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I'd sooner sit there watching an ad take the piss than some pointless ad with no use what so ever. Someone flying around in the sky to 'ray of light' makes instantly change the channel.



So why even advertise then? why advertise Windows XP with a person flying in the sky? why not show montages of people doing neat stuff with it?



Here is something to that - bulls*hit. Every person I know can relate to all the things which are raised. You may have your head up Bill/Steve Balmers behind, giving him a turbo rim - but for the average Joe and Jane, they can relate to the frustration and the 'out of touch' nature of Microsoft. You're the one who is precious - grow some thicker skin.

PS. One begs to ask, why the hell are you even here if you're not even a Mac user? or are you one of those parasites who considers themselves an Apple user by virtue of purchasing an el-cheapo iPod?

When you done with your evening prayers to Steve jobs, finish with "Lord, i am humble, and not worthy.....but why did you remove firewire?" this seems to be causing lots of frustration for long term apple uses....."out of touch" maybe....

You are right, looking at your, you have to put on some blinkers, become very arrogant and obnoxious to be a real user Apple user. Read the actual posts and you will find that many of us use both systems. I work in a very large multimedia company and we need both. And to be honest we could not do without the PCs but we could replace the macs, but we choose to use the macs for what they are better at. The issue with macs is that they cannot do alot of things that a PC can (IT development), but they rock on video and design.

On these forums, the worst users are the individuals who own a mac as a fashion accessory and the individuals who lack IT knowledge. And it funny how these are the first to have a go at vista without using it.
 
The issue with macs is that they cannot do alot of things that a PC can (IT development)

Oh you've got to be ******** me. You did not just say that, did you?

You must be stuck in .NET land - puke.

But even still, VMware/Bootcamp anyone?
 
So where's the comparison? Essentially Apple is behaving like the child who responds to questions by saying "BECAUSE" - without ever explaining how or why or when or what.

I'm becoming increasingly embarrassed to be an Apple user.

MS/Vista doesn't compare because it would make them look stupid. What would they say? Why would you compare yourself to a superior product. It would be like having a chevy commercial saying lot's of people drive Chevy's and fewer people drive BMW's so Chevy's are better.....

I know people hate the comparisons but MS hasn't taken the higher road here, the only thing they can do is continue to have their pointless ads that mean nothing!

Why do you think they pulled the ads, consumers didn't get it.

And you didn't find their "I'm a PC" ads to be a childish shot at Apple, give me a break.

If you are embarrassed to be an Apple user than go crash your Dell or whatever it is you use. No one cares if you leave anyway.
 
The "bake sale" one is even more sad and pathetic than the money stacking one.

Makes me wonder how many more theres going to be. This is the worst comeback Ive ever seen.

No the worst Comeback is the "I'm a PC" campaign... it's almost like standing up at an AA meeting and admitting you have a problem. Didn't mention what was good about their product or why they are better than the competition.

People keep knocking the Apple ads but at least they are making a statement.
 
Mate, how about you ACTUALLY watch the Microsoft ads, never do they name a competitors operating system, the ads are not even about an operating system. For your information PC is not only Windows.

Owwww we are not MS/Vista lovers, a large number of us use both systems. And know the virtues of using both. We are just more open minded then some it seems.

As Lisa Edmondson once said “He who is humble is confident and wise. He who brags is insecure and lacking.”

I know it's a bit of a leap for some people to understand.....but the "I'm a PC" ad from MS is a direct shot back at Apple, subtle but it's there and by the way it didn't work. The fact that they are not even about an OS says everything. I know PC is not only windows but simply going with the theme of the ads.

I use both systems because I am forced too and it sucks. I feel no need to have an open mind about something that causes me problems everyday.

and yes the giant Microsoft is very humble.... Maybe they are best to stay out of advertising until they come up with and idea as to why we should by their products other than hanging out with Jerry Seinfeld.
 
We now know what Apple does with that cash...

