New iPods and Pro Machines?

I would buy a dual/dual core PM

And so would a lot of other people.

As far as benchmarks, PM's have generally been getting less performance all along, but not significantly, and frankly, I'm not that concerned about the price. We would be getting what we have been getting all along; a really solid machine for productivity.

80GB and 40GB iPod's. Hardly anybody will max these out with music.

If you want to create a demand for these, you've got to create a need for that storage space, and I'm sure that Apple is aware of this. I don't think that mobile video is that big a deal, but then, nobody has done it well yet, and I'm not sure a 320 x 200 screen would even be enough resolution.

So, count me in with the "there will be video iPods" crowd. I'm just skeptical that it will be here by year's end.
 
digitalbiker said:
BRLawyer is just wrong about this and you are correct. It is not just personal opinion. The Amiga OS was way ahead of it's time and had one of the most innovative programming teams ever working on the project. Programing on the Amiga was a joy and it had more capabilities and features than any other machine/OS combo of it's time. AppleII GEOS was a pig, poorly implimented, and a major resource hog.

If Commodore had not mismanaged this line, they would be the dominent leader in WS class video effects, computer generated graphics, and 3D modeling.IMHO
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Sorry, you didn't read my post in the most accurate manner then...I am aware of the "under the hood" advancements of the Amiga OS and accept that; however, I was mostly talking about overall refinement of UI feel and features, and the worse construction quality of Amigas, in comparison with late 80s and early 90s Apple machines (I still remember the sorry-ass mouse and disk drive of the Amigas...bah!).

The Workbench was indeed a crap for the end user, as both Mac OS and GS/OS were far ahead in deployment of user interface guidelines; programming is a difficult point to argue about, but it's hard to say that tools weren't better in Apple Macs and the Apple IIGS (anyone who has seen the gigantic Toolbox collection for BOTH lines may attest this).

As for sheer performance, Amigas were pretty good but failed miserably in terms of market segmentation...apart from games, early video overlay and some crazy DJs with samplers, NO ONE took them seriously...productivity software was close to ZERO in Amigas (no need to mention those poor Paintbrush implementations), and business offers for Macs and Apples were infinitely better at that time.
 
Dual Dual G5s

Okay, the dual core PPC 970 MP can do something that the x86 Dual cores can't. The cores can communicate with eachother on a chip level. This basically means that with a little creative process coding, it's like having 2 chips that are twiceas fast. The OS is already capable of dealing with two more cores, and X's multiprocessor coding blows XP Pro's away. I Guess we'll just have to see what the future holds.
 
Sigh. Typical. I just spent over $300 yesterday on a brand new 20gb color..I'm glad, though, that new iPods aren't flash-based...I'd be upset if they were 20gb Nanos, and my new iPod would have become instantly obsolete.
 
MmmPancakes said:
Sigh. Typical. I just spent over $300 yesterday on a brand new 20gb color..I'm glad, though, that new iPods aren't flash-based...I'd be upset if they were 20gb Nanos, and my new iPod would have become instantly obsolete.
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If a new model comes out within 10 days, you can get the difference back if the price of the 20 drops or is discontinued.
 
ColoJohnBoy said:
Whatever happens, I hope they use a lower power processor. I'm happy with the performance on mine, but the bloody thing gets so effing hot I can't stand it!
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Everyone always get so mad at how hot the PBs get... I sort of weirdly like it. It's sort of warm and like it's really working hard or something....
BTW, what exactly is Intel (it is times like this when I feel unbearably ignorant) and what would it mean if their were like Intel Power Macs or Powerbooks or whatever, and are there any Macs that are currently Intel? Oh, I think I might get it, like an Intel Processor, like Mac having them make it instead of making it themselves (which they do now, right?). Sorry I'm being so stupid, but some clarification would be greatly appreciated.
:eek:
 
BRLawyer said:
Sorry, you didn't read my post in the most accurate manner then...I am aware of the "under the hood" advancements of the Amiga OS and accept that; however, I was mostly talking about overall refinement of UI feel and features, and the worse construction quality of Amigas, in comparison with late 80s and early 90s Apple machines (I still remember the sorry-ass mouse and disk drive of the Amigas...bah!).

The Workbench was indeed a crap for the end user, as both Mac OS and GS/OS were far ahead in deployment of user interface guidelines; programming is a difficult point to argue about, but it's hard to say that tools weren't better in Apple Macs and the Apple IIGS (anyone who has seen the gigantic Toolbox collection for BOTH lines may attest this).

