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omatic

macrumors newbie
Sep 28, 2007
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Who cares about some dumb visualizers? When am I going to hear more about resolution independence, that which was such a popular topic months ago and still is one of the big deal-breakers for me when thinking about Leopard?
 

Benjamindaines

macrumors 68030
Mar 24, 2005
2,841
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A religiously oppressed state
Okay, you sound like more like a PC user because that's the type of defensive answer a PC user would give. If you were a true Mac user (and I don't mean using a Mac to run Windows and occasionally playing around with OS X) you would understand.
Leopard will be big and with marketshare for the Mac being small how do you expect Apple to get Windows users to switch if Apple gives all their proprietary software to Windows with the exact same features as the Mac and expect people to look the Mac way, it just doesn't happen.

I have co-workers tell me all the time, "I would have switched to the Mac but now Apple has given us some of their software I don't need to".

One of the reasons we are still sorta tethered to Windows is because Microsoft has dominated and dumbed down the Mac software making it useless for Mac users.
It would be a great business practice for Apple's iTunes, Quicktime and Safari to have Mac only features.

So as soon as I take a position that defends reasonable development decisions I become a PC user? Hmm... Alright. Honestly, who do you know (and I don't mean someone might) that would switch to a Mac because iTunes has a few extra features? People should be switching because the Mac has much higher quality hardware and the software actually works the way it's intended to. Not because Z0MG ITUNEZ HAS N3W F3ATURES!!!11!1!1
 
No, really, does anybody even use these 'visualizers?'

Nope, not at all. When I run iTunes, it's in the background while I'm actually *doing something* with my computer, such as, oh I dunno, email, messaging, connecting something to my USB bus, surfing the web, working on my multi-volume writing project, editing images in Photoshop, or otherwise striving to actually be productive.

I'm not sure -- and I've never really been -- what place or role visualizers have in my life.
 

bretm

macrumors 68000
Apr 12, 2002
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My 5mo old loves the visualizer

I have a 5month old baby boy that loves watching the visualizer. He just sits and stares. He'll be excited about this announcement, although he'll be 6 months old when it comes out. Sad he has to wait 1/5th of his lifetime for it's release.
 

bretm

macrumors 68000
Apr 12, 2002
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Who cares about some dumb visualizers? When am I going to hear more about resolution independence, that which was such a popular topic months ago and still is one of the big deal-breakers for me when thinking about Leopard?

I believe that was probably actually for the iphone. It's whole zoom interface is pretty much based on that.
 

samh004

macrumors 68020
Mar 1, 2004
2,222
141
Australia
The default visualizer that comes with the current/recent version(s) of iTunes is horrible. It may have been cool in 1996, but...

For a really cool music visualizer, try the one that comes with the Xbox 360. Even the one that came with the original Playstation was more interesting than Apple's. And both the gaming consoles let you tweak it as it was playing. Why doesn't Apple have something like that?

You can't change it because Apple thinks they know best when it comes to the look and feel of your computer. Letting you change the settings too much might make your computer look bad to someone and thus them lose a potential sale.

I say again, your merely looking after your Apple purchase, enticing other would-be buyers to get one, you don't own it!! :p
 

aristotle

macrumors 68000
Mar 13, 2007
1,768
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Canada
With Microsoft it's completely reversed, their Mac market share is so low compared to their PC market share, they don't want to put all the effort into developing Mac software. Look what happened in the case of Media Player, as soon as someone made something that did the same thing, MS dropped Media Player and officially supported Flip4Mac.

I still fail to see any reason Apple should make Mac-Only features in iTunes, they have enough Mac-Only stuff with iLife.
I'm sorry but Flip4mac is no substitute for real first party support. It does not support DRM and is still slow compared to native Quicktime codecs or Windows media player on windows using the same hardware especially when playing back 1080p content. I ended up purchasing the commercial version of Flip4mac so that I could export the WMV files as native AVC .mov or .mp4 files.

MSFT has also stripped out support for VB macros in of Office for Mac 2008 which leaves people having to depend on either VMWare or Neo Office for Office 2007 compatibility and vb macro support.

I don't think you are aware of how iLife and iTunes for OS X are intertwined. You can use DRM'd purchased songs in iLife applications but there is no facility to use DRM'd songs in any windows applications.

I don't have a problem with Apple favouring the Apple version a bit especially if adding certain features to the windows version were cost prohibitive to support.
 

