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hi i havent got a clue how the ipod works, but im wondering now whats the use of the rotating wheel (apart from scrolling) as you've got buttons for most ofthe functions now.,. or is that the only function:confused:
 
List of problems and questions and Cocoa confusion

Hi,

I've posted a list of the problems or questions I have about the new Music service, and a clarification of the significance of whether the new iTunes is Cocoa or Carbon on my blog.

Briefly they are:

  • International availability

    Where does the money go?

    Buying complete albums having bought several tracks

    Is an Audio CD burnt from downloaded AAC files Redbook-compliant?

    The exact nature of user interaction required after the tenth burn.

    Can J. Random Musician add his own unsigned music and get paid for it?

    You can't browse while listening to a preview.

I make my own more detailed points on these in the blog.
 
Originally posted by abdul
hi i havent got a clue how the ipod works, but im wondering now whats the use of the rotating wheel (apart from scrolling) as you've got buttons for most ofthe functions now.,. or is that the only function:confused:

you still use the wheel for navigating the folders in the ipod to select songs, view calendars, play solitare, etc. The buttons give you side to side, and of course play functions, but the wheels gives you up and down, not to mention volume control.
 
Oh and to insult to injury as well as not getting the music service we get to pay more for the ipods as well

10GB $299 = £186 + tax = £218 AppleStore Price £249 difference £31 = $50
15GB £399 = £249 + tax = £292 Applestore Price £299 difference £7
30GB $499 = £311 + tax = £365 Applestore price £399 difference £34

Thanks a lot. So the 15GB is the one to buy if don't want to pay $50 extra to Apple for nothing.
 
I also had alot of the 405 & 504 issues, at first. Of course, I forgot to update Quicktime. After updating, the service worked great for me. I found about 10 songs that I wanted, it was a pleasurable user experience.

I agree with alot here about the indie labels, but I do think they will fall into place.

I haven't read through every post here, about half. But really my only concern is the archiving situation. Guess I'll have to be mindful about archiving these songs. It would be nice if Apple retained a list of all your bought songs and allowed you to download them more than once. Maybe they do? I have no idea.
 
Originally posted by foniks2020
I just downloaded the exact song you mention... just for kicks really, but I don't hear any of the defects you talk about...

I'm thinking you may have some odd AAC over USB issue or something. Did you install Quicktime 6.2? What kind of speakers? Which version of OS? 10.2.5? or earlier?

I'm on an OG TiG4 500 w/ iMic USB Audio unit to crappy PC speakers. Maybe with some real speakers I could hear what you're talking about?

Also when I first downloaded iTunes 4 and tried the service I couldn't get past the home page.. then I downloaded Quicktime 6.2, installed, restarted and all was well with the world.... apparently you must have 6.2 installed to have support for Protected AAC and the music store checks to see which version you have.

So if you have problems, go through the checklist.

iTunes 4

Quicktime 6.2

OS X 10.2.4 (preferred)

Then look at your audio devices...

Just to let you know this is not an all digital recording. Rubenstein, the pianist, died in 1982. There would be background hiss on the original cd. By the way you could buy this one in the store for under $10 it is a mid-budget classical cd.

Anyway one other thing...

Where are the liner notes when buying full albums, especially for opera/musical words/translations and for information about performers and composers, essential for classical music?
 
Originally posted by caveman_uk
Oh and to insult to injury as well as not getting the music service we get to pay more for the ipods as well

10GB $299 = £186 + tax = £218 AppleStore Price £249 difference £31 = $50
15GB £399 = £249 + tax = £292 Applestore Price £299 difference £7
30GB $499 = £311 + tax = £365 Applestore price £399 difference £34
Be thankful... in Australia we're worse off (except for the 10GB). Unfortunately our salaries are quite a drop lower than the US or UK.

10GB $299 = A$483 + tax = $531 AppleStore Price A$595 difference $64 ... so
10GB costs us US$40 more
15GB costs us US$55 more
30GB costs us US$69 more

Then again, it is improving. Until yesterday the 10GB was $845 (US$523). How much was it in the US? That much is a great improvement!

