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Originally posted by Jonathan Amend
I already stated my intentions in a previous post, which you should have seen if you already went through them.

From https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41726, quoting myself:



Edit: forgot a / in my vB code
whatever floats your boat, but when your on a mac site and all you talk about is amd and longhorn no one really cares, and its a waste of our time as well as yours. it would be like me going to my acura forum and saying my mom's bmw z3 is better than my tl (but its not :) ) although i have nothin against honda. why dont you go show a amd forum your love for amd.

iJon
 
Originally posted by iJon
whatever floats your boat, but when your on a mac site and all you talk about is amd and longhorn no one really cares, and its a waste of our time as well as yours. it would be like me going to my acura forum and saying my mom's bmw z3 is better than my tl (but its not :) ) although i have nothin against honda. why dont you go show a amd forum your love for amd.

iJon

Am I not allowed to mention anything about AMD? I've given credit to Intel and the Pentium 4 where it was due, and I think mentioning a liking of AMD will stop such idiocies as "Wintel". Which reminds me, back in the early 90s it was AMD who was allowed to put the "Made for Windows" logo onto their chips, not Intel.
 
Originally posted by Jonathan Amend
Am I not allowed to mention anything about AMD? I've given credit to Intel and the Pentium 4 where it was due, and I think mentioning a liking of AMD will stop such idiocies as "Wintel". Which reminds me, back in the early 90s it was AMD who was allowed to put the "Made for Windows" logo onto their chips, not Intel.
who cares but that wasnt my point. the fact is you are on a mac site and all you talk about it pc's. of course i cant stop you nor do i care. i was simply asking why do you come to a mac fan site to shed your love on amd pc's intel and longhorn. do you do it because you know questions like this will come up.

iJon
 
Originally posted by iJon
who cares but that wasnt my point. the fact is you are on a mac site and all you talk about it pc's. of course i cant stop you nor do i care. i was simply asking why do you come to a mac fan site to shed your love on amd pc's intel and longhorn. do you do it because you know questions like this will come up.

iJon

Telling people that I like AMD is not my intent, and I made this Longhorn thread to gather Mac user's opinions on the new look. Frankly, I'm not surprised that most of them hate it, but they did make some good points (for example, I didn't notice just how much space the new caption bar wasted). I post on these forums to contradict those who are obviously and factually wrong, as well as to have interesting arguments with others that might know something I don't, since arguing is both fun and enlightening. I doubt I'd find any interesting conversations on a pc fan site (if such a thing even exists), as everyone would have the same general opinions as I do.
 
I don't mind having a few PC lovers on these boards as long as they don't troll. I dislike the PC platform as much as most others do, but you have to admit that AMD has always had some pretty impressive technology and their new processors really show that. As far as Windows goes, I just won't hold my breath. I've used Windows since switching from DOS to 3.1, and I'll tell you, from my experience, it hasn't really made much of an advancement to qualify it as "new" with any upgrade they've done...at least with Longhorn, Microsoft is finally letting go of a lot of the crap it's been recycling and trying something "new" for a change. As far as the release date...it seems like it will be released the same time Halo 2 will be released. Hasn't that game been pushed back a good 4 or 5 times already?
 
Originally posted by Jonathan Amend
Frankly, I'm not surprised that most of them hate it, but they did make some good points (for example, I didn't notice just how much space the new caption bar wasted)

hey! i said i liked it! it does look pretty good. i thought xp looked and felt pretty good too. yeah, that was before i used osx, but good nonetheless. at least M$ is putting some effort into design and feel of an operating system, instead of simply revamping a design they already had in place.

I post on these forums to contradict those who are obviously and factually wrong, as well as to have interesting arguments with others that might know something I don't, since arguing is both fun and enlightening.

now, i don't think mac users are ignorant of what windows has to offer. most of them have to work on both systems on a daily basis. so its important for us to see what is progressing. and its not as if longhorn is a final build yet. so we can't be factually wrong about what is in development for windows. isn't it possible they may trash the sidebar? or the goofy little options all over the place? who knows!

and i agree that arguing is fun and enlightening, but that is only if it is based on a good argument. stating facts and backing them up with evidence is good. now is it true about the tech specs for longhorn though? i heard it required 1 gig of memory, 1ghz processor speed, and a 128bit video card! whoah!:eek: :eek: as for Halo 2, i think its supposed to be released on xbox first.
 
