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Did that $119 include internet service?

No, that was for the service and equipment rental. I watch a lot of college basketball on CBS Sports, so I had to get one of the more expensive channel packages to get that channel. It is included in my YouTubeTV, along with ESPN and Fox Sports so I am very happy with the channel lineup. The only channel that I miss is the History channel, but not enough to keep paying that much to DirecTV.
 
I would never watch the vast majority of channels included in these packages. Which is why I dropped cable, and only have Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, and the CBS app. I'm pretty happy with just those. And, I can't stand to watch live tv because of all the ads. (I don't watch sports)
I think live tv needs to go back to the way it used to be. Free, with commercials. Or paid, with very limited or no commercials.
But, the networks want to have their cake, and eat it, too. o_O
 
What's with calling it "over-the-top live television"? I feel like you're combining OTA (Over The Air) and STB (Set Top Box) but since "over the top" is already an expression that means something completely different I say just call it Internet Live Television, or Streaming Live Television or something. Dumb thing to complain about I know, but still that was weird to read.

That’s what it’s called. Over the top - you’re going over an incumbent provider to get the same services delivered on the Internet. Think of it like checkers I guess, you hopped over them to get to what you wanted directly.

It actually started with VOIP providers going over the top of telcos.
 
Minus profiles and stick/box apps
That's a huge Minus - you're talking about even the base service level of TV with an ISP being restricted to either their hardware or personal mobile hardware (likely restricted from casting/airplay to a TV). It is cheaper to get a few $15 sticks and get base Vue than basic cable TV and renting cable boxes. It's no different than renting a modem from Comcast when you could save money with your own Modem/Router with better features use it for any compatible service. When I can buy my own 'cable box' and use any cable service on it, including Xfinity/Comcast, and get the same features without a contract, then I'd consider subscribing.

I have 6 TVs, plus an iMac with a projector, and it has been more flexible and less expensive to use Vue on all of those than Comcast ever was.
And everyone is able to use their own device / set-top / stick to watch their own profile from any of those connected devices. Or leave the house and access the same content. And since most of those streaming services are compatible with Single-Sign-On with tvOS and iOS, you gain the same smart-device features as any other legacy TV service (like access to TV Everywhere apps). And no hardware fees.
 
The point is you CAN save money if you do it right.

But the thing that attracts me most to these services is I can turn them on or off, or change providers anytime i want to.

For instance, I can fully cut the cord over the summer when i never watch live TV, and then sign back up in the Fall when I want to watch college football.
 
Any negatives to PlayStation cue?

I agree that- IMO- it's the best of this kind of service available. I almost went with it myself. These are the negatives that moved me to go another way:
  • No 5.1 surround sound audio (this is not just a PS Vue issue, but pretty much ALL of these services are stereo or mono at best) Home theater-minded people have had 5.1 surround setups since way back in the 1990s. Especially sports and movies seem much better with it. You won't get it from these kinds of services- just fake surround at best.
  • Virtual (or cloud) DVR is not as full-featured as the hardware DVR to which you are probably accustomed. Look into what these kinds of service's DVRs can and can't do rather than take for granted that something called a DVR here is the same as the hardware DVR you know. It's not.
  • Eye of the beholder, but some popular channels are missing (in any of these services). Be sure it has the channels you desire before you buy.
  • Local channels. Be sure you get your local channels where you are. Lots of these services don't deliver the locals. They might deliver some programming from the major networks but that's different than getting ALL of the programming on the local channels, including local news, local sports, etc. If you are a sports fan, check for your regional sports channel too (missing from many of these).
  • When broadband is down, you have NO television service and no DVR access. Your "the cloud" is completely inaccessible.
  • Dropping cable TV but keeping cable broadband meant higher bill for broadband. And broadband is capped too (so use this service a lot and potentially run into the cap).
A great alternative if you are willing to pull it all together:
  • HDHomeRun boxes from Silicon Dust. These are boxes you can plug into your home network and stream either OTA (local) channels and/or cable to any :apple:TVs and now Amazon Fire in the home. I picked up both their Prime box (for Comcast cable programming) and their Extends (for OTA local channels & subchannels)
  • The $25 Channels App. Most people look right over it because they can't imagine paying $25 for an :apple:TV app but it brings ALL of the programming from those HDHomeRun boxes together in an attractive (cable TV-like) UNIFIED, on-screen guide, merging OTA locals with Cable channels. This app allows you to put your channels in any order, set up a FAV channel list, hide any channels you don't want, etc.
  • The $8/month Channels App DVR- a full-featured, traditional hardware-like DVR that brings all of those key features NOT available on virtual DVRs to any TV in the house. Your DVR capacity is then NOT limited to ANY size- just add hard drives- and the recorded programming is accessible on ANY TV or computer or mobile device.
A few other key benefits:
  • HD video with 5.1 Surround Sound- home theater is still a home theater. Discrete sound instead of fake surround is coming out of the correct speakers. Video generally won't hiccup.
  • Not one byte burned against the broadband cap.
  • No cable lease box rentals (which is where a LOT of the cord cutting cost pain is most prevalent)
  • A "real" DVR without limitations like having to watch recordings within X amount of days, not being able to skip commercials, etc. All the videos are accessible, not in some proprietary format (they can even be run through HB if desired). No waiting a few hours or a few days to be able to watch something- I can start watching any recording immediately.
  • Mobile devices and computers are fully supported too.
  • I still have "triple play" pricing (minus leased boxes) so it's overall cheaper
  • I have ALL of the channels I want rather than compromising by doing without some favorites.
  • The setup is traditional & simple, rather than having to lean on hopping app to app and/or box to box. Less tech savvy people in the household don't need a seminar to learn where they can find their favored programming or use this box/app for this show and this box/app for that show and switch to this input for this show but this input for that show, etc. :rolleyes:
  • Hiding all of the bundled channels I never want to watch is easy, leaving me with a nice clean guide of only the desired channels I would buy if the al-a-carte (let me pick only the channels I want) dream existed now. I've put them in my desired order too (including bundling together select locals and cable channels as applicable), rather than getting them in some default order.
  • When broadband is down, I still have up to all of the channels and access to ALL of the DVR recordings. If broadband is down such that it takes cable with it, I still have ALL of the local OTA channels + DVR recordings.
  • I can feed any number of TVs in the house without adding a lease box to every one (or any) of them (they will need an :apple:TV or Amazon Fire stick though).
  • Since I still have a cable subscription, apps dependent on a cable service authentication work too.
  • And many more.
Basically, while I was very close to going with Vue (as seemingly best of this group), I'm so glad I went this way instead. It may seem like a lot of things to coordinate but, once it's set up, it is really great. It may be a bit scary when you look at the hardware & software outlays, but almost all of that is ONE time.

