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Evangelion said:
true, but Amiga had dedicated chips for video, sound and other things. While the ST had MARGINALLY faster CPU, Amiga's had dedicated co-processors for several tasks. You could say that ST relied on brute force, whereas Amiga relied on elegance. But then again, even on the "brute force"-department, ST was only marginally faster than Amiga was (8MHz vs. 7.16MHz).


And the ST had dedicated chips too. It wasn't like an x86 POS back in the day. It had a separate graphics chip, a separate MMU, a sound chip, and also gained a Blitter with the STe line. You forget that the ST was created by many of the same engineers who created the Commodore64, while the Amiga was created by the same guy responsible for the Atari 400/800's custom chips. Strange twist of fate. Point is, both teams were very strong in the custom chip design department. I wish(ed) Atari would've simply slapped the AMY sound chip into the ST line standard, but once the Tramiels took over, the people who designed the chip were fired and apparently nobody from the Tramiel team could figure out how it worked. Throwing in the 7800's Maria chip would've also been interesting.


What both lines failed to do was making the 68881 math coprocessor standard fare. That would've helped out immensely. Same goes for the Mac, but then again, Apple would've raised the price of each machine by $300 with the inclusion of that.
 
BRLawyer said:
Exactly...the GS's sound capabilities are unmatched even today, with its wonderful Ensoniq chip and 16-channel built-in synthesizer...as you said, the GS was at a dead-end, paying a sort of last homage to the Apple II line...


Hmmm. Just how is the Ensoniq chip unmatched in this world of ours with the current batch of Soundblasters?

Or are you referring to standard shipped machines (from Apple)? Still, any PC with an Nvidia NForce mobo has the same sound capabilities as the Xbox.
 
nomore said:
Yeah, the Amiga's blitter was so much better than Atari's poor effort... plus the Amiga had a real OS with pre-emptive multitasking... which Windows didn't have until Windows 95 (over 10 years later).

The original STs did not have the Blitter. That was the MegaST, STe, the MegaSTe, the TT, and the Falcon had them. So are you still sticking to Atari's Blitter (co-designed by GE if I recall) being weak or are you referencing the lack of a Blitter in the original machines?
 
well....i just placed my order for a dual 2.3 G5 and a 20" display.

it's my first mac, so i'm not desperate for an upgrade like a lot of you guys. besides, i probably couldn't afford one of the newer models, i was told i can get a refund if the price on the 2.3 G5 drops....so that's cool.

i sold my dell, which i used to make music with logic 5.5.1, and i just couldn't wait anymore to make the switch. i'm pretty sure a dual 2.3 G5 with up to 8 gig of memory, and Logic 7.1, will allow me to do anything i need to do musically.

now.... i MAY get a mactel powerbook in a couple of years after they get all the bugs out.
 
toneloco2881 said:
Man, give it up already. So IBM comes out and says it has a "low-power" g5 running at a whopping 1.6ghz? Who the hell cares. Why should Apple design and manufacture, a complety new motherboard and surrounding chipset, around hardware that is marginal at best. To satiate the appetite of some delusional fans, who haven't noticed that Apple is perhaps telling the truth when they say the powerpc roadmap insofar as low power is murky?

Can i just offer a thought on this matter. I think that Apple has already invested a lot of time in developing a Powerbook G5. They have probably been trying to shoehorn one of those puppies into the powerbook ever since they released the PowerMac G5... Or even before! Then up until July when the Intel announcement was made they probably stopped. But since the announcement of the new low power G5 chip they could have resurrected that R&D team at apple and could be working on the holy grail of laptops... And considering I think that the Powermac & Powerbooks will be the last to migrate to Intel as they won't/can't do it until all the major software players (Adobe, Quark) are native to intel, it could be possible that they may consider releasing a PB G5. Stranger things have happened. And I might add this is pure speculation, but I have to think it must be the case if Apple are a development company. They must have so many things that they try out in R&D that we never see... sitting on the shelves... I would love to be a fly on a wall in that room eh!?

Macam
 
I want a G5 laptop because i am pretty sure that apps like logic will run substantially slower on intel for a long while.

Logic and final cut really take advantage of the whole risc v cisc difference and it would be a much more sensible thing to buy a G5 and wait until intel procs can make up for the difference.
 
vassillios said:
well....i just placed my order for a dual 2.3 G5 and a 20" display.

it's my first mac, so i'm not desperate for an upgrade like a lot of you guys. besides, i probably couldn't afford one of the newer models, i was told i can get a refund if the price on the 2.3 G5 drops....so that's cool.

i sold my dell, which i used to make music with logic 5.5.1, and i just couldn't wait anymore to make the switch. i'm pretty sure a dual 2.3 G5 with up to 8 gig of memory, and Logic 7.1, will allow me to do anything i need to do musically.

now.... i MAY get a mactel powerbook in a couple of years after they get all the bugs out.

I've heard of buying mid product cycle with no regrets but buying right before an update with no present rebates, I'd have to say that I think you made a big mistake. Prices across the line usually remain about the same. Next week or at least sometime soon, you could have got a lot more computer for roughly the same amount of money.
 
Surreal said:
Logic and final cut really take advantage of the whole risc v cisc difference and it would be a much more sensible thing to buy a G5 and wait until intel procs can make up for the difference.

Huh???? :confused: RISC vs. CISC hasn't mattered in years, as all x86 processors are essentially RISC inside. Furthermore, where's even one shred of evidence that these apps "take advantage" of it? AltiVec, maybe, but Intel has their own roughly equivalent functionality in SSE3. Not an issue.