Some objective views

Honstly I'm not going to bash here, after looking at Longhorn I must say I do see some attempts to look more Mac OS Xish. the color scheme looks familiar.
I also don't like how space is so poorly utilized, the whole UI looks very daunting to use.
It looks a lot like XP, and I must say overall I'm not impressed, I'm not going to bash but it is ugly.
No wonder their taking so long their waiting to get ideas from OS X.
 
Longhorn .....cow.

I really liked Mr. Job's presentation of a Panther vs. M$ XP and other OS desktops related to animals that just eat all day long waiting to be milked. Seems that just like M$ OS implementations over the years, 200 Pro, ME, XP Home, XP Pro, WIndows Server 2003 they all just eat more and more HD space along with resource space - selling to the masses just waiting to milk them; and their time in productivity. Believe me I know been using Microsoft products at every iteration (except NT versions) incl 2000Pro right now -hoping to upgrade to XP Pro as its the best yet and since I just started my new employment will be the very last - unless one used for work.

What exactly is a "Troll" when it comes to forums i.e. habits things they say or do?? I'm really not sure. I've heard the word thrown around so often just like 13-19 yr old avid gamers playing Counter Strike or Rogue Spear saying "oh man I just got gay'd or that's gay, he gay'd me.....blah blah blah" - almost mindless to hear it, but would like to know if it truely has any real meaning. (PS not saying anyone's mindless)

The skin or UIQ that M$ is planning to use IS going to look exactly like that. another site has some details mentioned on this site in another thread. The underpinnings will allow for new API's and will require certain hardware display's to take full advantage of it. Looks' like to fully enjoy Longhorn you'll need a 21" display no less, and when it finally is released to replace XP Pro/Home you'll need a 60" Plasma or something like it.

Personally, I think that it sucks. The side bar is just like the task bar & quick launch combined and is unecessary! It truely yet harribly, yes that's Harribly not horribly, imitates the dock.:p
 
To everyone slamming that UI,
It's a placeholder. It's not the UI they are going to use. It's just dressed up to not look like xp. It might be ugly, but it's a little early (2006 release date) to start slamming them like a few of your are. (mangoduck)
I think the sidebar is just as stupid as the next guy. But who knows.

i admit i was a bit harsh out of the gate, but such is the nature of a rant. however, this is the the second or third set of screenshots of longhorn that i've seen so far, each sporting a different appearance. how many times do they need to change it during alpha? don't they have other things to worry about before cosmetics? and why change the look of something if only so it doesn't look like the last product? says a lot of their marketing tactics.

1) The sidebar will replace the taskbar by default, but for now the sidebar can't show task buttons yet so both are turned on at the same time.

2) The Explorer window is in thumbnail browsing mode, if you were to switch it to details a list of files would replace mose of the window.

3) The picture (slideshow) in the sidebar is just a placeholder until actually sidebar objects (sort of like widgets) are made.

4) They will impliment a new GUI-composing system that uses DirectX. It will be part of the new Aero interface and although it it was disabled in this build you can see demonstration screenshots of it at http://www.winsupersite.com/showcas...review_2003.asp .

1. i don't see why a sidebar is needed as a separate element to begin with. can the taskbar not be further modified into the same thing while retaining options to keep it small and out of the way?

2. thumbnails, ok. but still, you have the title bar, a toolbar (that's way too tall for the functionality it offers), a menu bar, an info bar (huge!) that gives the same type of info as os x does in column view, and a space on the left side where the previous information currently resides in xp. not only are all these elements present at once and unnecessarily kept separate (the last 2 should be consolidated into one pane), but everything is big and clunky and circus-like. excessive, no?

