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New Longhorn Look Leaked!

Originally posted by edwinedillonjr
...By the way, what IS the REAL difference between xp home and xp pro?
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Home has some networking essentials taken out of it that cripple it in certain network environments (I'm pretty sure. Anyone wanna back me up?) Pro has all the bells and whistles.

Back in the days of NT 4, there was Server and Workstation. Someone found a little registry hack that would magically turn NT 4 Workstation into Server (Workstation being a lot cheaper.) A lot of people were pissed that WS & Server were bascially the same thing, so m$ yanked out some junk from XP Pro and called it Home.

Anyone remember W2K Home edition? I know there was one...

The windows series reminds me of Street Fighter II series- they just keep adding junk to it to make it look new & cool, but under the hood it's the same crap.
 
Re: New Longhorn Look Leaked!

Originally posted by Jonathan Amend
Check out http://www.neowin.net/comments.php?id=14694&category=main to get an idea of what Longhorn will look like (no, this doesn't have the new Aero stuff yet, although Microsoft is supposed to show that off at the PDC). I think it's pretty damned sexy, although I must admit it looks a wee bit like brushed metal. I especially like how the menu bar and address bar were integrated into the caption bar in the new Internet Explorer.
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Commenting on the looks of an OS two years from release is meaningless. My guess is that the current GUI is just a modded XP GUI, used as a "placeholder" - at this stage of development, focus is probably on the kernel and more "under the hood" type stuff. Well, that's my 2 cents at least.

Regards, GulGnu

PS.
Picking up Panther today - will be pretty sweet. =) No 2-year wait here, nope =P
DS.
 
yeah, i don't think we should judge them quite yet, the GUI is not final at all. also, they are actually overhauling the base of windows, so it may end up better than you expect. what I am worried about is the "user-centric" design where stuff pops up all over the screen to help you, that and the implementation of DRM and product activation, some of it sounds pretty scary.


did you read some of the posts below the article, they really say alot about windows users, and why some of them would never go mac:
"cuz XP is stable.... stable = boring! I dunno bout you but my PC has gotten extra boring lately... news like this and new software def makes me loving being on my PC again... ...when your PC runs 50 days without reeboot or crash then that sux!"

see what I mean :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by kwajo.com
yeah, i don't think we should judge them quite yet, the GUI is not final at all. also, they are actually overhauling the base of windows, so it may end up better than you expect. what I am worried about is the "user-centric" design where stuff pops up all over the screen to help you, that and the implementation of DRM and product activation, some of it sounds pretty scary.


did you read some of the posts below the article, they really say alot about windows users, and why some of them would never go mac:
"cuz XP is stable.... stable = boring! I dunno bout you but my PC has gotten extra boring lately... news like this and new software def makes me loving being on my PC again... ...when your PC runs 50 days without reeboot or crash then that sux!"

see what I mean :rolleyes:
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So some people consider unstable crap to be an added feature of Windows instead of a drawback?
 
i guess I have been living a boring life for years then, going outside, out with friends on the weekend instead of sitting fixing my computer troubles til the wee small hours of the morning, damn, I better get some "excitement":rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by 5300cs
Home has some networking essentials taken out of it that cripple it in certain network environments (I'm pretty sure. Anyone wanna back me up?) Pro has all the bells and whistles.

Back in the days of NT 4, there was Server and Workstation. Someone found a little registry hack that would magically turn NT 4 Workstation into Server (Workstation being a lot cheaper.) A lot of people were pissed that WS & Server were bascially the same thing, so m$ yanked out some junk from XP Pro and called it Home.

Anyone remember W2K Home edition? I know there was one...

The windows series reminds me of Street Fighter II series- they just keep adding junk to it to make it look new & cool, but under the hood it's the same crap.
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Are you sure there was a Win2k Home Edition? Windows ME was what was shipping on home computers and Win2k Pro and Server were directed at corporate/business users. But enough users started using Win2k Pro as their "daily use" OS that software companies had to make sure they supported it. Of course there are still a number of games that won't run/run correctly on Win2k.


