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No money going to the artists...
Correction, I don't know if this is common knowledge or not, but no ringtone requires rights from the music industry as they are 30 seconds or less in length. That is why you get to "preview" songs without buying them for 30 seconds. Apple doesn't pay a penny to the artists or to the music industry for this... it is, as the saying goes, all gravy!
Correction, I don't know if this is common knowledge or not, but no ringtone requires rights from the music industry as they are 30 seconds or less in length. That is why you get to "preview" songs without buying them for 30 seconds. Apple doesn't pay a penny to the artists or to the music industry for this... it is, as the saying goes, all gravy!
so .. if itune adds fade-in and out automatically, then the ring tone on a loop won't sound very nice would they? .. (fade-in)ting aling ling ling (fade-out)(fade-in) ting aling ling ling (fade out) ...
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and all this for a 99c!? HAHA ..
* you own the device and you can't unlock it
* you have the song (legally bought with real money, the whole works) but you can't use it as you wish without paying even more real money.. e.g make a ring tone out of it!
^ recipe for disaster? ... maybe
on a serious note, this ring tone system is just ridiculous!, Apple + AT&T + music labels sure are milking iPhoners for all they are worth and more! .. if you can afford a $599 dud then you can afford $1 ring tone .. fair enough!
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and all this for a 99c!? HAHA ..
* you own the device and you can't unlock it
* you have the song (legally bought with real money, the whole works) but you can't use it as you wish without paying even more real money.. e.g make a ring tone out of it!
^ recipe for disaster? ... maybe
on a serious note, this ring tone system is just ridiculous!, Apple + AT&T + music labels sure are milking iPhoners for all they are worth and more! .. if you can afford a $599 dud then you can afford $1 ring tone .. fair enough!
You still don't get it. I'm actually not even defending it, I'm just explaining that it's not apple to blame, it's the record companies. It's out of apple's hands.
If apple allowed using any audio file for a ringtone, not only would it allow your own recordings, but it would allow any song ripped from a CD. I don't think a method exists to allow original content but not copyrighted material, it just isn't technically possible. Do you know of a way for software to tell the difference between a file you created from scratch and one you ripped from CD? The record companies don't want to lose that revenue, so their contracts say that apple can't allow "free" ringtones. If Apple wants content from the record labels for their stores, they have to abide by the contracts negotiated by the record labels or stop selling the content.
Major label X insists on an extra fee for ringtones, and that apple not allow unprotected files as ringtones or else they'll pull their songs from the iTunes store completely.
Are you seriously arguing that Apple should have insisted on "open" ringtones even if it meant ending contracts with most if not all of the major labels and losing a huge amount of content from iTunes?
Wrong. You really think the record labels would be fine with that, losing that huge revenue stream? It IS tricky if the record labels made locking that feature out a condition in their contract. And chances are extremely high they did.
Exactly. Finally someone who gets it.
I know you were being sarcastic...but what does this refer to? Doesn't it run an OS based on OSX?
This brings up a good point. Does Apple have to get permission to use a <30 second clip of music for a preview? I was under the impression that clips 30 seconds or less fall under fair use. Someone here should know more.
The way I see it if iPhone users have to pay to listen to a <30 second clip of a song so should everyone else that uses the preview feature on iTunes.
You're completely wrong, just google it and you'll find a ton of sources. The record industry makes tons of money on ringtones over 6 BILLION dollars last year, billboard magazine even has a ringtone chart. And the labels do typically share revenues with the publisher (often the songwriter) although that may not be the artist if they didn't write the song.
Nope, fair use doesn't make any mention of specific times, although generally shorter clips are more likely to be fair use.
Previews aren't comparable to ringtones since they can only be heard in the app and can't be downloaded to a device or listened to elsewhere. And the main fair use argument (if one is needed, the record companies probably consent to preview use) is that they are used to help sales, not substitute for them.
what's next.....!
whem you buy a toyota, you can only fill up at texaco since they have an exclusice 5 year agreement. buying a ford? then you can only gas up at exxon because they subsidized your car cd system...
does everybody see how rediculous this sounds? yet our 'lawmakers' let the phone companies get away with this nonsense....
whem you buy a toyota, you can only fill up at texaco since they have an exclusice 5 year agreement. buying a ford? then you can only gas up at exxon because they subsidized your car cd system...
does everybody see how rediculous this sounds? yet our 'lawmakers' let the phone companies get away with this nonsense....
