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Cleverboy said:
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Other than that, I'll be glad when the short-sighted folks that a.) don't know why it wasn't Apple's decision to charge for ringtones [...]

~ CB
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I don't care at all if it was their decision or not to charge for ringtones, but it WAS their decision to cripple the iPhone so as to not allow playback of the user's files AS ringtones. The fact that I can play any MP3 or [unprotected] AAC on my current phone has nothing to do with whether ringtones are on sale anywhere.

What is short-sighted, IMHO, is to accept such flagrant greed without protest, whether it's from Apple, AT&T, the music companies or all three. Because that tells them we are all willing to take it.
 
Exactly what are one paying for? Except the vendor lockin? Apples is so retarded, and everyone who actually buys this **** are aswell.

You already OWN THE ******* SONG, you should just be able to put it there.
Hate iPods, drm, macs, itunes, istore and whatever.
 
I have a feeling that if Steve Jobs could have offered this service for free he would have, but the music companies probably tied his hands. Evidence of this is that not all of the music on iTunes will even be ringtonable. Jobs is probably in a constant struggle with the blood sucking music companies.
 
mcs37 said:
Why do I have to pay an extra $0.99 to make a ringtone out of a song I already own?
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...'cause the cellular network, content providers and Apple (why should Apple leave money on the table) want to make money off of folks desire to have custom ring tones (it is a scarily large market).

This is a feature I likely wont use because I see no need to pay for the privilege but folks should recall that Apple's solution is far better of a deal then you get with any other vendor provided solution for ring tones.
 
apple now nickel and diming us to death?

i said that when they charged for 'enabling' wireless N. and i say it again now. apple, just because you can make money charging for b.s. like this doesnt mean you should. i see dark clouds on my iphone sky.... extra charges when voice dialling (finally) comes around for the iphone...a special button appearing when you enter a mcdonals wifi zone ("try our new organic fruit salad")...

..but maybe i am just having a bad dream....
 
iToner

I used iToner today and not only did it work just great, it worked with a protected iTunes file!
 
If I was going to pay an extra buck I would expect to be able to do it now and with what ever song I want. I was getting excited about this leading up to the event, but once I got a chance to read about everything I am rather disappointed in the ringtone feature, really it seems to have been a waste of time waiting for this.


*starts up iToner*
 
Prediction here....


iTunes 8 and Quicktime 8 combined into one application in Leopard.
 
irun5k said:
What if it is content that I own the copyright too? My own content?
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Publish a 30 second version of your song?

My iTunes is version 7.3.2, and did not see a reference to what version it will become when released.

As for "turning it on" in a week, iPod Nanos will not be available in the wild until "next weekend", the first potential device to use it. iPhones need a software update to use it which has not been released and won't for a week or so, and iPod touch'es will not arrive until late September.

So really the timing makes sense for bug correction and post-announce feedback by trusted users before deployment "goes live".

Rocketman
 
I like ringtones that have only instrumental sections of songs, but some songs don't have 30 seconds between the vocals. So I want Apple to make versions of every song in the iTunes Store with the voice tracks removed. And, while they are at it, they should put markers in every position where you might loop the track (i.e., between beats or measures) and have the sliders snap to those markers when you are picking the selection for a ringtone.

Those features would definitely make my purchases worth the money!
 
I don't understand. How can they applause in the keynotes when Jobs announced it is $0.99? Guess they are apple employees. I felt so bad about this.

Anyway, I understand the music industry won't allow people to do it for free. Still, 0.99 is too much, 0.19 sounds more reasonable.

Now hackers start!
 
MacGirl1985 said:
That is the price of being an Early Adopter, folks! :cool:
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phytonix said:
Anyway, I understand the music industry won't allow people to do it for free. Still, 0.99 is too much, 0.19 sounds more reasonable.
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Putting two and two together, we can see the pattern: Apple will charge 99 cents until all the early adopters buy their ringtones. Then they'll drop the price!
 
scrambledwonder said:
Okay. Am I the only person on the planet who doesn't want to hear, like, three seconds of some song when somebody calls me? I just want the damn phone to ring. Just ring. No songs. If I want to listen to music, I'll use headphones or speakers.

And am I the only person on the planet who glares at people who have stupid song ring tones? Like their phone goes "UHHHHHHH, Naa naaa naa naaa!" when it rings, or "Welcome to the jungle!" or something and I think, feck, what are you, 13?
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I thought the same way until I tried it with some music I liked. It really depends on the song. Arena rock like "Welcome to the Jungle" is a little tacky, but the old time ringer sound is hideous. I am around a teaching hospital all day long, I've gotten used to loud beepers, but can't stand the "standard" cellphone rings.

Some nice songs I've found for ring tones:

"Organ Donor" by DJ Shadow off of the Endtroducing album.
- use the first 20 seconds going from quiet to loud, with vibration

"String Quartet in F, Mvt 2" by Maurice Ravel (most professional recordings)
- use the opening pizzicato for a subtle ringtone, with vibration

"The Saint" by Orbital off of the In Sides Bonus album
- the opening call is an attention getter

One of the more unique ringtones I've heard is a cat meowing. Its not incessant meowing, it is quiet but audible. And no one suspects that there is a phone ringing.


