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New iPods, New Apple Music Service

iTunes 4 Cocoa?

Hey, is iTunes 4 now Cocoa native? I noticed that the "recessed" window buttons have appeared in iTunes (as in iSync, Safari, iCal). Also, the Speech services work now. If this is not the case, I am sorry, but it would explain the speed increase!
 
observations

Accessing another mac on my airport network is slow. Took about a minute to show the library on my iBook from my DP 867.

AAC importing is slower than MP3. Bummer. I regularly got 15X burning from my 52X CDR. With AAC I get 10X.

Stupid Apple music store won't let me confirm my credit card info. I'm sure it's just overloaded but it's clear it is not yet set up yet for daily use. There are really not all that many modern mac owners who download iTunes on the first day. They really should have been able to handle things on day one but I'll reserve judgement of course for a few weeks. Lets hope it's not like .mac with its regular outages.
 
explain in simple terms...

Okay, someone was bitching about not having complete control over the usage of the song they download so I need some simple explanation on the problem. From what I understand, the song can only play on 3 macs. No prob for me since I barely had the $$$ for my 1 powerbook let alone trying to have 4 macs. But for those more fortunate to have 4 macs, um, go buy the damn cd in a store if this is such an issue (since you obviously can afford $14 if you can afford 4 >$2000 machines). Otherwise, Can I not burn 1000000000s of cds with this downloaded song with no problem (so I have to mix things up every 10 burns no biggie) ? And should I acquire tons of ipods, all of them can have this downloaded song. What's the big deal (again, simple terms)?
 
"(since you obviously can afford $14 if you can afford 4 >$2000 machines)"

Weeeellllll...... I wish...
I am fortunate enough to work in an office which is mac centric (Ad agency). So, I get to have a G4 tower in the office.
At home I have a G3 Tower, which I've had for a few years now. I'm looking forward to getting a new 15" PowerBook when they come out.

Now, since it's entirely possible that my work mac could get swiched out on me, for whatever reason, that means I could get to 4 macs. Granted, I'm the extreme, but it's possible.

I think the thing that I am worried about isn't so much the likelihood of having 4 machines at once, as much as I'm worried about having 4 machines over time.

I wish I could afford them all at once.
The easiest work around I've seen is the whole burn to cd, and rip back to file. Of course, I am far too lazy for that. Also, will iTunes recognize the track after it's been burned to cd, will I have to re-enter all of the tags?

In any case, I am not a rich guy, but I am certainly a power user who would feel better with even a 5 or 6 machine limit... Of course, someone will always have an extreme case.
 
I for one really like the new service. It worked for me just fine - search was flaky - and for ME this is a great way to buy music.

Some older CD's cost $17.99 for no reason whatsoever. $9.99 now? Sounds good to me!

All in all I'm impressed. The note about 'buy today, get it by Friday' is GREAT. It shows a commitment to getting product out the door? Are we seeing a "new" Apple? They're loosening their lips a bit, shipping product when they're announced... Strange!

My chief complaint is that I haven't been able to find some songs "Jump Around" for example. Although I suspect that as it pics up steam, this issue will resolve itself for the most part.
 
Toast and AAC

I actually do most of my burning through Toast rather than iTunes. Anyone know if Toast is (or is going to be) able to convert AAC to AIFF like it currently can with MP3? More importantly, if Toast has or gains this feature will it cancel the "10 burn limit" imposed by the new music service?
 
Originally posted by gwaereth
I think the thing that I am worried about isn't so much the likelihood of having 4 machines at once, as much as I'm worried about having 4 machines over time.
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you can deauthorize the machine you stop using, and authorize the new one. and it'll work. (don't ask how you do that. :))
 
How does iTunes 4 know what country I am in. I can't find anywhere on my system where I can set this. I live in the Bahamas, but I have a US credit card. The first time I launched iTunes 4 and went to the music store it said it is not available in my country yet. Can I trick it some way, or change some setting somewhere?
 
