New Lockdown Measures Close All Remaining Apple Stores in the UK

[now i see it]

What's happening right now in the UK, the world and tHe King Covid cesspool of the USA is a testament that lockdowns only delay the inevitable. What did past lockdowns accomplish?
What we see today

 

[Plutonius]

The death figures are people who died on that day with a positive diagnosis in the last 28 days so 407 people died on Monday within 28 days of having been diagnosed

Shouldn't they also be also be giving the number of cases over that period so we can see the mortality rate over that time ?

 

[scottish]

Apple seems to completely close it’s UK stores during lockdowns. This is different to most other major retailers, which still allow “click & collect” pickup of online orders.

No Apple repair services either, which is considered an essential service and explicitly allowed under lockdown rules.

Apple did open for click and collect and Genius Bar appointments in Scotland under level 4 restrictions which require non-essential retail to close. Level 4 isn’t lockdown but I believe the non-essential retail restrictions are the same in this new lockdown.

The retail restrictions are at odds with the reasonable excuses list though which doesn’t permit leaving your home for non-essential click and collect.

 

[Plutonius]

What's happening right now in the UK, the world and tHe King Covid cesspool of the USA is a testament that lockdowns only delay the inevitable. What did past lockdowns accomplish?
What we see today

That was the goal behind the initial shutdown. Delay Covid so that the medical infrastructure was not overwhelmed (i.e. make more ventilators).

That goal has seemed to have changed to a goal of preventing any Covid deaths.

 

[DanTSX]

UK’s response has been terrible. Too slow and too soft. But the worst thing is not to learn from the previous mistakes. Still it’s better than USA’s outright negligence.

BS

USA response has been excellent despite media misrepresentation. There have been local and regional failures where local politicians have made spiteful moves such hoarding or intentionally mismanaging resources, or playing blame games to avoid working together. But the focus, funding, and people are there to beat this.

 

[DanTSX]

What's happening right now in the UK, the world and tHe King Covid cesspool of the USA is a testament that lockdowns only delay the inevitable. What did past lockdowns accomplish?
What we see today

The “king COVID cesspool” would technically be The Peoples Republic of China.

 

[Plutonius]

407 deaths _were reported_ yesterday (Monday). The data was collected the day before (Sunday). Since lots of people collecting data don't work on Saturday / Sunday, the numbers published on Sunday and Monday are always a lot lower, and then jump up on Tuesday. Since lots of people have a room temperature IQ (fortunately in Fahrenheit), every Sunday / Monday we have calls "the virus is disappearing / it's a hoax" followed by "we are all going to die" on Tuesday. Every single week since March.

Note that deaths follow new cases usually with about two to three weeks delay. You don't catch Covid today and drop dead tomorrow. And mortality rates change, for example if 18-20 year olds go back to university and infect each other then the mortality is low; as these brainless people infect people at more risky ages, mortality goes up.

I agree with you but, don't you think that they should also be giving the infection number for those 28 days ?

The deaths do follow two to three weeks later but a rolling daily mortality rate (based on 28 days) would give us a number where we could see a trend.

As it is now, I believe that the data is being obscured by the way they are reporting it.

 

[sw1tcher]

USA response has been excellent despite media misrepresentation.

The U.S. is at the top or in the top 10 for new infections, total cases, total cases per 1 million, total deaths, total deaths per 1 million...

For such a powerful, rich, and resourceful country to which many have looked to for global leadership, I don't think these are areas where the U.S. should be leading.

U.S. Image Plummets Internationally as Most Say Country Has Handled Coronavirus Badly

In several countries, favorable views of the U.S. are at their lowest point since the Center began polling on this topic two decades ago.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[Apple Knowledge Navigator]

Despicable government overreach.

Have a look yourself. Mountains of evidence that the lockdowns are not justified. @IvorCummins

Not sure where you get your facts from, but...

Despicable indeed 🤔

 

[-DMN-]

The death figures are people who died on that day with a positive diagnosis in the last 28 days so 407 people died on Monday within 28 days of having been diagnosed

In other words, if someone catches Covid and dies 14 days later (for whatever reason), they will be included in the daily figures for the day they died

This does skew the figures by an unknown amount as if someone catches covid and then gets run over they will still be included in the death figures on the day they died.

However, this is offset by the fact that if someone catches Covid and dies 29 or more days later they won't be included in any death figures at all

So, it's really more of an indication of how bad things are than 100% accurate figures, but it is a daily number

To all deniers of numbers being inflated, this is exactly why the number count is so inflated.

 

[kahkityoong]

BS

USA response has been excellent despite media misrepresentation. There have been local and regional failures where local politicians have made spiteful moves such hoarding or intentionally mismanaging resources, or playing blame games to avoid working together. But the focus, funding, and people are there to beat this.

This must be satire. UK’s failure has been due to their government’s response. On the other hand, USA’s deplorable situation is due to both the government and much of its population’s lack of character and stupidity. You’re like a school kid trying to make excuses for why he got an F. 352,000 deaths and one of the highest deaths per 100,000 population in the world are not what I would call an excellent response. Or maybe you just have lower standards? In any case UK and USA travellers are not welcome in many parts of the world. That’s not because you’re doing so well 😉

 

[Jimmy James]

In response to reasoning that “they were old/sick and would have died anyway”.

 

[RobbieTT]

To all deniers of numbers being inflated, this is exactly why the number count is so inflated.