As for sheer performance, Amigas were pretty good but failed miserably in terms of market segmentation...apart from games, early video overlay and some crazy DJs with samplers, NO ONE took them seriously...productivity software was close to ZERO in Amigas (no need to mention those poor Paintbrush implementations), and business offers for Macs and Apples were infinitely better at that time.
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I don't know where do you get the Amiga reliability facts from but all the machines I have ever been involved with always runned smooth and to this day I still have Amiga 2000 in my closet that I fire up and it still runs without any problems... And I never ever ever had one crash on any of my Amigas (something I can't even say about Mac OS X)

Another thing, back in the 1980s and early 90s when PCs and Macs were equally aesthetically ugly Amigas and Atari ST were sleek and beautiful machines to look at, they were over 10 years ago what Apple is now...
How can u say no one took them seriously, US market doesn't equal worldwide market... Amigas were used by the pros in Europe all over the place... Amigas were also used in Hollywood in quite a few projects... Sure the US home market didn't embrace the Amiga as well as for example in Europe, but without offending anyone and speaking from experience, most of US home market is pretty much not so technically savvy...

The Commodore marketing team definately screwed up in Amigas case but from the software/hardware perspective they were just so much ahead of its time that its even silly to think otherwise... Multitasking, true plug and play, COLOR graphics, simply the most advanced OS of its time, add to that competetive pricing, all they needed back then was an Apple-esque marketing team of today and I bet you would be typing on this thread from an Amiga computer...

But things turned out differently and they are pretty much dead now...
 
New iPods and Power Macs sound great! I am still waiting patiently for the dual-core PMs, so this would definitely make me very happy. :) As for the 5th gen iPods, I definitely do not expect video, at least from the beginning. I think Apple will take their time with that and introduce an iPod video later down the 5th gen line, like they did with the 4th gen iPod photo.

I'll be getting a dual-core PM G5 as soon as they are announced if all this is true. :D
 
mklos said:
I agree that the new PowerBook would NOT be a G5 based PowerBook, but rather a either a small G4 speed bump, or a dual core G4 at similar CPU speeds of the current line up.

And like we've said at least a hundred times before, the MacTel PowerBook will NOT be called a PowerBook G6. The G-series is gone with the Intel switch. The "G#" signifies the generation of PPC processors. So a G5 is the fifth generation of PPC Processors for example. So it makes absolutely no sense to call any Intel processor a G6, G7, etc as its not a part of the PPC processor generation.

I'm hoping that the iPod stays doing what it does best, which is playing music. Its wasn't designed to be anything else. IMO, it's main function should ONLY be to play music. I don't want Apple to take a nice gadget and make it complicated by putting useless features in it, such as video that most people won't use. You also have to realize that once Apple's adds a feature to something like an iPod, it will be very difficult, if not impossible to take that feature away. Its like putting Anti-Lock brakes on a Dodge Neon as standard equipment in 2005, and then in 2006 making it optional, or not available at all. Makes the car less appealing, and pisses future customers off. So Apple has to be very careful to what they add to the iPod. Personally, I think they should focus on getting the slimmer, more battery life, and lower prices. All of the above would qualify for a great 5th generation improvement I think.
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Is there much of a possibility of a Powerbook G5? That's sort of what I've been hoping for since the iBook G4s came out.
Oh, btw, if you're looking at my prior post I get the Intel thing now (mostly, lol). I had a stupid moment. :rolleyes:
 
quadrakid said:
new pro-machines? PB's and PM's? I dont really give a crap about i-pods there good music players and look real nice but jesus a computer hardware update would be useful.
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Yeah, I liked Apple more when it was a computer company . . .
 
SPUY767 said:
Nah, Picture the basic same design with a screenh on the left and a click wheel on the right, same resolutuion with the screen turned on its side.
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Never Happen.

Don't forget about the lefties.

Everything that Apple designs can be used by both left-handed and right-handed folks in it's normal orientation.

Sushi
 
sushi said:
Never Happen.

Don't forget about the lefties.

Everything that Apple designs can be used by both left-handed and right-handed folks in it's normal orientation.

