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New iPods and Pro Machines?
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There is a miniscule fraction of potential iPod buyers who are bent out of shape because iPods will not playback tracks continously with no gaps between the songs. The songs have an artisitic "flow" which these folk think shouldn't be compromised.
And I'm all for folks expressing their opinion.
However, neither Apple nor much of anyone else gives a rat's ass. Because, somehow, remarkably, Apple has managed to sell 20 million iPods without this indispensible feature.
EricNau said:
There is a miniscule fraction of potential iPod buyers who are bent out of shape because iPods will not playback tracks continously with no gaps between the songs. The songs have an artisitic "flow" which these folk think shouldn't be compromised.
And I'm all for folks expressing their opinion.
However, neither Apple nor much of anyone else gives a rat's ass. Because, somehow, remarkably, Apple has managed to sell 20 million iPods without this indispensible feature.
elo said:
dance and hip hop are ****, i know this, steve knows this, we all know this hahaha.
anyway, i hope if it is video iPod, theres some software update for colour screen iPods, i dont believe for a secong the hardware isnt capable.
the only good point about a video iPod is what the bright people have been saying about using the A/V out to watch (not DivX's, this is apple) H.264 video on their teevees
I hope Apple makes a smooth transition with the 5G iPod and the next iTunes update.
Adding video into the mix is making things more complicated. I for one found iTunes is slow for playing videos. I tried making a playlist of my Red vs. Blue collection, but it wasn't very smooth when the video was playing in a separate window (compared to playing in QT). And photo support hasn't been all that cool in my opinion because you can't view images you dump directly with the camera adapter, and only the iPod with the proper dock can make images viewable on the TV (and I think it could use some HD resolution support).
People (myself included) have complained about how a screen that's even the size of an iPod would be too small for videos of any kind. Even a PSP's screen is too small for me to enjoy a movie. Yeah, it's great and gimmicky for the nerds out there, but for the regular consumer it's not really worth it. I'll assume the iPod's screen size will increase and the scroll wheel will be nano-sized, but I don't think even then video playback will be cool. As podfuture has rumored, if there's some sort of update to the AirPort Express to support video out and the iPod has WiFi support or the iPod has simple video out support, at least you'd have a new storage medium for videos. I think it'll be more important Apple somehow figures out how to stream or broadcast a video file from an iPod to a nearby TV. Even better, Apple would just make a HTM (home-theater Mac) and forget about mobile video all together.
My final concern is video files are huge especially in high quality. Assuming Apple uses H.264 or Pixlet (highly doubt it), we're still going to videos that are compressed, and I bet there will be that anti-compression crowd complaining Apple compressed their videos without a lossless encoder
There's also the uncertainty if we're getting just music videos and trailers or feature films. If they're doing feature films, I'd hope there's a way to be able to burn yourself a nice DVD with complete menus, extra features, etc. because I think the DVD's loaded with extras are worth their price. Movies will have to be less than $10 and hopefully a nice $4.99 for a starting price. I just wouldn't be able to justify a $20 download of a movie if it lacks extra features, DVD-burning, and is stuck on my iPod and Mac. It's like the useless UMD movies on the PSP.
When it comes down to it, yes the video iPod is the next evolution. But, I don't think the movie industry has to fight a battle with piracy just yet, nor do I think the hardware and software is in place for it to be as simple as an iPod and iTunes, nor do I think DVDs are unfashionable. There's probably a bigger demand for a home theater system equipped with the best hardware and DVDs than having a device that's able to play movies on the go. The iPod Video (or whatever it'll be called) will probably be phased out and turned into the normal iPod with video playing capability and drop the video dock because it will be remembered as a gimmicky feature like the photo abilities of the iPod photo.
As a shareholder, it just doesn't seem like selling movies and having an iPod being able to play movies is as simple and rewarding as selling music and having an iPod play music.
Adding video into the mix is making things more complicated. I for one found iTunes is slow for playing videos. I tried making a playlist of my Red vs. Blue collection, but it wasn't very smooth when the video was playing in a separate window (compared to playing in QT). And photo support hasn't been all that cool in my opinion because you can't view images you dump directly with the camera adapter, and only the iPod with the proper dock can make images viewable on the TV (and I think it could use some HD resolution support).
People (myself included) have complained about how a screen that's even the size of an iPod would be too small for videos of any kind. Even a PSP's screen is too small for me to enjoy a movie. Yeah, it's great and gimmicky for the nerds out there, but for the regular consumer it's not really worth it. I'll assume the iPod's screen size will increase and the scroll wheel will be nano-sized, but I don't think even then video playback will be cool. As podfuture has rumored, if there's some sort of update to the AirPort Express to support video out and the iPod has WiFi support or the iPod has simple video out support, at least you'd have a new storage medium for videos. I think it'll be more important Apple somehow figures out how to stream or broadcast a video file from an iPod to a nearby TV. Even better, Apple would just make a HTM (home-theater Mac) and forget about mobile video all together.
