This is just as lame as when apple charged to unlock your "n" on your wifi card.
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AMEN BROTHER !!!
I wish people with stupid ringtones would start on fire as their phone rings
To each it's own, I don't care for music ringtones either. Am I the only one that just wants simple, normal ringtones?
I like really quiet yet distinctive ringtones for the very few occasions my phone is not silent. a good jazz or avant-garde track often fits the bill.
Music isn't "free"
Because technically you don't really "own" it. You own the physical media (CD, tape, whatever) but you have a restricted license on the use of the content (i.e. the music).
Whether "fair use" covers the conversion to a ringtone is probably an untested legal question. In any case, I don't think Apple had much choice in this matter. The music companies would have been even more upset at Apple than they already are today if Apple had provided a simple means to convert songs to ringtones for free. And as for the $0.99 ringtone price on iTunes that was probably already part of Apple's long-term agreement with the record companies. Legally and contractually they were probably required to charge something for the ringtones and the $0.99 price is really quite competitive with other ringtone services.
And finally, Apple isn't exactly against earning a little extra cash from ringtones (granted) since they are in the business of making money. So, if you're really upset by this announcement on ringtones then by all means feel free to "blame" Apple too. I don't think I'm being a "fan-boy" here, just realistic.
Frankly, I think the ringtones, the Wi-Fi Music Store, and the Starbucks announcement are all pretty meaningless. I doubt they will have any long term impact on the industry.
Because technically you don't really "own" it. You own the physical media (CD, tape, whatever) but you have a restricted license on the use of the content (i.e. the music).
Whether "fair use" covers the conversion to a ringtone is probably an untested legal question. In any case, I don't think Apple had much choice in this matter. The music companies would have been even more upset at Apple than they already are today if Apple had provided a simple means to convert songs to ringtones for free. And as for the $0.99 ringtone price on iTunes that was probably already part of Apple's long-term agreement with the record companies. Legally and contractually they were probably required to charge something for the ringtones and the $0.99 price is really quite competitive with other ringtone services.
And finally, Apple isn't exactly against earning a little extra cash from ringtones (granted) since they are in the business of making money. So, if you're really upset by this announcement on ringtones then by all means feel free to "blame" Apple too. I don't think I'm being a "fan-boy" here, just realistic.
Frankly, I think the ringtones, the Wi-Fi Music Store, and the Starbucks announcement are all pretty meaningless. I doubt they will have any long term impact on the industry.
Wank wank wank... Grow up
Thank you for actually bringing some sense into this thread. It's amazing what people feel entitled to, with virtually nothing to base it on. The way people throw around the word "right," without an understanding of what it really means gets old pretty fast.
I'm pretty sure that fair use does not include ringtones. Not too long ago, the music industry went as far as saying that playing (purchased) music in your car with the windows down technically violated the license you bought with the music, but that they were choosing not to enforce their rights.
I should have a more definite answer for this tomorrow; my roommate is taking a Copyright in the Music Industry class, and they have a speaker from ASCAP coming tomorrow.
Thank you for actually bringing some sense into this thread. It's amazing what people feel entitled to, with virtually nothing to base it on. The way people throw around the word "right," without an understanding of what it really means gets old pretty fast.
I'm pretty sure that fair use does not include ringtones. Not too long ago, the music industry went as far as saying that playing (purchased) music in your car with the windows down technically violated the license you bought with the music, but that they were choosing not to enforce their rights.
I should have a more definite answer for this tomorrow; my roommate is taking a Copyright in the Music Industry class, and they have a speaker from ASCAP coming tomorrow.
The new product is nothing like the iPhone. It doesn't even have mail. Or a phone. So, it's basically an ipod with a web browser. Last time I checked I have mail, a phone, notes, stocks, maps, weather, and a camera. And edge capability that goes with the phone allowing me on the web almost anywhere. They're quite different products.
Oooo, there's an iPod update? What about the iPhone or iTunes? I thought Jobs said iTunes 8 would be released tonight. Not so much then eh? Hmmmm...
well???
yeah... it's like i *want* to keep myself awake endlessly pressing "check now" for the update...
yeah... it's like i *want* to keep myself awake endlessly pressing "check now" for the update...
WTF, I pay $0.99 for the song I should be able to make my own damn ringtone w/o paying for the song TWICE...BS. Whatever, not like I want an iPhone anyhow since it's on AT&T.
