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I don't think you "get" the Mini.



That's because all Macs, other than the Mac Pro, are based on notebook components. There's a glaring hole in Apple's lineup, but you're not going to see a Mini with anything other than notebook components.



Can you put all that in an enclosure that's 6.5" x 6.5" x 2", uses very little electricity and silent? And can you show us benchmarks for those PC's? I suspect they don't compare to the Mini.



But Win PCs are less efficient than Macs. Check out Geekbench - when you find Macs and PCs with identical cpus, the Macs always score better. There's more to a computer's performance than cpu gHz. And there's more to a computer than speed.



Well, then you have two options. Buy a PC with winblows, or build yourself a hackintosh.

The real comparison in my post is the 700$ Core 2 Quad CPU compared to the 800$ Mac mini with a Core 2 Duo processor. I'm sure the HP destroys the Mac Mini in every single way.
And I don't really care about the size of the Mac mini, because it's not a notebook so it's not supposed to be portable. Being a small machine means there's no space for upgrades. A small PC that can still take some upgrading by the consumer is the HP Slimline series.
 
Edit: just looked at your omaura - it's a lot bigger than a Mini's enclosure and about US$200.

It's the same size as all the other gear it's around though, and imo looks much nicer - I've got a feeling they're not making them any more but havn't looked - strangely when I got mine you could order them off the dell site (I also paid less than that).

My point was that you could build one the same size as the mini, using current technologies, off the shelf parts and for less - I'm sure a firm like apple could design something very quickly that's pretty damn powerful, small and cheap.
 
The real comparison in my post is the 700$ Core 2 Quad CPU compared to the 800$ Mac mini with a Core 2 Duo processor. I'm sure the HP destroys the Mac Mini in every single way.

I'm sure it doesn't. It runs winblows, after all.

And I don't really care about the size of the Mac mini,

But many people do.

because it's not a notebook so it's not supposed to be portable. Being a small machine means there's no space for upgrades. A small PC that can still take some upgrading by the consumer is the HP Slimline series.

There's really no point in you following this thread, then. The Mini always has been, and always will be, a small footprint computer based on notebook components. Your bitchin' and moanin' won't change that. Go buy your HP and have fun.
 
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-No screen
-Keyboard included
-Mouse included
-Speakers included (although they're crappy)
-1GB of RAM
-160GB of HDD
-NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 with 256MB of dedicated memory
-Built in media card readers
-DVD+/-RW drive
-AMD Athlon 64+ 3800

So much more for half the price, except for a slower processor.

The only thing making me think about getting a Mac is Mac OS X and the beauty of the machine, but I'm not willing to pay 800$ for a computer with specs A LOT lower than one for a 100$ less.

Yes, my mom recently got me a $200 eMachine for Christmas
- No Monitor
- Keyboard Included
- Mouse Included
- 2GB DDR2 Ram
- Windows Vista Home Basic
- 320GB HDD

Even though the Mini's specs suck compared to that, I would still choose the current Mini over it.
Vista sucks. Period.
Plus, any Mac is more than likely to last you at least three or four years.
I suspect that eMachine to last me only 6 months.
 
Plus, any Mac is more than likely to last you at least three or four years.
I suspect that eMachine to last me only 6 months.

I had an eMachine for 4 years before buying my Powerbook, it ran for ~2 years after that with XP, which beats the pants off Vista any day. I get your point that cheap PCs aren't built to last, but it was a cheap machine that handled most of my computing except gaming (massive FAIL). Only 2 ram slots and 1 PCI slot; I guess that's more expansion than the mini tho :p At at least 1/10th the size of my eMachine, I can see how the Mini would be popular.
 
I had an eMachine for 4 years before buying my Powerbook, it ran for ~2 years after that with XP, which beats the pants off Vista any day. I get your point that cheap PCs aren't built to last, but it was a cheap machine that handled most of my computing except gaming (massive FAIL). Only 2 ram slots and 1 PCI slot; I guess that's more expansion than the mini tho :p

Well I'm glad your's lasted long.
I've heard other wise; from power supplies randomly being shot to hard drives failing within several months.
You're the minority.
The majority of people don't have as much luck with cheap PC's as you do.
 
Well I'm glad your's lasted long.
I've heard other wise; from power supplies randomly being shot to hard drives failing within several months.
You're the minority.
The majority of people don't have as much luck with cheap PC's as you do.

Yes, after mine started having trouble I researched those issues. It ended up succumbing to MB failure and I parted it out to make $ for my MBP. That's what I call turning lemons into lemonade :D
The 90 day warranty did kind of suck with those machines though :(
 
There's really no point in you following this thread, then. The Mini always has been, and always will be, a small footprint computer based on notebook components. Your bitchin' and moanin' won't change that. Go buy your HP and have fun.

There must be some point to him. It looks like he joined MR to post in this thread. :D
 
Any Mac Mini is still going to be crazy expensive compared to a PC desktop. I'd like to see the specs, but I'll prepare to be disappointed.