Did I "cut the cord" per the general definition? No, but almost no one is really cutting their cord either (because they still need broadband to make even a Netflix-only option work). What this does do is cut the price without some big compromises while still working great through an :apple:TV.
 
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Of course you’re not really cutting the cord in many places as you will likely need the cable provider for internet services. So the savings is rather minimal for this streaming package vs the price difference from the cable provider. The key thing is to remove services you aren’t using to make cord cutting worthwhile. In my case, it saves about $40/month.

I went from $140 for Directv to $35 for DirectvNow. I call saving $1260 a year substantial.
 
Of course not. Most cable cutters pretend that everything else remains the same. They generally won't mention quality tradeoffs, DVR functionality tradeoffs, no surround sound, no service if broadband is down, hiccups when broadband is saturated and on and on.

I certainly think choices are good. And if people are happy with compromises, more power to them. I could save a little more by making some compromises but- at this point- the savings is down to $10 or $20 or $30 per month. People who get up at 3am to try to be first to buy $1000 phones seems like they should see $10 or $30/month as chump change. But "we" are generally misers when it comes to THIS particular part of our expenses.

Now let me go pick up today's $10 coffee or take the FAM to a single 2-hour movie and spend about $50-$70 for 2 hours of video.;)
 
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It is cheaper to get a few $15 sticks and get base Vue than basic cable TV and renting cable boxes.

We have one(tv) DVR box for Comcast and can basically replicate the tv watching experience, including access to dvr recordings, on any device with the Xfinity stream app or web browser. There isn’t an Xfinity app for my Apple TV but trough the Xfinity authentication process I can watch recent episodes through the actual TV stations app(Fox, nbc, abc etc) at no additional cost. Because of this I haven’t tried air playing from my device to the Apple TV.

For my situation this is a better solution although I can’t imagine 6 TVs needing all of these features at the same time.
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I went from $140 for Directv to $35 for DirectvNow. I call saving $1260 a year substantial.
Does $35 include the internet service or is this all streaming on your phones data plan?
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And since most of those streaming services are compatible with Single-Sign-On with tvOS and iOS, you gain the same smart-device features as any other legacy TV service (like access to TV Everywhere apps). And no hardware fees.

Isn’t there a restriction on how many devices can be used at one time for the PS service?

Aside from cost, and maybe dvr access, I think you can duplicate the multiple TV set up with the Apple TV.

In my experience the Apple TV is the fastest/smoothest vs any of the sticks or usb solutions.
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Basically, while I was close to going with Vue (as seemingly best of this group), I'm so glad I went this way instead. It may seem like a lot of things to coordinate but, once it's set up, it is really great. It may be a bit scary when you look at the hardware & software outlays, but almost all of that is ONE time.

As soon I set up my modem and stop paying for the leased modem my monthly will be at around $110.

