
I find it interesting that some sources are jumping the gun and claiming "Video iPod next week!!!", I really don't think it's a guarantee by any means. It seems like one source did it and now all the dominos are tipping over.
My thinking is that if they were going to release an iPod with video playback they would have done it along side iTunes 5 at the specified "Music Event". It seems odd to me that they would split their two big music announcements into two different shows just a few weeks apart.
Also, as some people have mentioned here the Power Mac and Power Book lines are really starting to look droopy. The Power Mac hasn't seen significant changes to its motherboard and RAM since it was introduced. Hell, my dual 2ghz PM is still right there with the current models, which is quite a sad statement. A new Power Mac with dual (maybe even dual dual) core processors, pci-expess graphics, DDR2, and maybe even a case change, would definitely deserve an event. In all honesty, I think a lot of people would buy that computer right now. Plus, think about it, with Intel taking front stage next year, Apple won't want to be focusing on the PPC Power Mac, which probably won't see an update until 2007. Now is the time to publicize the Power Mac and get the sales up. That way they can run with it until we see an intel version in a year or more.
Also, I think there is more relevance to the year of HD than people realize. With the year winding down no real announcements have focused on HD. The Powerbook screen is unchanged and in all honesty not looking too great. New higher resolution displays in conjunction with some nifty new features will give the powerbook oomph to get it to the Intel version that is under development.
Well, that's my thinking on this whole issue.
Curious to know if you guys agree.
I just so damn psyched to hear what is going on. It could be any number of things.
1) Video iPod. I highly doubt this. Nobody is going to enjoy movies on an iPod like device. Don't get me wrong the PSP is a nice little device that can play movies but that is not an important feature. Plus you have to think of the physical limitations such as battery life and processing power.
2) Game Device. I remember that not too long ago Apple was recruiting some people to design and build games for iPod or iPod like device. Maybe Apple is about to release a portable game machine or maybe Sony and Apple have struck a deal for Apple-branded PSP's that have certain Apple like features. iTunes and Quicktime could run on a PSP.
3) New PowerMacs and PowerBooks. But why would Apple have so much media coverage for updates.
4) Home Entertainment Device. Don't know, could happen but I just don't know.
5) Steve Jobs is going to run for Governor of California. My only problem with this is that I don't live in California and can't vote for him.
1) Video iPod. I highly doubt this. Nobody is going to enjoy movies on an iPod like device. Don't get me wrong the PSP is a nice little device that can play movies but that is not an important feature. Plus you have to think of the physical limitations such as battery life and processing power.
2) Game Device. I remember that not too long ago Apple was recruiting some people to design and build games for iPod or iPod like device. Maybe Apple is about to release a portable game machine or maybe Sony and Apple have struck a deal for Apple-branded PSP's that have certain Apple like features. iTunes and Quicktime could run on a PSP.
3) New PowerMacs and PowerBooks. But why would Apple have so much media coverage for updates.
4) Home Entertainment Device. Don't know, could happen but I just don't know.
5) Steve Jobs is going to run for Governor of California. My only problem with this is that I don't live in California and can't vote for him.
As neat as a vPod would be as a gadget, I really feel like video/movies are a totally different beast than audio:
1. People don't have the same 'rip-off' mentality towards movies as they do for CDs (for the most part). Many prefer the 'a la carte' option that iTMS offers, but do you want a single scene from a movie? It is nice to only purchase that one track you enjoy from an artist, rather than buy an entire CD to get that content. Most people buy the entire DVD and feel like they're getting their money's worth versus CD content (extras, etc).
2. What would a major benefit to an iTVS be? OK, you don't have to leave your home to get the content, and it's instant. But I can already rent an unlimited number of movies with Netflix, and aguably cheaper (flat rate)...plus, I'm being just as lazy as with an Apple based service (it's just a few days behind my requests, but I always have movies on-hand). Also, the downloaded video would not be of the same quality as a raw DVD (admittedly I'm not an expert of H.264).
3. Compression with music is (arguably) less noticeable to the senses than compressed video would be. This is my opinion, but for 'the masses', 128AAC suits...while I'm not so sure you'd like to purchase a video that is lossy. Why is HD looking like the next big thing? People want superb video quality, bar none...HD-CDs and SACDs have pretty much died as a commercial audio product.
4. As stated before, music is a passive experience, while you can't exactly view a vPod while driving or doing most physical activities.
5. It's just as easy to carry a case of 48 DVDs to a friend's house as it would be carrying a vPod. Not to mention the time needed to encode those DVDs. If you want your home videos, that's what iMovie/iDVD are for.
6. Could you burn your rented/purchased videos from the iTVS to a DVD and strip any DRM? Hmm....
7. TV shows/podcasts would be nice, but music videos suck and get boring very quickly.
I'm not saying the vPod wouldn't be a great gadget or nobody would buy it, but I think that too much emphasis has been placed on it being the 'holy grail' of Apple hardware.
I predict an upgraded PM with pre-N and dual processors, PB with HD screens and pre-N wifi, along with an Airport AV (pre-N, replaces the Airport Extreme Base Station). And maybe...just maybe an iTablet/iPDA device to integrate as a controller for the Airport AV (or the iPod gains this functionality).