HLdan

macrumors 603
Aug 22, 2007
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Honestly, who do you know (and I don't mean someone might) that would switch to a Mac because iTunes has a few extra features? People should be switching because the Mac has much higher quality hardware and the software actually works the way it's intended to. Not because Z0MG ITUNEZ HAS N3W F3ATURES!!!11!1!1

Um Yeah! Ya know why? Microsoft makes Entourage for the Mac and Outlook on Windows. Why Entourage on Mac? It's their way of making it look like the Mac gets an exclusive version of Outlook when it's just a dumbed down version and is not good for corporate use. Just another way to give Windows the upper hand and keep people from switching.
It's a good business practice for Apple having the iLife Suite. It would be a very big mistake for them to release that on Windows and it will never happen. All of Apple's software especially the ones shared on the Windows platform should definitely favor the Mac in features, it's Apple's computer, OS and software. I'm not sure why you would find that ridiculous?

People stay on Windows because they tend to be forced to because of one or two features on certain software that the Mac equivalents don't offer. Inuit's Quicken is a big example.

Yes, exclusive Mac only features in iTunes can make people switch especially since the Windows version sucks so much.
 

krgermane

macrumors newbie
Jun 23, 2003
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I don't usually post but I have to comment on what the visualizer is for. An iMac with iTunes and an Airport Express is the ideal party jukebox, isn't it?
 

Poll Smoker

macrumors 6502a
Jul 20, 2007
684
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This is the feature that makes me buy Leopoard:D:D:D

The Specialist:apple:

Thanks for putting your screen name at the bottom of your post. I suffer from a spinal affliction that prevents me from turning my head slightly to the left, not allowing me to see the name of the member that made the post.
 

TurboSC

macrumors 65816
Aug 4, 2007
1,361
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California
lol slow news day indeed.

I dunno I think they could develop something way beyond what visualizers are with the kind of hardware everyone's rocking these days...

oh well, they're still nice and subtle, very soothing
 

Arcady

macrumors 6502
May 24, 2002
402
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Lexington, KY
People stay on Windows because they tend to be forced to because of one or two features on certain software that the Mac equivalents don't offer.

I thought I had convinced one of our office groups to switch over to the Mac. They were all ready to make the jump, until they found out that Office on the Mac does not have Access. That alone was a deal-breaker for them.

I guess I will continue making trips over there to remove viruses and such...
 

pooryou

macrumors 65816
Sep 28, 2007
1,329
63
NorCal
The default visualizer that comes with the current/recent version(s) of iTunes is horrible. It may have been cool in 1996, but...

For a really cool music visualizer, try the one that comes with the Xbox 360. Even the one that came with the original Playstation was more interesting than Apple's. And both the gaming consoles let you tweak it as it was playing. Why doesn't Apple have something like that?


Actually the visualizer that comes with the Xbox 360 SUCKS! Which is really disappointing because it had a lot of promise, and was developed by classic game designer Jeff Minter. But he must be colorblind or something because it looks like a little kid that mixed all his fingerpaints together. Extremely ugly, there is no sense of color palettes at all, it just randomly cycles through all the colors in a highly unappealing way. I would say the iTunes visualizer actually blows it away (unfortunately, because it shouldn't). The iTunes visualizer is based on an old verison of G-Force, and it actually does have realtime controls. Not the same as the Xbox one, but you can change things while it's running from the keyboard.

G-Force blows them all away and is truly excellent, and it runs perfectly in iTunes. And for people who don't know what visualizers are good for, try putting G-Force on your plasma screen while your kicking some tunes at a party and your friends will love it. Unless you have boring friends that is ;)
 

pooryou

macrumors 65816
Sep 28, 2007
1,329
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NorCal
You can't change it because Apple thinks they know best when it comes to the look and feel of your computer. Letting you change the settings too much might make your computer look bad to someone and thus them lose a potential sale.

You can change it. And you can install a whole new visualizer. It's a supported API and there are controls right in iTunes to choose which visualizer you want to use....
 

MacFly123

macrumors 68020
Dec 25, 2006
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Nope!

No, really, does anybody even use these 'visualizers?'

NOPE! I have NEVER used them lol. I guess DJs might use them for parties. That's the only thing I can think of unless you are enjoying them while you are on drugs. :p
 
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