I would love to see an Australian music download.
 
Originally posted by LethalWolfe
You forgot a pretty imporant piece of the pie. The recording study, including the rent on the room/building plus cost of all the equipment, the producer(s) and engineer(s).


Lethal

you people are naive if you think records cannot be made for a fraction of the price which a "major' produces. Lets spend 1000.00 an hour (per engineer and producer) instead of 25 and have the band produce. yeah dude!

you people souind like the anti-war activists trying to defend a dictatorship.
 
software missing features on old iPods

Old 5gig iPod + new 1.3 update =
NO alarm clock!
NO new games!
NO on-the-go-playlists!

I have to assume it was intentionally left out, since my iPod can already play the brick game, and has a clock, and recognizes playlists. Is that incentive for me to buy a new iPod? NO.

- Cliff

Originally posted by coolbreeze
Will the new iPod software allow on-the-fly playlists and ratings on old iPods (2nd generation) or just the new ones? I can't find a solid answer on that...
 
Originally posted by LethalWolfe
All iPods comes w/the firewre-to-dock cable. The 15 and 30 gig versions come w/a dock. The dock and the cable are seperate so you don't have to use the dock if you don't want to.


Lethal

I realised this after I saw some pictures of the dock from the side (which was after I posted). People were complaining that they had to carry the dock with them - this is not the case. If the dock is going to be usefull though you probably want it set up all the time so will want to purchase another cable so as you are not always plugging/unplugging the dock one.
 
Originally posted by twelve
you people are naive if you think records cannot be made for a fraction of the price which a "major' produces. Lets spend 1000.00 an hour (per engineer and producer) instead of 25 and have the band produce. yeah dude!

you people souind like the anti-war activists trying to defend a dictatorship.


I'm naive because I mentioned additional costs that the original poster left out? That makes sense. Did you see me defending the current price of CDs or the majors? No. I merely corrected an omission. Before jumping on your soap box again you might consider brushing up on your reading comprehension skills.


Lethal
 
Re: software missing features on old iPods

Originally posted by cliffcurtis
Old 5gig iPod + new 1.3 update =
NO alarm clock!
NO new games!
NO on-the-go-playlists!

I have to assume it was intentionally left out, since my iPod can already play the brick game, and has a clock, and recognizes playlists. Is that incentive for me to buy a new iPod? NO.

- Cliff

Isn't there an alarms option in the Settings menu?
 
Originally posted by alfonsog
Just to let you know this is not an all digital recording. Rubenstein, the pianist, died in 1982. There would be background hiss on the original cd. By the way you could buy this one in the store for under $10 it is a mid-budget classical cd.

Yes, it's good to remember that just because *most* of the albums are good deals, not all of them are. It still pays to shop around. For example, there are a few operas on Apple's music store that a much cheaper to buy from Amazon. That being said, anyone who's interested in having a complete opera would probably want the actual cd's anyway (for the production notes, libretto, etc).
 
I also have no alarm clock, no new games, no on-the-go-playlists... Maybe the update is differant then the one that comes with the new iPods.

This is funny, the smallest withdrawl I've ever seen in my account. I got ripped a penny more than 99 cents.
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Best Deal

Which iPod do you guys think is the best deal?

10gb for $299 has no dock, carrying case or remote, 15gb for $399 has the dock/case/remote(~$100 value) , but is only 5gb more. And finally the 30gb at $499 has twice the capacity as 15gb for $100 more, but is thicker and slightly heavier. Im thinking the 15gb is the best deal so far (since i only have about 10gb of music). I also think the smaller size is just cool. But i do like the old design better, no contest. What do you think?
 
Steve Jobs own words

Ok guys I contacted Steve Jobs at Apple and this is what he answered about the fact that the Itunes Music Store is not available in Europe yet.

"The problem lies with the music companies, not Apple. We are working to resolve it ASAP."

So lets hope they manage to sort it out soon.
 
Originally posted by Mudbug
you still use the wheel for navigating the folders in the ipod to select songs, view calendars, play solitare, etc. The buttons give you side to side, and of course play functions, but the wheels gives you up and down, not to mention volume control.