OK...I've blabbed enough.
1. People don't have the same 'rip-off' mentality towards movies as they do for CDs (for the most part). Many prefer the 'a la carte' option that iTMS offers, but do you want a single scene from a movie? It is nice to only purchase that one track you enjoy from an artist, rather than buy an entire CD to get that content. Most people buy the entire DVD and feel like they're getting their money's worth versus CD content (extras, etc).
2. What would a major benefit to an iTVS be? OK, you don't have to leave your home to get the content, and it's instant. But I can already rent an unlimited number of movies with Netflix, and aguably cheaper (flat rate)...plus, I'm being just as lazy as with an Apple based service (it's just a few days behind my requests, but I always have movies on-hand). Also, the downloaded video would not be of the same quality as a raw DVD (admittedly I'm not an expert of H.264).
3. Compression with music is (arguably) less noticeable to the senses than compressed video would be. This is my opinion, but for 'the masses', 128AAC suits...while I'm not so sure you'd like to purchase a video that is lossy. Why is HD looking like the next big thing? People want superb video quality, bar none...HD-CDs and SACDs have pretty much died as a commercial audio product.
4. As stated before, music is a passive experience, while you can't exactly view a vPod while driving or doing most physical activities.
5. It's just as easy to carry a case of 48 DVDs to a friend's house as it would be carrying a vPod. Not to mention the time needed to encode those DVDs. If you want your home videos, that's what iMovie/iDVD are for.
6. Could you burn your rented/purchased videos from the iTVS to a DVD and strip any DRM? Hmm....
7. TV shows/podcasts would be nice, but music videos suck and get boring very quickly.
I'm not saying the vPod wouldn't be a great gadget or nobody would buy it, but I think that too much emphasis has been placed on it being the 'holy grail' of Apple hardware.
I predict an upgraded PM with pre-N and dual processors, PB with HD screens and pre-N wifi, along with an Airport AV (pre-N, replaces the Airport Extreme Base Station). And maybe...just maybe an iTablet/iPDA device to integrate as a controller for the Airport AV (or the iPod gains this functionality).
OK...I've blabbed enough.
ajwitte said:8-CORE G5 POWERBOOKS (four processors) with roll-up 50-foot HD display, liquid nitrogen cooling system, and free semi-portable generator for power on the road. $699. Upgrade to X-Ray 77TB optical drive, $799.
Damn, I'll have to wait longer.
I've said to myself that I won't update until they use liquid helium in their cooling systems.
Oh I wish!
I read and never post, but I am posting hoping someone at Apple takes this and runs (or already thinking the same thing and working on it!)
I don't watch much TV but have to have cable to watch the things I do watch. That being said, I would pay .99 cents for an episode (even including commercials) for the 3-4 shows I watch a week. $16 beats $49 any month. I could watch them during my lunch break, while I'm in line at the bank, having a cup of coffee, anywhere. Leaving me more time to things when I am at home. More efficient use of time. Also, along the same lines, downloading a movie using itunes: oldies for 99 cents, new releases for $1.99, in the same quality that filesharers use, meaning if you want a high quality version for your TV for a large screen (meaning more viewers) you'd still have to buy the DVD. This would give people who fileshare a good alternative to be honest.
and
2. I'd love an ipod to be able to send to my airport express. Video to express/TV would obviously be more awesome. I love living in these times.
Mark Z
I read and never post, but I am posting hoping someone at Apple takes this and runs (or already thinking the same thing and working on it!)
I don't watch much TV but have to have cable to watch the things I do watch. That being said, I would pay .99 cents for an episode (even including commercials) for the 3-4 shows I watch a week. $16 beats $49 any month. I could watch them during my lunch break, while I'm in line at the bank, having a cup of coffee, anywhere. Leaving me more time to things when I am at home. More efficient use of time. Also, along the same lines, downloading a movie using itunes: oldies for 99 cents, new releases for $1.99, in the same quality that filesharers use, meaning if you want a high quality version for your TV for a large screen (meaning more viewers) you'd still have to buy the DVD. This would give people who fileshare a good alternative to be honest.
and
2. I'd love an ipod to be able to send to my airport express. Video to express/TV would obviously be more awesome. I love living in these times.
Mark Z
abhishake said:
No - WSJ did say that Apple was preparing a video ipod for release this fall. I read it on Apple Insider or Think Secret.
madmaxmedia said:I am sure Apple knows all these things, which is why I still think they are coming out with a video iPod + content. But we'll all debate this ad infinitum until Wednesday. And if a video iPod isn't released, we'll debate it until it is, or continue debating forever...
Yes, let's all mass debate over Apple hardware
Sorry for those who try to mass debate over software
Has HD actually been that big of a deal this year?
Is HDTV even close to beginning wide adoption, with all the copy protection crap going on right now that might make obsolete all current HDTV's?
madmaxmedia said:
NO and NO. Only a dual G5 2.3ghz and up can even watch HD. Now try encoding in HD, forget about it. HD looks great but for all the trouble and cost I don't know. If apple came out with a dual core dual G5 then maybe.