Originally posted by twelve
i still don't understand why people would use this when you can get it all for free plus the fact that no independent music is available means i'm interested in about .01% of the stuff they offer. I guess i hope it is successful to give apple some revenue to finally get the chips back in the running and i must admit they did a great job of integrating the store aspect within iTunes.
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personally, most of the music i listen to is "independent"... that said, if you're into indie bands that much, you really shouldn't be all that into getting it free... indie bands need the money more than anyone, and yet you hose them by using p2p... nice.
 
Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
you can deauthorize the machine you stop using, and authorize the new one. and it'll work. (don't ask how you do that. :))
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Oh, come on... You can't expect me not to ask now!!!
That's cool then I guess, but does anyone have an idea as to how this works?

Just curious now...

thanks jelloshotsrule (and yes, yes they do rule)
 
Originally posted by stukoch
Can a music service really be called a music service without the some of the best-selling artists of all-time?

The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Madonna, Puff Daddy, Notorious B.I.G., etc...

-Stu
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i think it's the first day.... 200k songs is not all that much as many people have said. but it seems to me that apple is doing (or at least having a part in) the encoding themselves... so i don't mind that it takes them some time.

rather have em paying workers to get os x flying than making sure madonna is available...

though i certainly see your point. it's just a matter of time i'm sure.
 
Originally posted by gwaereth
Oh, come on... You can't expect me not to ask now!!!
That's cool then I guess, but does anyone have an idea as to how this works?

Just curious now...

thanks jelloshotsrule (and yes, yes they do rule)
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ha. i'm sure someone has a better idea than me... from reading all the posts in this thread, i've concluded that your mac has to be up and running to de-authorize (or at least it sounds that way)... so it's probably like registering your computer, but just UNregistering it... though i'm not sure where that takes place

give it a few days/weeks and i'm sure all the little details will come out.
 
Originally posted by iN8
How does iTunes 4 know what country I am in. I can't find anywhere on my system where I can set this. I live in the Bahamas, but I have a US credit card. The first time I launched iTunes 4 and went to the music store it said it is not available in my country yet. Can I trick it some way, or change some setting somewhere?
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Perhaps it checks your IP address. Maybe you could use Anonymizer or another proxy service to get around it if that's the case.
 
Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
ha. i'm sure someone has a better idea than me... from reading all the posts in this thread, i've concluded that your mac has to be up and running to de-authorize (or at least it sounds that way)... so it's probably like registering your computer, but just UNregistering it... though i'm not sure where that takes place

give it a few days/weeks and i'm sure all the little details will come out.
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There is a menu option to authorize or deauthorize in the Advanced Menu of iTunes.
 
Quit complaining about music selection. The selection is great for a brand new service. If there is a song or album you want tell them. There is a ling at the top left of the home menu on the service that says, "Requests & Feedback". Click it and tell them.
 
Originally posted by starflyer 59
So, I have a couple of questions. do they keep some sort of log file that knows what you ahve downloaded? What would happen if my computer was destroyed and I had to re-download all of my music. Will they charge me again?
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I am sure this has been answered 6 times already tonight - but just in case it hasn't:

I checked out this very question in the help files. If you lose your computer you lose the files and you have to buy them again. Thankfully you can burn them to a data CD from within iTunes and there is a handy playlist for this very purpose.
 
Originally posted by MacBandit
There is a menu option to authorize or deauthorize in the Advanced Menu of iTunes.
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So, what happens if the machine dies or is lost before you can go and de-authorize it? Are you locked into a "ghost" machine?

Is there a centrally located area or place at Apple where you can kill that "ghost"?
 