For all those who do not bother to read even a simple thread then yes, abandon all logic and follow the ramblings of this guy^^^.

I'm so glad to live a country with an independent national statistics office that releases all raw data, all accounting methods and all analysis tools to anyone.

 

[Rocko99991]

Financially ruin the lives of the vast majority to protect the smallest minority. Quarantine the healthy. Seems legit.

 

[H2SO4]

Good. The Uk should have been more draconian in the first instance. Sooooo many people I saw ignoring the rules.
They still do it now and in my experience the shop keepers are too scared/embarrassed to approach them.

 

[-DMN-]

For all those who do not bother to read even a simple thread then yes, abandon all logic and follow the ramblings of this guy^^^.

I'm so glad to live a country with an independent national statistics office that releases all raw data, all accounting methods and all analysis tools to anyone.

Hey buddy, that post I quoted came directly from a mod, presumably one that wrote the article. It was a clarification from the mod himself about the article. Go ahead, don’t believe those that wrote the article your posting under.

 

[C DM]

Hey buddy, that post I quoted came directly from a mod, presumably one that wrote the article. It was a clarification from the mod himself about the article. Go ahead, don’t believe those that wrote the article your posting under.

Mod that wrote the article? Don't think moderators write articles.

 

[DanTSX]

This must be satire. UK’s failure has been due to their government’s response. On the other hand, USA’s deplorable situation is due to both the government and much of its population’s lack of character and stupidity. You’re like a school kid trying to make excuses for why he got an F. 352,000 deaths and one of the highest deaths per 100,000 population in the world are not what I would call an excellent response. Or maybe you just have lower standards? In any case UK and USA travellers are not welcome in many parts of the world. That’s not because you’re doing so well 😉

But I am just a school kid. 🥸

 

[DanTSX]

The U.S. is at the top or in the top 10 for new infections, total cases, total cases per 1 million, total deaths, total deaths per 1 million...

For such a powerful, rich, and resourceful country to which many have looked to for global leadership, I don't think these are areas where the U.S. should be leading.

U.S. Image Plummets Internationally as Most Say Country Has Handled Coronavirus Badly

In several countries, favorable views of the U.S. are at their lowest point since the Center began polling on this topic two decades ago.

www.pewresearch.org

How the inputs are measured may be a big factor in how bad the USA looks compared to other nations.

I believe that a lot of nations are FOS and fudging numbers to suppress rates. I also think that the USA is overstating in some regards.




t. Healthcare Industry. Global resource supply chain. Spent last 10 months standing up testing infrastructure.

I’m simply seeing too many people in the global audience spouting off repeated accusations and clickbait media summaries as representative of reality to be silent on this. I’ve been very close to this. It’s not the “Dumb” Americans (to stoop to the leve of this conversation) spreading this virus. The lower classes are extremely cautious in regards to PPE, hygiene, distancing etc. It’s the “smart” ones who are spreading it....

 

[rgbrock1]

This must be satire. UK’s failure has been due to their government’s response. On the other hand, USA’s deplorable situation is due to both the government and much of its population’s lack of character and stupidity. You’re like a school kid trying to make excuses for why he got an F. 352,000 deaths and one of the highest deaths per 100,000 population in the world are not what I would call an excellent response. Or maybe you just have lower standards? In any case UK and USA travellers are not welcome in many parts of the world. That’s not because you’re doing so well 😉

"much of its population's lack of character and stupidity."

I can smell your arrogance from here.

 

[Reason077]

Apple did open for click and collect and Genius Bar appointments in Scotland under level 4 restrictions which require non-essential retail to close. Level 4 isn’t lockdown but I believe the non-essential retail restrictions are the same in this new lockdown.

Interesting. In London they closed all Apple stores completely, a week before Christmas, when the Tier 4 announcement was made. And now, of course, they are closing them everywhere.

The retail restrictions are at odds with the reasonable excuses list though which doesn’t permit leaving your home for non-essential click and collect.

Not sure about Scotland, but England's lockdown/tier rules explicitly permit non-essential retail shops to offer click & collect services.

 

[neilmacd]

I intent to return my MacBook Air when the stores reopen (I need to reorder with 16Gb memory) am I OK to use the device until I can physically return it?

 

[Reason077]

I intent to return my MacBook Air when the stores reopen (I need to reorder with 16Gb memory) am I OK to use the device until I can physically return it?

Interested in your reasoning here are as I am currently debating between an 8GB and 16GB MacBook Air. Was there something specific that made you decide 8GB wasn't enough?

 

[RobbieTT]

Hey buddy, that post I quoted came directly from a mod, presumably one that wrote the article. It was a clarification from the mod himself about the article. Go ahead, don’t believe those that wrote the article your posting under.

No, you posted under your username and stated that:

To all deniers of numbers being inflated, this is exactly why the number count is so inflated.

You really did post that nonsense, you really did. If you cannot remember or have missing time then the alien abduction forum is waiting for you...

People are sick, suffering and dying. You, on the other hand, are posting utter drivel.

 

[Reason077]

This does skew the figures by an unknown amount as if someone catches covid and then gets run over they will still be included in the death figures on the day they died.

And how many of the 830 UK Covid deaths that were announced today do you think were actually "run over"?

Hint: there are about 1800 road traffic deaths annually in the UK, of which (in 2019) 23% involved pedestrians. So 414 people "run over" each year, or about 1.1 per day.

Even if 1 or 2 of those 830 deaths were in fact "run over", its a very small number compared to those who are dying of the disease.