As far as the Bean Counter ad goes, we now know what Apple is doing with that whatever billion in cash they have stored away: they display it in their ads! :D

-Kyle
 
MS/Vista doesn't compare because it would make them look stupid. What would they say? Why would you compare yourself to a superior product. It would be like having a chevy commercial saying lot's of people drive Chevy's and fewer people drive BMW's so Chevy's are better.....

Are you for real?
 
No the worst Comeback is the "I'm a PC" campaign... it's almost like standing up at an AA meeting and admitting you have a problem. Didn't mention what was good about their product or why they are better than the competition.

People keep knocking the Apple ads but at least they are making a statement.

You have to be kidding me, its one of the most well recieved campaigns in recent memory. Even the majority of people on this forum thought it was a great commercial. The Seinfeld ads were a disaster but the ads showing all the different types of people and all the different uses that PC's have completely illegitimized Apple's campaign. Fanboys will say "but its not about anything" simply because they can take the commercial literally and ignore the metaphors while trying to appear smart, the fact is that their commercial not only makes Apple look like a douchebag but it shows how windows isnt just for calculator.exe. Apple's new commercials just slander MS for making ads, there arent even any metaphors that mac is better (unless you count the metaphor that mac users are cool and laid back), its a pathetic attempt at advertising a product since there is no product being advertised.

The best comebacks have always been by proving your foe wrong without stooping to their level, which is what MS did. Apple couldnt prove MS wrong because they know their commercials are full of lies, so the only thing they could think of was "oh ya, well youre fat and stupid"
 
Since a Celeron based Windows PC clearly isn't in the same class as a Macbook we need to be comparing, well, Apples to apples.

So yu're finally agreeing that the two are, indeed, not identical afterall. Thank-you.

If you need to run Windows based applications then buying a Mac isn't the brightest idea.

Without any afforded context of the so-called 'need', even though it is technically true, that statement is functionally worthless.

Afterall, why should someone not adopt OS X if their need for Windows is, for example, restricted to one 5 minute period every 2 years? (0.00005% of your life). Why can't they go use a Windows PC at the public library or something? The idea that Windows is an individual necessary backfires on itself here, because of its reason for existence: its ubiquity.

I agree with this point but the subset of OSX only apps in general usage where there isn't a Windows compatible version is very small indeed.

Sorry, but you can't try to have it both ways.

Specifically, since your argument essentially is that we must own our own Windows PC regardless of how small/infrequent the need, but when we replace Windows with the OSX environment, it somehow becomes OK to ignore it. For you to be internally consistent, you either must be willing to ' abandon' a platform, or demand accessibility to both.

It's horse for courses - I suspect most home users aren't going to have an issue with the paucity of applications because there are sufficient available of a good enough quality to meet their needs. The problem, as you point out, is in enterprise or some parts of academia.

Is this "Paucity" yet another myth? I keep on hearing this sort of claim and yet, when I ask for solid mainstream examples, never seem to get a straight reply.

FWIW, I don't dispute that there's fewer Apps, or that a specific vendor chooses to not compile an OSX version, or that there's niche applications (nipple piercing cataloging :p). My point here is that when we look at the question from the Capability provided by the sum of the Appilication solutions, precisely where are these huge gaping black holes of non-solution within OSX that are apparently huge, significant barriers to adoption that we keep on hearing about?

Afterall, if they're big enough to have so much time talking about them, then we should be able to cite several real world examples...if they exist.

For example, between just MacOffice, iWork and OpenOffice as OSX solutions, what do you want to claim are utterly missing from the sum of the three that clearly and obviously impacts over 50% of general consumers from using them as a product solution?

Are all three of them incapable of displaying lower case based text?
No, so its not that.

How about some esoteric formatting features?
No, they fail the "sufficently used by enough' criteria.

And so on. Just looking for some specifics to provide any level of pragmatic credibility this all-too-oft-heard claim.



-hh
 
So yu're finally Afterall, why should someone not adopt OS X if their need for Windows is, for example, restricted to one 5 minute period every 2 years? (0.00005% of your life). Why can't they go use a Windows PC at the public library or something? The idea that Windows is an individual necessary backfires on itself here, because of its reason for existence: its ubiquity.