Lethal
 
Originally posted by edwinedillonjr
Nice find on the pictures, and I do appreciate them.

HOWEVER.

It amazes me how MS can package the same microkernel 12 different ways with their never-ending versions of windows. By the way, what IS the REAL difference between xp home and xp pro?

Longhorn doesnt look any different from XP with the exception of visual enhacements. I'm guessing usability still sucks.

Sure, there may be better things under the hood, but I view windows and pc's as a 83 datsun with 850 horsepower. Sure it's fast, but driving it just sucks. All this great hardware but the OS, well... you know.
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there isnt much difference in the operating system, just more pro features. like more networking support and dual processor support. thats why home is fine for most users and they can never tell the difference.

iJon
 
Originally posted by mangoduck
they had to swipe the brushed metal, didn't they. aqua wasn't good enough for them. and i thought xp was a real screen space hog... damn. what the hell is that sidebar for? there's a sidebar in each window already, plus a taskbar to cram things in. why is this needed? probably the same reason only a third of a window displays what's in a given directory. why is there a picture in the sidebar? just sitting there? it's not enough to have something pretty on your desktop, there has to be a second picture in a space where nothing can be moved over it? are they ever going to implement a real graphics subsystem?? this is lame when compared to quartz. ms, the clowns of interface design. even after forgiving that it's an alpha, i'd bet it works just as bad as it looks.

worst. os. ever.

end of rant.
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1) The sidebar will replace the taskbar by default, but for now the sidebar can't show task buttons yet so both are turned on at the same time.

2) The Explorer window is in thumbnail browsing mode, if you were to switch it to details a list of files would replace mose of the window.

3) The picture (slideshow) in the sidebar is just a placeholder until actually sidebar objects (sort of like widgets) are made.

4) They will impliment a new GUI-composing system that uses DirectX. It will be part of the new Aero interface and although it it was disabled in this build you can see demonstration screenshots of it at http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/longhorn_preview_2003.asp .
 
ill tell you guys about it later tonight after i install it, that is if everything goes well :)

iJon
 
Keep us posted, I'd like to know how this shapes up. My family is still using PCs and XP isn't the best performing OS, for sure. If Longhorn does become a decent OS, maybe it will be worth the money for an upgrade.
 
Originally posted by Powerbook G5
Keep us posted, I'd like to know how this shapes up. My family is still using PCs and XP isn't the best performing OS, for sure. If Longhorn does become a decent OS, maybe it will be worth the money for an upgrade.
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i like xp alot, but i think that is mainly because it isnt my main machine. i have a very nice pc strictly for games and it always updated no crap is put on there. and because of that it never crashes and performs very well. now on my mac os x machine i break loose and send it to hell and it still wont crash.

iJon
 
On our 2.8 GHz Dell, XP starts off pretty well, but it slows down and gets lagged real easily once you start doing multiple tasks and install software/customize it as if it were your primary system. For me, I keep it bare bones with all bells and whistles turned off, a slim registry, as little installed as possible, and the only things I have running are Norton Antivirus, Folding, the APC monitor, my router software, and whatever game I am using at the time.

As far as Longhorn goes, I just hope it ends up being as good as it is hyped up to be. Previous versions of Windows were not worth the $200+ price tag for upgrade, and upgrades were beyond annoying and impossible to do. I remember going from Windows 95 to Windows 98...that took me 4 1/2 hours to install and take care of a conflict with my video card, my audio card, and my ethernet. After that, it took a couple of more hours just to install all of my programs again and get to where I wanted.
 
Originally posted by Powerbook G5
On our 2.8 GHz Dell, XP starts off pretty well, but it slows down and gets lagged real easily once you start doing multiple tasks and install software/customize it as if it were your primary system. For me, I keep it bare bones with all bells and whistles turned off, a slim registry, as little installed as possible, and the only things I have running are Norton Antivirus, Folding, the APC monitor, my router software, and whatever game I am using at the time.

