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New iPods, New Apple Music Service

don't play it loud

This music service is utterly useless unless you are about 45-years old with a taste in music as refined as a launch event that has Bono gapping about the "future of music". Give me a break - Jobs spent the last year wiping the BigFive's asses and didnt bother to get a single (even Semi-) Independent on board? Sting, Sheryl Crow, U2? An alternative section that feaures the Cranberries? Who is in charge over there? Ned Flanders?
 
A friend of mine who has the old toilet seat ibook will be happy with this, nice to see MSNBC had a feed of it.
Looks like downloads galore once I get home....so what's the instore event at the end of this week for?
And what happened with Viveldi Music and all?
 
interoperablity

I DON'T CARE ABOUT IT'S OTHER FEATURES

if its interoperable... im getting one NOW and THEN my albook 15.

if it's interoperable... then apple has either adapted to fat32 or made a neutral format or some program change....

think about the use for switching between platforms....
1) 3rd party program makes copy of your pc onto your ipod
2) it loads all your important files onto your new mac.... ( or even more cool) into virtual pc!
 
i just saw the outline of the service on channel nine kcal news. including the macintosh (apple) only usage. apple is up 36 cents.
 
Re: Re: New iPods, New Apple Music Service

Originally posted by jethroted
Are the files that we rip our selves going to have the Digital rights managment limits too, or is it going to apply to the music we get from the store only?
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yah this is something i would like to know. what happens if we rip them our selves. and what about our library. well this new itunes convert aour trackes so they all become restricted? or is it just acc files from the music store? please someone explain.

thank you:confused:
 
Parental Controls?

In the presentation, Jobs made a point of showing how some of Eminem's songs were automatically tagged in the iTunes store as "Adult Content". Does this mean there are parental controls built in, so that your child can't purchase those tracks?
 
Re: don't play it loud

Originally posted by tmsds
This music service is utterly useless unless you are about 45-years old with a taste in music as refined as a launch event that has Bono gapping about the "future of music". Give me a break - Jobs spent the last year wiping the BigFive's asses and didnt bother to get a single (even Semi-) Independent on board? Sting, Sheryl Crow, U2? An alternative section that feaures the Cranberries? Who is in charge over there? Ned Flanders?
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Absolutely!
The only reason I might be temptted to use Kzaa (of course, I never would...) is because I cant find a lot of the music I like (foreign, local bands from the 80s, small electro groups)anywhere else.

Gimme a break. He was bragging about 16 Bowie albums? I have more than that already. Am-zon has many times more than that.
 
Re: don't play it loud

Originally posted by tmsds
This music service is utterly useless unless you are about 45-years old with a taste in music as refined as a launch event that has Bono gapping about the "future of music". Give me a break - Jobs spent the last year wiping the BigFive's asses and didnt bother to get a single (even Semi-) Independent on board? Sting, Sheryl Crow, U2? An alternative section that feaures the Cranberries? Who is in charge over there? Ned Flanders?
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What a stupid statement...I know 5 peeps right now that range from the ages of 15-30, that WILL d/l and support this new venture...
 
SJ has been personally talking to record companies for 18 months but forgot to ask about the world outside the US??! huh?

The new stuff looks absolutely great but if Apple doesn't start thinking about people outside the US then SJ can sack my cook!
 
Originally posted by dobbin
SJ has been personally talking to record companies for 18 months but forgot to ask about the world outside the US??! huh?

The new stuff looks absolutely great but if Apple doesn't start thinking about people outside the US then SJ can sack my cook!
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The question here is a billing issue, not a geography issue. The same goes for long distance telephone, if you don't heve deals between the banks, it can't be done or it costs a fortune. It seems pretty clear that it will go world wide, but some infrastructure has to be built up, that infastructure already exists in the US.

As to the Music being to mainstream and for older people, that was probably a very thought out and intelligent move, at least at the start.

The main problem with music downloading is snooty little kids who think that they are owed something, mainly free music. In real life, you realize that its just stealing, its wrong, and you aren't owed crap.