Is this about where you’re at?
 
Yes and No. I live within a HOA and a basic level of Comcast is bundled into the HOA fee. So some of the Comcast bill is "hidden" in the HOA fee (to be paid no matter what service I use- even if I chose to have NO TV service at all). I wanted a few channels not in that tier, so I'm paying a little bit more for TV upgrade and promotional rates for Broadband and Comcast Voice. Total "triple play" bill is hanging around $55/month. What is in the HOA rate if broken out would probably push that up to about $85/month for triple play.

Add the extra $8/month for the Channels DVR service, but well worth it in my opinion.

Yes, I do own my own broadband modem.

Yes, you have to police them and threaten to leave to get them to keep reupping the broadband + voice service discounts (fortunately, I do have alternatives if I had to actually follow through on threats). I could cut the voice fee by switching to VOIP via free Google voice + Obihai hardware, but I'm pretty happy at about $63/month for everything.

Incidentally:
  • Comcast VOIP app (Xfinity Connect) is not terrible. My iDevices "ring" when I get a call via Voice. I can make (and take) calls from any such devices. I can text from any devices or even my Macs and receive texts that way too. As such, I've come to realize that since I'm in a wifi zone much of the time, I don't need an iPhone plan either- my iPad Mini with cellular is my mobile "phone" when I'm out of a wifi zone.
  • AT&T's 3 months or 2GB data for $25 plan means my annual cell service bill is about $100 at most. Buds with microphone means not holding the Mini up to my ear. People on the other end can't tell I'm not using a cell phone. I like the bigger screen, built-in headphone jack and carrying one less device (and one set of headphones with no dongles) when mobile. The monthly cellular service money savings is HUGE as is the savings in NOT buying a new iPhone every year or two.
  • Comcast's TV mobile app is pretty solid. Hit the road and I can watch a lot of live programming wherever I am.
  • Comcast's wifi hotspots seem to be just about everywhere I go, so I generally have free access to fast wifi just about anywhere, but can fall back to AT&T cellular when it's not available.
On a "quadruple play" level (tv + broadband + voice + mobile), my $63 becomes about $70/month in total. Is this for everyone? No- none of these "cord cutter" solutions is one-size-fits-all. But this works surprisingly well for me and does keep a lot of money for these kinds of services in my pocket without feeling like I'm making ANY compromises of substance.
 
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Yes, you have to police them and threaten to leave to get them to keep reupping the broadband + voice service discounts (fortunately, I do have alternatives if I had to actually follow through on threats).

I’ve noticed Comcast doesn’t advertise the possible discounts and promotions you can get. It was because of a conversation I had with a coworker about Comcast cost/packages available and happens to check Comcast’s website and found something cheaper for my exact package. Followed up with a call to get the promotion.

There is something to be said about the stability of a traditional cable subscription but once these independent streaming services figure out a way to be less dependent on a Comcast or a competing company’s internet service I have a feeling we’ll see some changes to change to Comcast’s pricing.
 
I went from $140 for Directv to $35 for DirectvNow. I call saving $1260 a year substantial.
Certainly for some people it can be very high. It all depends on what you were starting at. A lot of people were paying $100/mo for cable packages (renewing with the deal of the week). So dropping to internet only isn’t 1/3 the price but usually half. So if you’re filling the rest with subscriptions to multiple services...

In my case, I went from paying ~$110/mo for cable+internet to paying $65/mo for internet access only and I simply don’t pay for subscriptions to things. I already had Amazon Prime so that filled in for Netflix. But I don’t watch a ton of movies and TV shows.
 
I’ve noticed Comcast doesn’t advertise the possible discounts and promotions you can get. It was because of a conversation I had with a coworker about Comcast cost/packages available and happens to check Comcast’s website and found something cheaper for my exact package. Followed up with a call to get the promotion.

There is something to be said about the stability of a traditional cable subscription but once these independent streaming services figure out a way to be less dependent on a Comcast or a competing company’s internet service I have a feeling we’ll see some changes to change to Comcast’s pricing.

Maybe. If I'm Comcast and the masses jettison my cable, I WILL make up for it with broadband rates. I'm just as obligated as Apple to maximize ROI for my shareholders, so I don't just let my cable revenues go to competition on devices that are entirely dependent on the broadband service I provide.

To make Comcast more competitive, this typical monopoly (or sometimes duopoly in some places) on broadband would have to get broken. Some of us "cord cutters" sling around "but Google fiber" and similar. However, if you go look up the costs of "cable" on Google Fiber where it already exists, you don't see big savings vs. cable. Some of us think mobile bandwidth in future iterations of LTE might create a new source of broadband competition without wires, but I'm having a hard time thinking that available wireless broadband is going to be able to meet all the on-demand video streaming demand if we all wanted to go that way. Available spectrum vs. cutting-edge compression vs. ever-growing resolution seems to be an incompatible brew unless we invent Star Trek subspace spectrum or something like that. Furthermore, if the sources of that competition is still AT&T, Verizon, etc are we really imagining meaningful money savings vs. cable broadband? PLUS big enough wireless data tiers to compete with wired broadband caps often set at about 1TB per month (somewhat more or less by some providers, but far more than cellular 2GB-2XGB data plans currently the "norm")?