As far as Longhorn goes, I just hope it ends up being as good as it is hyped up to be. Previous versions of Windows were not worth the $200+ price tag for upgrade, and upgrades were beyond annoying and impossible to do. I remember going from Windows 95 to Windows 98...that took me 4 1/2 hours to install and take care of a conflict with my video card, my audio card, and my ethernet. After that, it took a couple of more hours just to install all of my programs again and get to where I wanted.
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yeah my pc is mainly my bittorrent machine and now my itunes machine becuse it less stuff i have to have open on my mac right next to me. and when i play a game on it. only thing its used for.

iJon
 
Originally posted by Powerbook G5
If Longhorn does become a decent OS, maybe it will be worth the money for an upgrade.
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2006 - thats quite a long time to plan for an upgrade man! personally, i think it looks ok. much better then xp. but its no os X. most windows users are a bit too naive to look at other operating systems.

it may be building a theme that lots of windows users thought were innovating. i hope micro$oft sticks with it. it'll at least look totally different from the mac os. the sidebar looks quite annoying, but it may make more sense in the end - what i'm afraid of is option overload. "make new folder here, add or remove programs here, folders, detailed view, search, stop, ah! :eek:

i know it would never happen, but it would be nice for apple to showcase and advertise os X 10.5 - or whichever it'll be by that time, before longhorn were to be released. it would dispell all of the "look the windows are animating! and the icons are so interesting to look at! and everything is right there in the sidebar!" aesthetic responses.

i liked one of the replies on the message board "For people like me who likes to fix stuff, when your PC runs 50 days without reeboot or crash then that sux!" ha! it is actually kinda fun to fix pcs every now and then. makes me feel like a genious! :p
 
I'd like to see Apple come up with "OS 12 Preview" with full voice activated holographic user interface to see how people react. "So is the Finder still brushed metal?" Remember when Steve said with 10.0 that Aqua will make you want to lick your screen? Well now you finally can!
 
Maybe by the time Longhorn is released, we'll have a two-button mouse.







Nah, I'm being too optimistic.
 
Originally posted by Macco
Maybe by the time Longhorn is released, we'll have a two-button mouse.







Nah, I'm being too optimistic.
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yeah i know, longhorn will never come out.

iJon
 
Originally posted by iJon
yeah i know, longhorn will never come out.

iJon
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I don't know what people have against a release date of 2006... has it ever occured to anyone that 2003 is just about over and late 2005/early 2006 isn't that far away for a new version of Windows?
 
Originally posted by Jonathan Amend
I don't know what people have against a release date of 2006... has it ever occured to anyone that 2003 is just about over and late 2005/early 2006 isn't that far away for a new version of Windows?
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no the funny thing is that microsoft keeps pushing back the date. thats why i wouldnt get to excited about the 2006 date quite yet.

iJon
 
Originally posted by iJon
no the funny thing is that microsoft keeps pushing back the date. thats why i wouldnt get to excited about the 2006 date quite yet.

iJon
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AMD's Hammer line of processors was announced in late 1999 and wasn't supposed to ship much later but the Athlon 64 only came out in September of this year and it still kicks everything else's ass =)
 
Originally posted by Jonathan Amend
AMD's Hammer line of processors was announced in late 1999 and wasn't supposed to ship much later but the Athlon 64 only came out in September of this year and it still kicks everything else's ass =)
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you know what jonny boy, i looked through most of your posts and almost all of them were against the mac and how longhorn rules and amd is superior to everything. may i ask you your goal from being on this site?

iJon
 
Originally posted by iJon
you know what jonny boy, i looked through most of your posts and almost all of them were against the mac and how longhorn rules and amd is superior to everything. may i ask you your goal from being on this site?

iJon
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I already stated my intentions in a previous post, which you should have seen if you already went through them.

From https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41726, quoting myself:

Originally posted by myself
No, although that would be nice =)
I preferer PCs but I have nothing against Macs and I think both platforms have their strengths and weaknesses. I also don't think it would hurt these forums if someone were to have different opinions... Likemindedness doesn't make good conversation.
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Edit: forgot a / in my vB code
 
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