It just tkes a little while to grow up and learn this. Now its easy and elegant to get the songs legally, adults will be more interested in doing it. True music snobs, myself included recognize that no source will have everything you want, you are going to have to seek out some stuff anyway. Kids are going to steal music untill the courts come through on these massive judgments the RIAA wants. Wrong or right, the government and the courts are in bed with big business, the Industry will most likely get its way.
 
i like the new ipods, i will finally get either 10G or the 15G. i dont like the restriction on the downloaded music though. it's my music, i paid for it, therefore i own it. who are they to tell me what i can or can't do with it.
 
Re: don't play it loud

Originally posted by tmsds
This music service is utterly useless unless you are about 45-years old with a taste in music as refined as a launch event that has Bono gapping about the "future of music". Give me a break - Jobs spent the last year wiping the BigFive's asses and didnt bother to get a single (even Semi-) Independent on board? Sting, Sheryl Crow, U2? An alternative section that feaures the Cranberries? Who is in charge over there? Ned Flanders?
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Give it time. Signing up all of the Big 5 was a prerequisite to making this service economically viable. I doubt Apple signed anything that actually prevented them from offering music from independent labels. Honestly, the Big 5 do not see independent labels as a threat, anymore than The Gap or Old Navy would see a small designer or boutique clothing store as a threat. Every industry goes through a predictable cycle of inception, then wild innovation, then consolidation. It's practically economic law at this point, and why should the Music industry be any different?

That being said, I assume Apple has huge economies of scale in terms of adding products to their store. I would think now that the store is built, it is to their advantage to increase their product selection as much as possible (provide the store is still easy to navigate). The more product selection, the more sales and therefore the more $$$ for Apple.
 
What's with the new BPM stuff?

First off, I'm upset too that I can't use the Music Store being in Canada.

I'm sure it's more of a licensing issue with the record companies than billing.

Anyhow, does the "BPM" feature work for any of you in iTunes?

You can now have smart playlists with BPM but I don't know how to get iTunes to measure the BPM of my songs.

Check out a smart playlist or add "BPM" to the columns in your library.

This doesn't seem like an advertised feature? Was this in iTunes 3? (I don't remember but I don' think so).

Zzargo
 
Re: don't play it loud

Originally posted by tmsds
This music service is utterly useless unless you are about 45-years old with a taste in music as refined as a launch event that has Bono gapping about the "future of music". Give me a break - Jobs spent the last year wiping the BigFive's asses and didnt bother to get a single (even Semi-) Independent on board? Sting, Sheryl Crow, U2? An alternative section that feaures the Cranberries? Who is in charge over there? Ned Flanders?
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i agree... although i do like some of this music, i do wish they had a bigger selection, and a more diverse selection. The first three bands i searched had no results come back. If im going to use this there needs to be a better selection. looks like its back to irc for me - atleast until there is a bigger selection. Although there is more selection on the apple music service then at the local music store.

and another thing, with all the new things advertised on the ipod page, how come none of the new features can be used on my old ipod? the only chaange i noticed is AAC support and a selection for the ipod... i thought those new games looked decent, and i wanted to try out the alarm clock.
 
Music Store: errors, errors, errors

After more than an hour, I've gotten nothing but errors (405s and 504's). I can't browse genres or preview any file that isn't one of the 3 U2 songs (but why would I want to?). I also have to agree that the front page for the service reflects pretty dismally old music tastes; I'm in my mid-30's and most of this stuff is the main fare of Lite Rock for the Middle Aged Middle Class (Sting, Cheryl Crow, Eric Clapton, U2) that I don't particularly want to belong to. This is an unimpressive start for Apple, which usually does remarkably well; this ought to work as seamlessly as iPhoto.
 
Great opportunity to make lots of money off me, failed due to bandwidth issues. I know Mac users all over are flocking to the store, but this is pathetic. I have been able to play one track and buy none after an hour of attempts.

WEAK, APPLE!

(btw - that doesn't stop me from bragging to my PC friends)

Dan
 
Re: Re: don't play it loud

Gimme a break. He was bragging about 16 Bowie albums? I have more than that already. Am-zon has many times more than that. [/B]
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Do you actually think the Music Industry powers are going to give rights to every song ever recorded to Apple for the Music Store?

Apple has to prove this will work and it CAN make money.