Okay, cool. That makes sense. Oh well. I may wait to see how Apple is going to handle those of us who ripped songs from CD and want to use a part of one of those songs. I rather hope they wont make us pay 1.98 for both the whole song (that we already own) and the ringtone.
It is completely legal, has nothing to do with lawmakers. The CONSUMERS let them get away with this by spending billions a year on ringtones at prices that are usually even higher than apple's.
They started doing it, and consumers bought into it, big time. It's not going to go away until consumers stop buying ringtones, and that's probably not going to happen anytime soon.
And by the way, your car analogy is garbage.
No. The song and the ringtone are sold independently. 99 cents for the ringtone alone. You don't have to buy the song.
You CAN already do this for free. The $0.99 price is a tax on lazy people who can't be bothered the do the conversion themselves.
OK, moving off subject a little.
I have an Iphone, and have downloaded 7.4. When will I be able to see any of this new functionality on my I phone? Will I be able to get ringtones next week when they turn it on , or will I have to wait for the Iphone software update later this month?
I have an Iphone, and have downloaded 7.4. When will I be able to see any of this new functionality on my I phone? Will I be able to get ringtones next week when they turn it on , or will I have to wait for the Iphone software update later this month?
From my understanding ringtones next week wont require a software update of the iPhone.
All this fancy features and still no browsing by composer, neither in iTunes nor in the Musixtore. I can't believe how they can ignore classical music like this. Guess they don't really like music at Apple
I've mumbled to myself more than once, "does ANYONE at Apple listen to classical music?" Answer? Probably no one remotely associated with iTunes. Would it kill them to add conductor, orchestra, ensamble tags? I reported this exact problem almost 2 years ago, dev connection replied with the standard "already reported."
An addition to my rant, they could also add sub genres, which would be benefit every kind of listener. Supposed to be supported by gracenote's DB (CDDB). but iTunes doesn't care. (Same response from Apple when I submitted this request.)
From the explaination of an individual earlier, it looks like the new iTunes ringtone maker interface is a gui way of: adding start and stop points, creating the actual file, and putting it in the ringtones folder on your iPhone. Everything but the last part (putting ringtone in ringtone folder) can be done with iTunes now. So the last question is will we be able to drag and drop our own ringtones into the folder.
Agh. Yes, I DO get it, I think it's wrong! Can we stop with all the patronising 'you disagree with me therefore I know better' stuff please?
I simply don't believe that Apple adopting an open position on ringtones other than those supplied by the iTunes store would have ended their contracts at all. If they want to do exactly what they've done that's up to them, just don't cripple the phone to not use user's own files. If not crippling the phone had meant the music labels not wanting to participate in a ringtones for sale scheme, I think Apple should have just told them 'fine, users will do it for free anyway, you'll get nothing'. I'm sure they would prefer to sell some (much as I despise the non-original ringtone industry but anyway...) than leave it completely open as the only option. That would have hurt the music companies more than Apple, and I believe Apple would be taking care of its customers far better that way, which in the end is a much better route to profit than by artificially crippling their products.
If it WAS a contract-threatening problem, the plain old-fashioned iPod as is would already have stopped the iTunes Store from happening in the first place, because that plays tracks not bought from the Store!
itunes does this for free
I am surprised I haven't seen anyone in this thread point out that iTunes will let you create a 30 second snippet from any song you have in your library right now for free. I use it to make 30 second ringtones for my sony ericson.
I'm at work and don't have iTunes here so I can't see the settings but if you go into the info/properties of the song you want a ringtone, you can change the start and stop time that is played. Then simply click on, I think, song>then import... something like that. And the 30 song is automatically added to your library as a 30 second file. The original is untouched as well. Just remember to go into the original and change the start and stop times back to normal. voila.
I am surprised I haven't seen anyone in this thread point out that iTunes will let you create a 30 second snippet from any song you have in your library right now for free. I use it to make 30 second ringtones for my sony ericson.
I'm at work and don't have iTunes here so I can't see the settings but if you go into the info/properties of the song you want a ringtone, you can change the start and stop time that is played. Then simply click on, I think, song>then import... something like that. And the 30 song is automatically added to your library as a 30 second file. The original is untouched as well. Just remember to go into the original and change the start and stop times back to normal. voila.
But you cant sync it to you iphone under ringtones without modding/hacking the iphone.