Is there still a button in the middle of the wheel. Hard to tell in the photos...
 
Originally posted by robbieduncan
I realised this after I saw some pictures of the dock from the side (which was after I posted). People were complaining that they had to carry the dock with them - this is not the case. If the dock is going to be usefull though you probably want it set up all the time so will want to purchase another cable so as you are not always plugging/unplugging the dock one.

What about charging the new iPod in the car cigarette lighter? I don't own an iPod yet and am having trouble picturing this -- will new chargers need to come out, or can an old car charger with a firewire cable somehow be plugged into the dock-to-firewire cable?
 
Ok. About my hissing audio noise.

First- I noticed I had QT 6.1 . I tried to do Quicktime update and Software update and neither showed 6.2 as an option, which was odd. Anyhoo, I did manage to get it installed by manually downloading from Apple.com .

Second- That did not fix the problem. I think it must just be what you fellas said about being a non-digital recording. I just lowered the 16-8-4k bars to nothing and the hiss is gone. I also noticed that my speakers output a very quiet hiss of their own :\ . Not noticable unless you try to hear it, which is obvious by the fact that I did not hear it for the year I have had em :)

Srry to make you download a song to hear the noise, but hey, who doesnt like the Moonlight Sonata?
 
Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
i think it's the first day.... 200k songs is not all that much as many people have said. but it seems to me that apple is doing (or at least having a part in) the encoding themselves... so i don't mind that it takes them some time.

rather have em paying workers to get os x flying than making sure madonna is available...

though i certainly see your point. it's just a matter of time i'm sure.
He mentions Beatles, Rolling Stones and Madonna and you think it's because Apple just didn't HAVE TIME to do these people? Wouldn't you think they would encode the VERY HOTTEST and BESTING SELLING acts first for the store. Obviously, these acts' record companies said NO, WE'RE DOING JUST FINE WITHOUT LOSING MONEY ON THIS SPECIFIC GROUP OF ARTISTS.

Unless Apple can show these artists facts & figures (How many searches were done and how much money is pouring in) then you won't be seeing the biggest acts any time soon. No matter who's doing the AAC work.
 
Re: Re: software missing features on old iPods

There is an "Alarm" option in the Settings menu, but it works with the Calendar and you can't set it from your iPod. The new alarm clock should show up under the Extras/Clock menu rather then the Settings menu. But it doesn't on my 5gig iPod.

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Isn't there an alarms option in the Settings menu?
 
Re: Re: Great service...

Originally posted by caveman_uk
Yeah, but I bet you'd be pissed if SJ came out with 'we've got this cool new idea but we couldn't be bothered to sort it out for the US but it works everywhere else'. It's not just this. It's Sherlock (US-only and totally useless outside of the US. I don't even have it on my dock), iPhoto - would be great to buy one of those really nice albums. But wait there aren't any photo processing shops outside of the US are there ;) so I can't use that feature either (The Japanese tourists I see around London are obviously just pretending and can't possibly be developing their photos). I'm surprised they even let us print on A4 paper...:rolleyes:

Oh and BTW. What's the problem with people using Carbon? Cocoa's easier to start a new app in but being Carbon doesn't make anything slower or anything...probably marginally the opposite...

This quote was in reply to a post saying give Apple a break its only day one they'll work it out for the rest of the world.

Well that was said about iPhoto albums........still waiting.

It will be time for Linux if this goes to Windows in the US before Apple users in the rest of the world.

Those not in the US might feel better if Apple at least commented on the products it hadn't bothered to release - why, when, because of etc.

I'm sure someone can comment on % of Apple revenues from overseas.

As for Sherlock - named after a character who lived in London and created by an English author - it ain't cool if you can't use it.

But of course it's all just a reality distortion field.

And no Communication device.:mad: :mad: :mad:
 
parental controls

I asked this earlier but got no response. In Jobs presentation he made a point of mentioning that the Store automatically tagged "Adult Content" songs like Eminem. Does this mean there is a parental control built into iTunes to prevent your kids from buying these tracks? Anyone? Anyone?
 
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