And to those who whine about the $.99 cost, there are very few albums (with exceptions of greatest hits/collections/etc) from ANY artist that I enjoy every song on the CD.

Imagine you like 4 of 12 songs and the CD is $12 in the stores. Download the 4 you like instantly and save $8. Sounds like a good deal to me.

*stroking chin* I wonder what the music labels cut of the $.99 is???
 
Re: Re: don't play it loud

Originally posted by JohnStrass
Absolutely!
The only reason I might be temptted to use Kzaa (of course, I never would...) is because I cant find a lot of the music I like (foreign, local bands from the 80s, small electro groups)anywhere else.
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Actually the reason I find Kazaa & co. useless for me is that rarely do I find anthing out of the mainstream. If you're looking for the latest Eminem or JLo, no prob. But for anything specialized, good luck finding anything. It's definitely not what Napster once was--you could find ANYTHING when it was 'legal' and everyone was on it.

The design of the service is fantastic; kudos to Apple for the implementation. But I'm disappointed by the catalogue. I haven't browsed it much but 200,000 songs doesn't seem that much. It has to do better than the local Tower.
 
Re: US only

Originally posted by jcaplan
Too bad for me....
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Yep, great idea but being US-only amazes me as I didn't think it was possible for something to both suck and blow at the same time (to quote Bart Simpson). Strangely enough there IS a world outside the borders of the USA and it's the part where we pay more for our macs to start with and get a crappier service. This is like the iPhoto stuff - how long has that been US only? Oh well, Limewire works (sort of) wherever you live...:mad:
The question here is a billing issue, not a geography issue. The same goes for long distance telephone, if you don't heve deals between the banks, it can't be done or it costs a fortune. It seems pretty clear that it will go world wide, but some infrastructure has to be built up, that infastructure already exists in the US.
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Yeah right, we're so backward we don't have credit cards over here we're still using sea shells and pebbles. I've used my UK Visa card to buy stuff from US-based firms with no problem at all. So that's a red herring. Now if you said it was the record companies being difficult then I'd believe you...
 
aac makes beeps

so, i was excited and ready to start ripping cd's. thought i'd check the 128vs.160 qualities, so i ripped them both. both had a beep, just about every 15 -20 seconds.

i ripped more tracks. more cd's. i rebooted. i tried just using quicktime. i rebooted again. i checked quicktime 6.2 is installed...

anything i encode with the aac codec has these little annoying beeps all through it. and they alternate in stereo from left to right. weird. mp3 is fine. aiff is fine. just aac.

anyone have this problem? i am so sad:(
 
Apple PDA

I imagine that I'll be uninterested in the music service till they get some industrial and punk (pre-1986 American Hardcore) stuff on their list.

I'm more interested in the new features on the iPod: note reader, games, and I'm told there is already a built in calender. Add a calculator and some text input and you'd have a reasonable PDA. The text input could be done the scroll button going though the alphabet and other characters and the center button for enter. Seems this would be about as fast as my struggle with text recognition on my PalmPDA. Looks like Apple may have released a PDA and just nobody noticed.
 
Originally posted by Athos
Only problem: I'm in Canada... when will I be able to buy from the music store :mad:
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Hopefully, right about the same time they get the Canadian rights holders to sign on for $1 CDN a song, instead of $1 US, which would be roughly what we pay now.
 
good idea, bad implementation

right about the time that people start ignoring the service, it will be available for the other 95% of computer users. :(

no more windows / mac version of the iPod is VERY good though. very good for warehouse / shipping / tracking needs.

the record still stands; every available online music service has huge problems.
 
seems pretty cool

$10 for a new album isn't bad - better than the 17-19 some record stores charge.

The cost of CDs would be a factor, but I have so many CDs I wanted to get an iPod anyway, so I don't see any need to burn them. So a flat $10 is not bad.

I wondered about double-albums. I did see several Pink Floyd albums are more than $10 and the song Echoes from Meddle (23 min ong) is not available for $.99, only if you buy the album - and the album is $11.99

I guess $10/album is not a flat fee - but the basic cost. :mad:

I would use this versus some p2p stealing, but I don't think it will put p2p out of "business"
 
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