Because they want to. It is a multimillion dollar business for the cell phone companies and very successful at that. Why would anyone netflix or rent a movie when they can get it from the library for free? Ringtones (and ringbacks) are something a whole lot of people want and are willing to spend a lot more than $1.98 for. Just go to any of the hundreds of ringtone sites and see...why rate this negative if Apple is only giving people (millions of them based on existing sales of ringtones) what they want?
yeah, the ringtone thing is a rip off, but i dont think its a big deal. Just go to modmyiphone.com and figure out how to do it yourself. Its really easy
iToner is $15... works awesome, easy to use. You can't choose what part of the song you want to use, unless you go in to iTunes and tell it manually when to start (time in). But for $15, it is a beautiful app.
Here, here...
And ask him if you can play your CD's in a commercial or business environment and the answer will be a resonding NO! You have to pay a license fee to the recording company or artist (actually there is an association that monitors this). You cant even have the staff sing Happy Birthday in a Restuarant with out paying a royalty. That's why they don't do that anymore.
And ask him if you can play your CD's in a commercial or business environment and the answer will be a resonding NO! You have to pay a license fee to the recording company or artist (actually there is an association that monitors this). You cant even have the staff sing Happy Birthday in a Restuarant with out paying a royalty. That's why they don't do that anymore.
What's the big deal?
I was actually delighted to hear that Apple is releasing a new ringtone program. I don't know any of the ringtone-creating software and will probably only download a couple anyway. It's a nice solution for those of us who don't have the time or the know-how to create our own. It's pretty simple that if you don't like the new program then don't buy the ringtones. But at least there is the option to buy. Have some of you forgotten that one of the small gripes about the iPhone initially was the inability to download ringtones? Now there are a thousands and thousands to choose from.
I was actually delighted to hear that Apple is releasing a new ringtone program. I don't know any of the ringtone-creating software and will probably only download a couple anyway. It's a nice solution for those of us who don't have the time or the know-how to create our own. It's pretty simple that if you don't like the new program then don't buy the ringtones. But at least there is the option to buy. Have some of you forgotten that one of the small gripes about the iPhone initially was the inability to download ringtones? Now there are a thousands and thousands to choose from.
It's still before 10PM PT (1AM Eastern) so I suspect that the iTunes engineers and website administrators are working late to get things going. I have a feeling that today's announcements were rather rushed and it doesn't help that Steve Jobs is so paranoid about product leaks that most of the company (I mean Apple) probably didn't know before today what was actually going to be announced.
I'm expecting that we'll see something tomorrow afternoon or no later than Friday since the latter is when the new iPods are supposed to start showing up at the stores. Thus Friday would kind of be a "drop dead" date for all those at Apple who fear Steve (and that would be, I guess, everyone).
My guess is that Apple will make iTunes 7.4 available tomorrow along with an update to the iPhone that will give the iPhone functionality similiar to the iPod touch.
You can create small MIDI files in Babya Logic and use iToner and iTunes to convert to iPhone suitable format.
First the lies about iPhone being based on OSX, an outrageous and unprecedented price drop, now the lies about iTunes being released tonight. What's next, Leopard delayed again?
Dont flame back please, I'm being sarchastic. Although I do feel the events in the last 6mo Apple have shaken my 20yr loyalty to the ground, and caused me to re-think my perception of the company I grew up with.
Maybe it's just me growing up. I used to think Apple was different.
Dont flame back please, I'm being sarchastic. Although I do feel the events in the last 6mo Apple have shaken my 20yr loyalty to the ground, and caused me to re-think my perception of the company I grew up with.
Maybe it's just me growing up. I used to think Apple was different.
Ok, I get it. It's not Apple's fault, it's the record companies'. So here's my diatribe to them...
Dear Record Company Executive:
I can already listen to a 30 second snippet of all of your songs as many times as I like... on the ITMS! And with the new updates, I can do this from my phone/iPod Touch! So I'm standing in line at the grocery store and my phone rings. The dude behind me hears my 30 second snippet of some over-hyped, underpaid artist of yours and thinks, "That is a cool song, I'm gonna run home and buy that.". But instead, you're going to make me pay 99 cents for the right to walk around and advertise your music? Eat me. You should pay ME every time my phone rings you selfish pigs.
With Love,
Sean
Dear Record Company Executive:
I can already listen to a 30 second snippet of all of your songs as many times as I like... on the ITMS! And with the new updates, I can do this from my phone/iPod Touch! So I'm standing in line at the grocery store and my phone rings. The dude behind me hears my 30 second snippet of some over-hyped, underpaid artist of yours and thinks, "That is a cool song, I'm gonna run home and buy that.". But instead, you're going to make me pay 99 cents for the right to walk around and advertise your music? Eat me. You should pay ME every time my phone rings you selfish pigs.
With Love,
Sean