Regardless, the blanket "stupid song ringtones" comment is a little harsh.
 
Porco said:
I don't think you really understood my term, "out of the box", by which I mean, without recourse to 3rd party apps, hacks, etc.
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I'll spot you that. With my RAZR, all I did was pair it to my MacBook and sent the files over. So yes, having to buy (even very inexpensive) software to do the same with the iPhone is unfortunate.

It's not just the issue itself, it's the philosophical attitude it represents (i.e. 'let's squeeze more money out of the less tech-savvy consumer because we can by crippling the phone). I find it ethically horrible, it's basically a tax on the technologically less educated. I realize full well there are ways round it, there just shouldn't be anything to get round in the first place, that's my point.
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Fair enough and I agree with you philosophically. :)
 
craigatkinson said:
I have a feeling that if Steve Jobs could have offered this service for free he would have, but the music companies probably tied his hands. Evidence of this is that not all of the music on iTunes will even be ringtonable. Jobs is probably in a constant struggle with the blood sucking music companies.
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That's kind of what I was thinking, too.

If this is Apple's profit for each song sold on iTunes, perhaps they are looking at ringtones as more profit? Hopefully they make more than 10c per ringtone...

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The price of cool

Doctor Q said:
Putting two and two together, we can see the pattern: Apple will charge 99 cents until all the early adopters buy their ringtones. Then they'll drop the price!
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Sorry, I was referring to the people who are complaining that the iphone price dropped $200. Isn't the premium worth being the coolest one in the office?

For some, their vice is designer clothes. for me, it's wine. for others, it is technology. How many of these people complaining about the iphone price happily upgrade to buy the lastest xbox or wii?

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Now for the discussion regarding .99 cents to make songs into ringtones... Time is money, so if you got the time, you can save the dough. For me, I'm too distracted to mess with it...so I will forgo 1/3 of a Latte and spring for the ringtone, if Santa brings me a shiny new iPhone.

And yes, I, too, am a fan of 'no songs'. It sounds quite unprofessional in an office setting. I've been trying for years to find an authentic "24 CTU" ring.
Distinct, yet subtle. Less is more.
 
I just tried out itoner...works PERFECT. screw apple's bs.

What program do you guys recommend for editing songs? I just want a certain part of the song, 21 seconds...I am familiar with programs in Windows that does this, but I am still a lil new to the mac side of things...:)
 
It scares me to think that Apple could be headed down the same path as Microsoft and not care about customer satisfaction anymore they just care about making every little nickle and dime off of their customers. I haven't ever been disgusted with Apple until today.
 
What I said last week

Okay, for the record here is what I said LAST week about the possibility of iTunes ringtones:

Title: Ringtones are a billion dollar business

I doubt that Apple will simply "throw the door open" and offer free
ringtone conversions for the iPhone. The ringtone business is worth
billions of dollars and the record labels are highly unlikely to
allow Apple to bundle ringtone conversions at the standard $0.99 song
price. Even less likely is the possibility that they will allow you
to convert songs that you've ripped from CDs.

I suspect that they will allow upgrades like they do with iTunes Plus
and for a limited amount of time you'll be able to download a
ringtone version of any song that you've previously purchased for a
relatively small fee. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if it were
something like $0.99 for each upgrade and $1.98 for any future
purchases of the full-length song plus ringtone.

As for the Beatles, I kind of doubt it. Eventually it will happen but
I don't think it will be next week.
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and the link: https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/4109439/
 
sixth said:
I just tried out itoner...works PERFECT. screw apple's bs.

What program do you guys recommend for editing songs? I just want a certain part of the song, 21 seconds...I am familiar with programs in Windows that does this, but I am still a lil new to the mac side of things...:)
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I'd suggest iTunes (since it will let you pick up to a 30 second clip anywhere in a song and add fades to it), but since you're not having any of what they're serving today, ... :D

dubels said:
It scares me to think that Apple could be headed down the same path as Microsoft and not care about customer satisfaction anymore they just care about making every little nickle and dime off of their customers. I haven't ever been disgusted with Apple until today.
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Customer satisfaction? Look above for the typical problems people face making their own ringtones. For the majority of the world that buys ringtones, do any other phone manufacturer give you a tool like iTunes to make a ringtone out of the part of the song YOU get to select? Does Microsoft have a tool for making a ringtone for Windows Mobile phones? No. They expect you to figure out how to create a custom MP3 and manually copy it over to some obscure folder on your WM device using ActiveSync. Tell me the regular person on the street is going to bother with that.

If you wouldn't pay $2.50 to Sprint or Verizon to download a ringtone, then don't. If you wouldn't pay $1.98 to Apple to create a ringtone, then don't. But why the uproar for Apple to take a business model (ringtones) and make it easier and cheaper for the consumer that pays for ringtones to make a more personable product.

And for the rest of the world there's iToner or copying the files over manually.
 
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