3. this sort of function could be better accomplished as konfabulator does on the mac.

4. good to see they're taking this seriously (finally). looks like they're going about it the same way as apple by offloading graphic intensive tasks to appropriate hardware via directx. with a major difference - i give you this snippet from the same page:

The bare minimum Longhorn system will have to be able to display at least 1024 x 768 with 32-bit color, and it must include a hardware accelerated 3D video card with at least 64 MB of RAM. But this is the base requirement: To take advantage of the fun eye candy Microsoft has planned, you'll need advanced video hardware with at least 128 MB of RAM.

...vs the 32 megs (actually only 16) needed for quartz extreme. transforms and transparency are easy in 3d, but it says nothing of the quality of the images they're making flap around. have they developed anything underneath this that resembles display postscript? is there full alpha transparency and accurate (pdf quality, cleartype doesn't cut it) font rendering? quartz had this and more even before "extreme" came along.

i don't bash only to bash. if they can make a respectable interface and display system - professional, not fisher price - then hooray for them. but professional this is not.
 
Well, if they handed out a "beta of a new OS version" and it looked like the ugly classic windows or playschool xp after they got done bragging about that aero UI it would kind of look foolish. It's just a place holder. I wouldn't want to show off what it looked like either the way how the stylexp skinners and windows blinds skinners grab every screenshot they make and turn it into a skin. :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by sparks9
Microsoft seems to be following Apple's colour style.
I don't think it's a coincidense that Longhorn is metallic.

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
Is it really supposed to be metallic? If it is, then it's a really ugly metallic skin they are using.

The new look is not metallic. The new look is called "slate" but I'd say it looks more like graphite (which is also not a metal).

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
...vs the 32 megs (actually only 16) needed for quartz extreme. transforms and transparency are easy in 3d, but it says nothing of the quality of the images they're making flap around. have they developed anything underneath this that resembles display postscript? is there full alpha transparency and accurate (pdf quality, cleartype doesn't cut it) font rendering? quartz had this and more even before "extreme" came along.

The mimimum requirements for Longhorn's new graphics suggest that you need a Radeon or a GeForce to run properly, which isn't really all that much. Chances are you can also turn Aero off to make Longhorn run on older hardware (My P166 is below Microsoft's minimum requirements for XP but I'm typing this post on it). Read the article more carefully, those aren't images flying around, but movie clips being played in real time. Windows doesn't use postscript and pdf is rarely used for anything (we hate having to install Acrobate Reader just as much as QuickTime). Ever since Windows 98 and Me, a lot of the Windows shell's components are entirely done in HTML. I think cleartype is pretty good at what it does, and vectored true type fonts can scale without limits. Windows 2000 and XP have full alpha transparency support, it just isn't used very much since it's not processed by the video card, making it slow. A feature which Longhorn's Aero will have that Quartz doesn't is scaling. All of the elements on the screen will be vectors instead of bitmaps so you can make things the same proportional size on a 60" plasma screen at a high resolution as a 17" at 1024x768 without anything pixelating.
 
I haven't read the whole thread, but did anyone else think it was funny that the guy who posted the screenshots felt it necessary to post one of the Ctrl-Alt-Delete screen? Maybe he felt that since Windows users spend so much time there, they might as well start getting acquainted with it :D
 
This Longhorn story has been floating around for quite a while and I'm still finding it hard to get a straight story.

I am under the assumption that longhorn is a 32-bit operating system? is this true.

Either way 'Windows XP 64 for Athlon 64' which is now in beta looks to be more of a milestone for the company than longhorn which has been in alpha for years.
 
I am a Windows user and i do think it's sad that Microsoft opted to copy OSX GUI.

Just look at the boot screenshots, just like OSX boots and there are several other things.

It's boring....
 
Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Hmmm, graphite sounds familiar, Jonathan. ;)

Please fill me in... I'm not a regular Mac user so my knowledge of its history has a few gaps in it (from what google tells me, it's the worst shade of iMac, ever).