Not to mention Bootcamp, Parallels, and VMWare.
 
So yu're finally agreeing that the two are, indeed, not identical afterall. Thank-you.

Well no, I'm saying that we're not comparing 'two', we're comparing Apple's product line to equivalent windows PCs. Once again, it's an error to lump all Windows based PCs from scores of OEMs using a vast array of components under one heading.

Afterall, why should someone not adopt OS X if their need for Windows is, for example, restricted to one 5 minute period every 2 years? (0.00005% of your life).

Why can't they go use a Windows PC at the public library or something? The idea that Windows is an individual necessary backfires on itself here, because of its reason for existence: its ubiquity.

Totally agree with that part but that's not what we're talking about, is it? We're talking about when people have to regularly use apps which don't run on OSX and, as a result, install XP or Vista on their Mac. Let's not go off at a tangent here.

Sorry, but you can't try to have it both ways.

Not asking to.

Specifically, since your argument essentially is that we must own our own Windows PC regardless of how small/infrequent the need, but when we replace Windows with the OSX environment, it somehow becomes OK to ignore it. For you to be internally consistent, you either must be willing to ' abandon' a platform, or demand accessibility to both.

Incorrect. My argument is that if you regularly use applications not supported by OSX and you have to install Windows to run them then you've made the wrong choice in terms of platform.

Is this "Paucity" yet another myth? I keep on hearing this sort of claim and yet, when I ask for solid mainstream examples, never seem to get a straight reply.

FWIW, I don't dispute that there's fewer Apps, or that a specific vendor chooses to not compile an OSX version, or that there's niche applications (nipple piercing cataloging :p). My point here is that when we look at the question from the Capability provided by the sum of the Appilication solutions, precisely where are these huge gaping black holes of non-solution within OSX that are apparently huge, significant barriers to adoption that we keep on hearing about?

Afterall, if they're big enough to have so much time talking about them, then we should be able to cite several real world examples...if they exist.

Well for me it's MS Access followed by Minitab (OSX only supports version 10 which is a few years old now) - Apple is awful for statistical analysis software. Others will vary depending on needs.

For example, between just MacOffice, iWork and OpenOffice as OSX solutions, what do you want to claim are utterly missing from the sum of the three that clearly and obviously impacts over 50% of general consumers from using them as a product solution?

I'm not - I already made the point that if OSX supports all your need then there's no problem. However, if you have to install Windows to run application it doesn't and use them fairly regularly then you made a bad choice. That's my main point of contention.
 
When you done with your evening prayers to Steve jobs, finish with "Lord, i am humble, and not worthy.....but why did you remove firewire?" this seems to be causing lots of frustration for long term apple uses....."out of touch" maybe....

You are right, looking from your reply you have to put in some blinkers, become very arrogant and obnoxious to be a real user Apple user. Read the actual posts and you will find that many of us use both systems. I work in a very large multimedia company and we need both. And to be honest we could not do without the PCs but we could replace the macs, but we choose to use the macs for what they are better at. The issue with macs is that they cannot do alot of things that a PC can (IT development), but they rock on video and design.

On these forums, the worst users are the individuals who own a mac as a fashion accessory and the individuals who lack IT knowledge. And it funny how these are the first to have a go at vista without using it.

Any credibility you might have had was destroyed when you uttered the line:

"The issue with macs is that they cannot do alot of things that a PC can (IT development)"

I really can't believe you have that job in your company - I really have to ask, how much money, how much sucking, how much pocket pissing was required to get it - because from that one liner you've demonstrated it wasn't done technical merit.
 
note to self: when making an ad dont use metaphors, not everyone will understand

I know what metaphors are - I just don't get suckered into people trying to sell a product as a lifestyle - that goes for the idiots who scream and faint in the isles when Steve unveils an obvious product update (or new product release) -or Microsoft drones having multiple orgasms over the idea of including a feature which was 'the bloody obvious thing to do'.