Originally posted by howard
so...i got artwork from amazon.com and dragged it to my itunes artwork window..but then i realized that the little 20% showed up like it was on amazon...so i found another good picture and dragged it ...but now i have 2 pictures and little arrows where i can switch the artwork...but i don't know how to delete the art i don't want...any ideas?
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This took me forver to figure out. It is really simple though, I just didn't look around enough. If you haven't figured it out already, just go to "file" and "get info" and there is a "artwork" tab. You can delete the artwork from there. You can't delete it on multiple songs though, which kind of sucks. :rolleyes:
 
When you burn a data CD within iTunes 4, are the songs you burn onto that disc, the ones that have been purchased, subject to the "only on 3 macs" limitation? If I am playing directly off of the CD, that is, and not importing the files? Obviously ana udio-format CD gets around this limit, but what about the data CD format, which is new to iTunes, and preserves the original format of the songs (incl., presumably, protected-AAC?)
 
on and off topic

As far as the new music service goes, so far it seems like a winner. Content will come with time - you can't expect the complete discography of every major recording label and the phat beats or smooth licks of every indie label to be there for the asking on day 1. It'll come. Just ask for what you want.

<off topic> I had fun this morning chatting with the guys (and girls?) in the ichat mrevent chatroom during the announcement. We ought to do that more often - immediate feedback is pretty neat - like having a conversation with people in 20 different countries all at the same time. I for one really enjoyed it. Thanks to all that participated. And for the record, it was a lot easier to keep up with than the irc fee - that was just too much all at once. </off topic>
 
Re: on and off topic

Originally posted by Mudbug
<off topic> I had fun this morning chatting with the guys (and girls?) in the ichat mrevent chatroom during the announcement. We ought to do that more often - immediate feedback is pretty neat - like having a conversation with people in 20 different countries all at the same time. I for one really enjoyed it. Thanks to all that participated. And for the record, it was a lot easier to keep up with than the irc fee - that was just too much all at once. </off topic>
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Hell yeah, that's probably the bast part of all these big announcements, that whole Macrumors iChatroom started at MWSF this year and it pops up every once in awhile when the server's too busy and such, anyone can join!
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questions

Here are my concerns/questions/observations

-If I choose to rip my cds via AAC instead of MP3, will there be any restrictions on the songs, or is that only on the ones that are downloaded from the music store?

-Ever since today's bunch of downloads/upgrades, my airport is a bit unstable, allways losing the connection to the base station, anyone else having that problem?


all in all, a big day for the Mac, mt Ti 1Ghz is up and running with all the new stuff and I think the Music Store has promise. I'd say that the price is a bit high & really should be closer to 60 cents. I'll still buy cds, but this will give me the option of getting just the tracks that I want.

And then there is the issue of what to so with my 5gig iPod....
 
Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
personally, most of the music i listen to is "independent"... that said, if you're into indie bands that much, you really shouldn't be all that into getting it free... indie bands need the money more than anyone, and yet you hose them by using p2p... nice.
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eventually i buy the vinyl edition if i like what i hear and spend hundreds of dollars supporting bands and live music.

major labels screwed themselves by inventing a product which has no scarcity (value) and never lowered prices on cds which now cost three cents so it seems like karma getting even. to be honest, parts of me want this service to fail miserably so that the record companies will completely collapse. in some ways apple is their last hope.
 
The ipod just got beaten hard by whatever ugly stick turned the sleek imac G3 in to the beast we call the emac. Ouch, apple, not good. Not good at all. And did anyone else notice that they quietly cut the battery life to 8 hours? That is a huge minus for me. Playing time is what it's all about. And the dock? Come on. Stop trying to be a PDA. That thing is not needed.

My 5 gb ipod just became a lot MORE valuable to me! If I were gonna buy a new ipod I'd look for a deal on a discontinued model without even considering the new ones.

(p.s. And don't think I'm just one of those people who is never satisfied no matter what apple does. While many people were badly disappointed with last weeks ibook updates, I was so happy I bought one the day it came out. I've also been satisfied with other recent releases, like the PM, the Albooks, and even the imac bumb was ok. But this one stinks!!!)
 
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