My final concern is video files are huge especially in high quality. Assuming Apple uses H.264 or Pixlet (highly doubt it), we're still going to videos that are compressed, and I bet there will be that anti-compression crowd complaining Apple compressed their videos without a lossless encoder
There's also the uncertainty if we're getting just music videos and trailers or feature films. If they're doing feature films, I'd hope there's a way to be able to burn yourself a nice DVD with complete menus, extra features, etc. because I think the DVD's loaded with extras are worth their price. Movies will have to be less than $10 and hopefully a nice $4.99 for a starting price. I just wouldn't be able to justify a $20 download of a movie if it lacks extra features, DVD-burning, and is stuck on my iPod and Mac. It's like the useless UMD movies on the PSP.When it comes down to it, yes the video iPod is the next evolution. But, I don't think the movie industry has to fight a battle with piracy just yet, nor do I think the hardware and software is in place for it to be as simple as an iPod and iTunes, nor do I think DVDs are unfashionable. There's probably a bigger demand for a home theater system equipped with the best hardware and DVDs than having a device that's able to play movies on the go. The iPod Video (or whatever it'll be called) will probably be phased out and turned into the normal iPod with video playing capability and drop the video dock because it will be remembered as a gimmicky feature like the photo abilities of the iPod photo.
As a shareholder, it just doesn't seem like selling movies and having an iPod being able to play movies is as simple and rewarding as selling music and having an iPod play music.
Squire said:
I purchased the American Idiot album from the iTunes music store the day it came out, and I was actually a bit confused on how the timing didn't match the cd in the stores... THIS is Apples solution towards gapless playback, don't expect that on an iPod. (governator and shoplifter were free pepsi songs i think)
Still got my 3g and keepin' it til it dies... music sounds as clear as the day I bought it.
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Lynxpro said:
The 68010 was marginally faster than the 68000, but cost noticeably more.
The 68020 could use an external MMU (memory management unit, used for virtual memory), but the 68030 had one built-in to the CPU, which made it cheaper.
zpapasmurf said:Hey, fun trivia!
More people are born between Oct. 4-6 than any other time of the year w/ Oct 5th having more births (on average) than any other day of the year.
I read that somewhere once.
Who knows why?
(BTW, I turn 18 on the 5th
Is it because January 5th is 9 months before? So, everyone goes out for New Years, meets someone, but are too drunk to get it up. Days later, after they've sobered up, after the second or third date, things get frisky ?
Pft! You Mac guys are so behind in technology.
My Amiga 2000 had a 68020 accelerator board and an XT bridgeboard, allowing me to run AmigaDOS and MS DOS simultaneously, with no emulation (Rosetta? Sheesh!). Most Macs have only 1 processor, and are thus inferior.
Plus, my Amiga could use a TV as a display, and you guys are still hoping that the iPod will play video and hookup to a TV...
And finally, I could play MOD music files gapless.
My Amiga 2000 had a 68020 accelerator board and an XT bridgeboard, allowing me to run AmigaDOS and MS DOS simultaneously, with no emulation (Rosetta? Sheesh!). Most Macs have only 1 processor, and are thus inferior.
Plus, my Amiga could use a TV as a display, and you guys are still hoping that the iPod will play video and hookup to a TV...
And finally, I could play MOD music files gapless.
Understand where they are coming from.mhouse said:
However, if they have the CD, all they have to do is import the tracks as joined.
Of course it makes it one big track, but that is what they want to hear from the beginning to end.
They can also import the songs as separate tracks.
This way they can either listen to a compilation from beginning to end, or each track separately. Sure it doubles the size of the music on their computer/iPod. The option is there for them if they want it.
Like you, I have no idea why folks keep harping on this issue.
Sushi
One more thing...
It HAS to be the iPod video.
Why?
1) Steve Jobs always uses the phrase "One more thing..." before releasing something radically new. A simple iPod hard drive capacity update wouldn't be too radical.
2) Instead of a jeans pocket or something they chose a theater curtain. What else would be most related to a theater curtain than a movie?
3) The iTMS has been selling music videos for a while now. They can't wait too long or people would just forget about it.
4) If they are ever going to release it, that would have to be now or before the Intel Inside Macs. If they release it at the same time of the Intels, it would just get lost in all the new processor hype; if it was after the Intels, it would be too old of an idea to release it.
It HAS to be the iPod video.
Why?
1) Steve Jobs always uses the phrase "One more thing..." before releasing something radically new. A simple iPod hard drive capacity update wouldn't be too radical.
2) Instead of a jeans pocket or something they chose a theater curtain. What else would be most related to a theater curtain than a movie?
3) The iTMS has been selling music videos for a while now. They can't wait too long or people would just forget about it.
4) If they are ever going to release it, that would have to be now or before the Intel Inside Macs. If they release it at the same time of the Intels, it would just get lost in all the new processor hype; if it was after the Intels, it would be too old of an idea to release it.
hehe...
I know what's coming. It's big but it's not an iPod. I only know this because my friend works at Apple. The ITMS is involved but so is a BIG partner.
I will give you all a hint:
"Connecting People"
Now go wild.....
p.s. The red curtain is not important, it's what's behind it.
I know what's coming. It's big but it's not an iPod. I only know this because my friend works at Apple. The ITMS is involved but so is a BIG partner.
I will give you all a hint:
"Connecting People"
Now go wild.....
p.s. The red curtain is not important, it's what's behind it.
Apple phone?Swissboy said:
Apple PDA with WiFi/BlueTooth?
A good iTunes phone?
That's all I can think of.
A bit of help and you will be loved forever.
Edit: I forgot that was Nokia's slogan... and if that's what you're hinting at, that would make for a sucky announcement.
I would be happy with a Verizon wireless iTunes phone, though.
Lynxpro said:
There was actually a bug in the OS that prevented using a 68010 initially and you had to run a program called DeciGel to fix it.
The 68020 required a 68851 external MMU chip so I'm not surprised it was skipped although I'm not sure the Atari took advantage of an MMU anyway. The Amiga's only really had it for running AUX, their very good at the time UNIX port.