Having a crap song with people flying through the air doesn't inform me anything of the new product; then again, I can't stand all advertising. If I want a product, tell me of its existence and piss off. Let me investigate whether it is worth while buying it.
 
Any credibility you might have had was destroyed when you uttered the line:

"The issue with macs is that they cannot do alot of things that a PC can (IT development)"

I really can't believe you have that job in your company - I really have to ask, how much money, how much sucking, how much pocket pissing was required to get it - because from that one liner you've demonstrated it wasn't done technical merit.

However, the mere existence of Windows in the IT world guarantees thousands of hours of work; troubleshooting, defragging, reformatting, reinstalling, rebooting, and disinfecting. It is true, Windows does all of this much better than OSX, as it is Window's own reliability and consistency of failure which keep many IT techs in business.
 
However, the mere existence of Windows in the IT world guarantees thousands of hours of work; troubleshooting, defragging, reformatting, reinstalling, rebooting, and disinfecting. It is true, Windows does all of this much better than OSX, as it is Window's own reliability and consistency of failure which keep many IT techs in business.

You got that right. Perish the thought of pushing a product that might make oneself obsolete.
 
However, the mere existence of Windows in the IT world guarantees thousands of hours of work; troubleshooting, defragging, reformatting, reinstalling, rebooting, and disinfecting. It is true, Windows does all of this much better than OSX, as it is Window's own reliability and consistency of failure which keep many IT techs in business.

What a bs. Do you think companies working with Linux or OSX have smaller system and engineering departments?
 
What a bs. Do you think companies working with Linux or OSX have smaller system and engineering departments?

They certainly compensate for far fewer hours of troubleshooting, defragging, reformatting, reinstalling, rebooting, and disinfecting than those companies working with Windows. No B.S.
 
Please stop these ads Apple - they are getting tiring and are looking so! You sell great products so advertise them and don't me cruel to competitors!!
 
Please stop these ads Apple - they are getting tiring and are looking so! You sell great products so advertise them and don't me cruel to competitors!!

Eeeh... the competitor was more or less cural to us. Stopped support for IE (which no one cared) & Window Media Player. Haft to use a Quicktime plugin now that's pretty much shareware. They also left us with pretty much outdated software such as Office 2004 which only now is getting attention again and MSN Messenger which just plain sucks. Can't even change avatars without getting an error, no matter what the format is.

And yet Apple gives them everything including the kitchen sink. Such as iTunes, Quicktime, Bonjour, iPod, and now Safari! Sure its not the best considering there use to coding with Xcode but that never stopped them.
 
Eeeh... the competitor was more or less cural to us. Stopped support for IE (which no one cared) & Window Media Player. Haft to use a Quicktime plugin now that's pretty much shareware. They also left us with pretty much outdated software such as Office 2004 which only now is getting attention again and MSN Messenger which just plain sucks. Can't even change avatars without getting an error, no matter what the format is.

And yet Apple gives them everything including the kitchen sink. Such as iTunes, Quicktime, Bonjour, iPod, and now Safari! Sure its not the best considering there use to coding with Xcode but that never stopped them.

Not to mention, the MS Mac Division (Mactopia) happens to be MS's most profitable software sector. We shouldn't expect them to maintain software on the Mac side, however, being that their own Windows software is in such a state of despair.
 
pretty funny but apple probably spends more money on advertising than MS does (but what do I know?). I have never seen an MS ad on TV but I've seen plenty of Mac ads.

apple probably doesn't spend as much as you might think. they were savvy enough to get clearance from SAG to do a total buyout offer rather than pay per use and the two actors agreed to take it. that alone probably saves them tons of money. plus they do everything in a white box and could be using basic DV cameras for all we know. no location fees, no banks of trailers and massive wardrobes etc.

If apple spent less $ on advertising maybe they could use the money they saved to put a DVD burner in the Mac mini...lol.

2GHz : SuperDrive
2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
1GB memory
120GB hard drive
$799.00
 
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