The key with Comcast is to "shop" in private mode in your browser as if you are new to the area and looking for service. In private mode, they can't see their "cookies," so they don't know it's an existing customer. Or head to the local library and shop on one of their computers.

If you have to punch in an address, punch in a nearby address or make up an imaginary address between your number and your neighbors. Promo offers galore, especially if you are in an area with at least one other broadband provider. Look through all of them, screen capture the best of them and be ready to play such cards when your existing promotional deal is near to expiration.

WORST Case: shut it down for 20-30 days and they'll bend over backwards to set you up with "new customer" service at 12-24 month "price lock" rates again. I haven't had to do this before but I know that can work. In my own situation, I just threaten to go to AT&T broadband, etc "triple play" and they just keep renewing the promotional rates.
 
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I honestly have zero interest in any of this until there’s zero commercials and I can watch what I want when I want without having to “record”

Until then I’ll stil to Netflix, HBO Now and Hulu (ad free) though I’ve been thinking about ditching the latter as of late as I don’t really watch much on there

Oh, totally forgot about Prime.
 
Until then I’ll stil to Netflix, HBO Now and Hulu (ad free) though I’ve been thinking about ditching the latter as of late as I don’t really watch much on there

How much are you paying for your internet service or are these subscriptions all on your mobile data connection?
 
How much are you paying for your internet service or are these subscriptions all on your mobile devices?

I pay about $70/month for 200Mbs Internet, the reason I don’t have cable isn’t because I want to save money but rather I don’t watch much and when I do I cannot stand the idea of paying money to watch commercials. If they offered me a cable package at the same price I’m paying now I wouldn’t take it. The only thing I miss is my MSG for Rangers games but I have ways to watch them anyways
 
I've got $10 Directv Now and free HBO through AT&T's unlimited plan. No, I haven't used it in well over a month and yes I forget that I have it with Netflix eating up my tv time but...I forgot where I was going with this :confused:
 
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How is the playback quality? Are there pauses and delays, even on fast internet? My NBC Apple TV app constantly freezes and drops to a lower resolution even on a 100mbps connection. Same thing happened yesterday with the free CBS stream of the Eagles Vikings game.

I’m curious to know of any issues and if one service is better than the other in terms of streaming quality.

I have Hulu and am on 100/100 connection and the stream is HD most of the time. The NFC Championship game last night had a few downgrades in quality from time to time, but that is more the exception than the rule.
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I pay about $70/month for 200Mbs Internet, the reason I don’t have cable isn’t because I want to save money but rather I don’t watch much and when I do I cannot stand the idea of paying money to watch commercials. If they offered me a cable package at the same price I’m paying now I wouldn’t take it. The only thing I miss is my MSG for Rangers games but I have ways to watch them anyways

Or a monthly fee to rent their equipment....Agree 100%.
 
We have one(tv) DVR box for Comcast and can basically replicate the tv watching experience, including access to dvr recordings, on any device with the Xfinity stream app or web browser. There isn’t an Xfinity app for my Apple TV but trough the Xfinity authentication process I can watch recent episodes through the actual TV stations app(Fox, nbc, abc etc) at no additional cost. Because of this I haven’t tried air playing from my device to the Apple TV.

For my situation this is a better solution although I can’t imagine 6 TVs needing all of these features at the same time.
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Does $35 include the internet service or is this all streaming on your phones data plan?
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Isn’t there a restriction on how many devices can be used at one time for the PS service?

Aside from cost, and maybe dvr access, I think you can duplicate the multiple TV set up with the Apple TV.

In my experience the Apple TV is the fastest/smoothest vs any of the sticks or usb solutions.
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As soon I set up my modem and stop paying for the leased modem my monthly will be at around $110.

Is this about where you’re at?

The $35 is the grandfathered in DTVN price. I pay $65 for internet, 100mbit fiber. I would have this regardless if steaming so I don’t count that since I did not change to a higher plan.
 
I love youtube tv. The dvr is great as is the quality. The hulu interface is a mess. I didn't like it
 
The $35 is the grandfathered in DTVN price. I pay $65 for internet, 100mbit fiber. I would have this regardless if steaming so I don’t count that since I did not change to a higher plan.

Ok so that clarifies things. So you’re at about $100 which was my situation.

I figure at $110 I get all the Xfinity services including the internet service, dvr, on demand and service streaming.
 
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