Sorry, but I call BS. :rolleyes: :)
 
It's already the first week of October and it's a Tuesday and still there is nothing new. Just more iPods and word of upgraded Mac minis that don't even show up on their website. So what's all this talk of new PPC products in the pipeline.
 
I don't think we are going to ever see a PB G5 with PPC. Sorry, IBM took too long and now we are getting close to have Intel on it. So doesn't make any sense for Apple to redesign their PBs and few months later introduce Intel on Powerbooks.
Pretty much the PB G5 PPC is dead now.
 
I think a new Freescale CPU makes sense, but not a G5.

I don't remember the specs of the new Freescale, but it's supposed to be a drop-in replacement for the existing G4 in the PowerBooks.

Heck, that might even make possible upgrades of existing PowerBooks (by 3rd party shops.)

EDIT- Here's the info. It's the 7448 that is a drop-in replacement-
-Double the L2 cache
-90nm process with lower power consumption
-200MHZ FSB (compared to 167MHz in 7447)
-Up to 1.7 GHz

The 90nm 7448 provides 0.9, 1.0 and 1.1V operating voltages, yielding power dissipation of 10W at 1.4GHz, Freescale claims, with compares well with the 7447A's typical and maximum dissipation figures of 21W and 30W, respectively, at 1.4GHz.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/09/28/freescale_g4_7448/

Actually, remember those rumors about a measly .3GHz PowerBook update? That jives completely with the 7448. It's actually better than just a speed bump, since it's a new CPU design with some advantages.

If I could send my 1.25GHz PowerBook to a shop and have them put in a 7448, I would be very interested (depending on price.) Significantly faster and comparable or better battery life. Especially if Intel PowerBooks are a few months away.
 
rigoni said:
I need to buy a new mac today and I will use xpress and photoshop a lot.
It would be better to buy an imac (17inch, 2g) or a mini with a 20 cinema display? Considering the upgrade coming soon, I don't know what to do.
thanks

QuarkXPress? Do people still use that? I thought they went out of business earlier this year . . . ;-)
 
Shattering Fast said:
Everyone seems to be forgetting this... http://www.apple.com/movies

They're quite clearly planning something movie related.

Also if you look at ilounge.com it gives a visual of the invitation (possibly of their own construction). Whether iLounge made the drawing themselves or got a scanned copy makes little difference. Apple didn't put red theatre curtains on the announcement to unveil a G5, a PowerBook or even (the best joke of them all) a 50% .mac subscription.

It's clearly movie/video related. I have no idea what (I hadn't even read about that apple.com/movies/ thing), and have no intention of making blind speculations, but it's coming.

We know that Apple has been in talk with both music companies regarding video as well as Disney. Who else may they have been talking to? Anyone have any information that I haven't read?

David :cool:
 
Super Dave said:
We know that Apple has been in talk with both music companies regarding video as well as Disney. Who else may they have been talking to? Anyone have any information that I haven't read?

David :cool:

On Applenova someone mentioned Apple talked to Viacom, but I have no idea, if that information is true.

Viacom of course owns MTV, CBS, etc. so that is potentially a lot of content.
 
Surreal said:
I want a G5 laptop because i am pretty sure that apps like logic will run substantially slower on intel for a long while.

I'd love to see a G5 Mac Mini or eMac.
 
powerbook911 said:
Viacom of course owns MTV, CBS, etc. so that is potentially a lot of content.


Paramount Pictures...

Of course, next year, Viacom is splitting in two.
 
iMovieStore

I Think I've Cracked It. Apple Is Going To Announce iPod Video With An imoviestore. The Clue Is in the Invitation...When You Goto The Movie Theatre, You Have Red Curtains That Cover The Screen Before The Trailers Start. I Know The Moscone Center Has red Curtains but never used in an Invitation...
 
digitalbiker said:
You obviously never saw the Amiga version of Rocket Ranger and Arkanoid II because if you had you would never make this statement.

The Amiga versions wer far superior, delivered 4096 colors, and had a hi-res interlaced mode that blew away the Apple IIGS.

The company that produced Rocket Ranger, "(CinemaWare I think)" developed on an Amiga and wrote for the Amiga. These were later ported to the AppleIIGS.

Your comments make me think that you never really saw or used an Amiga. It sounds more like you read about them in MacWorld magazine.

Sorry, I have seen both and the GS version IS BETTER, especially for Arkanoid I and II...not only was the AppleColor definitely a better monitor, but sound capabities of the GS were miles ahead of any other machine, including the Amiga and its poor "sampled sounds"...

As for color, the GS achieved the same hi-res interlace (if I am not mistaken, 640x200 was just the beginning, if you see some French demos at the time) and got up to 3200/4096 with dithering mechanisms...so graphics were, at least, in the same league as the Amiga...apart from the fact that the GS encompassed a much more pleasant experience as a computer...it was an awesome machine.
 
iTMS subscription service?

Has anyone thought of iTMS going Napster-like?

2 cents.
 
What do you have to say about that? I know they can get better screens regardless of the processor. What I mean is it's sad when a 10 inch screen is better than a (Apple) 17" high end screen. For the PowerBook begin highend....you don't get as much as you pay for at the moment imo.


-You know what makes me mad? I was at the mall today and went to the Sony Style store, they had a super small laptop with a 10.5 inch screen and faster than a powerbook with a XGA or w/e screen with a better picture quality.....Steve Jobs needs to stop slacking...I want my new updated PowerBook NOW. pg.16
 
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