Originally posted by manitoubalck
This Longhorn story has been floating around for quite a while and I'm still finding it hard to get a straight story.

I am under the assumption that longhorn is a 32-bit operating system? is this true.

Either way 'Windows XP 64 for Athlon 64' which is now in beta looks to be more of a milestone for the company than longhorn which has been in alpha for years.

I can't be 100% sure of this, but Longhorn will most likely have both a 32 bit and a 64 bit edition, since Intel probably won't even have any consumer 64 bit chips out by the time Longhorn ships. I don't know where you heard that Longhorn has been under developement for several years... the first alpha to be leaked was build 3683 and stage m3 (milestone 3) of the alpha process (it got the 3683 from the Windows Server 2003 build it was based on). It only leaked a few months ago and Microsoft has since bumped the build numbers to 4000+ to distance it from the Windows Server 2003 tree.

Originally posted by Lizzard
I am a Windows user and i do think it's sad that Microsoft opted to copy OSX GUI.

Just look at the boot screenshots, just like OSX boots and there are several other things.

It's boring....

Windows has booted with a scrolling bar ever since 95. "Slate" does look a bit like brushed metal but there are distinct differences (for one, it's not metallic, and second, it's not brushed). I don't see how Microsoft copied Apple's look before either, as Luna (Windows XP blue) doesn't look anything like Aqua. It's not like Apple got a general patent on "not grey".
 
longhorn being leaked a couple of months ago. i had an early build almost a year ago on my pc. it sucked so i took it off.

iJon
 
Graphite is both an iMac color as well as an appearance "theme" for the OS X GUI.
 

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Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Graphite is both an iMac color as well as an appearance "theme" for the OS X GUI.

and any advanced uesr of os x will probably use graphite for the scheme and as a background. Well, I do and i do video + image editing so the greys dont interfere (not that it matters much on the pro apps).
 

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Originally posted by Powerbook G5
I'd like to see Apple come up with "OS 12 Preview" with full voice activated holographic user interface to see how people react. "So is the Finder still brushed metal?" Remember when Steve said with 10.0 that Aqua will make you want to lick your screen? Well now you finally can!

An interesting concept, however unlikley
 
more info

A little more info on Longhorn, and why I was dissing it. This site seems to update regularly on the conference: Windows Network .

A qoute:
Well, we've spent several hours playing with Longhorn build 4051, and while we're still not overly impressed--tomorrow's Gates keynote better kill or these guys have some explaining to do--we have at least gotten the gist of what's going on in this build. First, it's a dog on any system with less than 512 MB of RAM, so consider that a base amount (up from 256 in Windows XP). The new content aggregator Libraries are more usable in this build than in previous alphas, and it's clear that a lot of what we're seeing now are just placeholders for future refinements. For example, you can dynamic scale the icons in any Explorer window, like you can in Mac OS X: There's just one difference: Longhorn's icons are currently the junky old bitmapped versions we've all used before and they don't scale well at all. We think the new Aero UI will fix that. Contacts are now integrated directly into the file system, which makes sense when you consider the file system's new database capabilities. The digital image stuff is very much enhanced with simple image red eye removal and quick fix features in Image Preview, and a new zooming mode in Paint (yes paint) that makes that app truly usable. Oddly, Outlook Express 7 has been dramatically improved to more closely resemble MSN 8.5, and Internet Explorer 6.05 (which will surely be at least version 7 in the final build) includes pop-up ad blocking and a download manager.

512MB of memory MINIMUM that's Bloated nasty nachos eating M$. Integrating contacts into the file system of the OS; Hmm that also sounds familiar to what Apple has already done. I guess the only "innovation" to speak of would be
We're getting updates on Microsoft's platform strategy, Web services architecture, Visual Studio .NET, Dynamic Systems Initiative (DSI), and Security.
Well except for the security things, lol. I'm hoping that M$ efforts into Visual Studio .NET would prompt Apple further into XML into programming language; then again XCODE looks like the Shiznit!
 
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