Sushi
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Hmm, that's an excellent point. They could always sell two different versions, a right-handed one and a left-hanged one. That would cost more, though... ah, who knows! :p
 
p0intblank said:
Hmm, that's an excellent point. They could always sell two different versions, a right-handed one and a left-hanged one. That would cost more, though... ah, who knows! :p
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They can also make a rotating orientation like the Newton.

Sushi
 
amateurmacfreak said:
Everyone always get so mad at how hot the PBs get... I sort of weirdly like it. It's sort of warm and like it's really working hard or something....
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So it's not a bug, it's a feature, right? In fact why don't they market powerbooks as "keeping your lap toasty on those cold winter nights while you're hacking away for mean Mr.Kringle." ;)
 
JRM PowerPod said:
My Predictions....
PowerMac
-Dual Dual Core 2.3GHZ 1GB DDR2 250GB PCIE256mbX600 $2999
-Dual Dual Core 2.0GHZ 1GB DDR2 250GB PCIE128mbX600 $2499
-Single Dual Core 2.0GHZ 512mb DDR2 160GB PCIE128mbX600 $1499
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I would not want a video card that has been out already for PCs for over a year to be in the PowerMac again. ATI just released its line up for the AVIVO based R520 cards

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=3566

Here are the details:
X1800 XT 512MB - $549
X1800 XT 256MB - $499
X1800 XL 256MB - $449
X1600 XT 256MB - $249
X1600 XT 128MB - $199
X1600 Pro 256MB - $199
X1600 Pro 128MB - $149
X1300 Pro 256MB - $149
X1300 256MB - $129
X1300 128MB - $99
X1300 Hyper Memory 128MB - $79
 
BRLawyer said:
I wasn't even talking about the Mac OS...the GS/OS in the Apple IIGS (and also the GEOS in the Apple II) were better examples of UI in an OS...they had far more features and a much better organized view...the Workbench in the Amiga was pure crap, IMHO...but tastes differ, of course...
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All this talk about Apple IIs, GEOS and Amigas is making me nostalgic.

My first computer in high school was an Apple IIe, which I grudgingly replaced with a a Commodore 128-D that was my main computer for most of college. (My brother had been using a C-64 for a while and got me into it, he later turned into a major Mac-head while I had entered my PC phase) It was 1984 and Macs had only recently come out and were way too expensive for me to consider buying at the time, so I just used the ones in the lab on campus.

IMHO GEOS-128 on my 128D was quite a bit more usable than the original 128K Mac (yes it was 2-3 years later). I think this had a lot to do with the fact that the applications were really minimalistic and heavily optimized for the hardware. (Macs had of course become really usable when the fat Mac and hard drives finally emerged.)

On topic: I'm keeping my hopes up for any new releases between now and the end of the year, but if it doesn't get released early this month it's pretty much moot for the xmas season. I'd personally like to see a 20-40Gb iPod that might be 10-20% smaller than the 4G I own, but maybe still a bit larger than the mini. The nano is very tempting, but I'd buy a smaller full size iPod instantly. I'm also among the few who are still yearning for an "iPod home"/digital hub, i.e. a piece of hardware designed to be integrated into a rack of AV equipment, unlke the Mac mini, this should use large, fast 3.5" SATA drives.

B
 
Foocha said:
I've put together a page of mockups and predictions for anyone who's interested.
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You were working hard on those earlier, all in a short space of time.

Here, have a pint on me
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Steve Jobs won't use cell because apparently it isn't a good general purpose processor. Let's face it, we are stuck with intel for at least a few years. Let's just hope they produce something that can change some of our minds on them.
 
ok this is my response to all the redundant and terrible guess at what the updates might be and when. BARF, CHOKE, BAH HUMBUG, EH, SCRATCH, WINK WINK, SIGH, CRY, TEARS OUT HAIR, SCREAMS, SINGS OPERA, BELCH, SCREAMS OUT SOMETHING VULGAR, KICKS SOMETHING, BITES SOMETHING, TAKES PC AND THROWS IT AGAINST A WALL, sry didnt need the caps on, wants to take new powerbook and throw it at sombudy, takes g4 imac then goes to next person to post something like its a g5 powerbook no its a widescreen ibook and throws the imac at them by the neck (wait thats a mac lets make it a dell comp), random typing...alkdfjldjf;lkdjf;orhj43oirjodsjfw2h3r0dfopiofuaoherfoiwejrndef;l;sadjf asf, stop all this nonsense people. what will come will come
 
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