EDIT:

If those aren't high prices, I don't know what high prices are. Try cutting your prices in half. Then they'll be a bit more reasonable.

they don't have them at walmart for a reason you know...

apple's are a higher class of computer.

feel free to go to wally world and buy the 299 mini laptop. I sure you'll get great use out of it.
 
I hope there is a new MacMini in SF, I want one to go with my 24" LED Cinema Display.
 
In a recession, it's more critical that they deliver value.

I know that most of the people posting here are comfortable with the fact that Apple sometimes ships hardware for a greater price than comparatively spec'ed hardware from other manufacturers. But in these economic times, people are going to be more interested in getting the most of their money. Such was the case during the recession in 1992. During that time, I worked at a small computer store that sold Apple PCs. When Apple started losing sales, Apple's first reaction was to raise prices a bit. THAT started a decline (along with a couple of other factors) until Steve Jobs returned. People decided they would rather put up with Windows because it worked "well enough."

The point is that the greater market considers Apple's products as luxury items. During recessions, luxuries are the first things to be budgeted, and I think Apple's hardware business is particularly vulnerable to this. The great value in a Mac lies in OSX. It's simply the best, slickest, easily used UNIX that's out there. Power Users have access to over 30 years of UNIX stability and 3rd party programs and development tools and Casual Users never have to worry about what's behind the desktop.

To Apple's credit, some of their new computer offerings do match up favorably with comparatively spec'ed products - but not for long. Apple's hardware release schedules lag pathetically behind the Dells and HPs of the world and I submit that they need to address this more aggressively.

I think the new mini will have:
The fastest processor (Duo or Quad) with which they can still manufacture a SILENT computer. This is very important to Apple.

A discrete video chip solution. Intel X3100 is GARBAGE. It uses system RAM and performance lags well behind nVidia and ATI. My P4 mini uses a separate graphics processor and performs very well.

2-4 GB RAM / 800 MHz bus. OSX is nowhere near the system hog that Windows is, but sometimes we need the extra RAM to virtualize other OS's. I love and use OSX at home, but Windows pays the bills.

HDMI/DVI outout. It's a mini, and the selling point IS to connect it to a 3rd party keyboard/mouse/monitor.

Hard Drive - Does that really matter? Get the small one and upgrade yourself for much less $$$ (Goes for RAM, too).

USB, of course. Firewire? Good question. Bulk throughput is mostly the same on both, but Firewire has an advantage when you're making many small and frequent disk accesses due to processing circuits on the motherboard. But THAT adds cost, whereas USB relies on the CPU for communications processing.

Integrated Bluetooth / WiFi. I bought my P4 mini without it, so I had to use a bluetooth dongle and had to wire my house with CAT6 cable. The upside was wiring my house with CAT6!! :)

OSX Snow Leopard, or a coupon for the upgrade.

Of course, if they DONT offer a decent Mac Mini, maybe I WILL buy an iMac from the refurbished store and use my existing monitor as a second display...
 
To all the people who keep posting 'aluminum enclosure' .... Have you ever seen a current mac mini? If so what the he'll do you think it is made of ?
 
I think the new mini will have:
The fastest processor (Duo or Quad)

It'll have the processors from the newest MacBook.

A discrete video chip solution. Intel X3100 is GARBAGE. It uses system RAM and performance lags well behind nVidia and ATI. My P4 mini uses a separate graphics processor and performs very well.

It'll have the nVidia 9400M. In other words, integrated.

2-4 GB RAM / 800 MHz bus. OSX is nowhere near the system hog that Windows is, but sometimes we need the extra RAM to virtualize other OS's. I love and use OSX at home, but Windows pays the bills.

1GB standard, upgradable to 4.

HDMI/DVI outout. It's a mini, and the selling point IS to connect it to a 3rd party keyboard/mouse/monitor.

Mini DisplayPort with the Mini DisplayPort to DVI adapter in the box.


Hard Drive - Does that really matter? Get the small one and upgrade yourself for much less $$$ (Goes for RAM, too).
Oh, no. Being able to store files on your computer doesn't matter. 100GB on the base model, 160 on the top.

I'm not even going to touch FireWire. I don't expect it, though.

Integrated Bluetooth / WiFi. I bought my P4 mini without it, so I had to use a bluetooth dongle and had to wire my house with CAT6 cable. The upside was wiring my house with CAT6!! :)

It has that now...

OSX Snow Leopard, or a coupon for the upgrade.

Not unless you expect it to start shipping after WWDC in June.
 
It'll have the processors from the newest MacBook.

It'll have the nVidia 9400M. In other words, integrated.

1GB standard, upgradable to 4.

Mini DisplayPort with the Mini DisplayPort to DVI adapter in the box.

... 100GB on the base model, 160 on the top.

I'm not even going to touch FireWire. I don't expect it, though.

In other words, basically a headless/keyboard-less Macbook.
 
Yep. Exactly like what the current Mac Mini is, only not with the specs of the MacBooks from two years ago.

i think that is a pretty decent spec anyway the current MB are not bad at all.
I think a new mini would complement my MBP nicely as would be nice to have somewhere to store all my photos as my current mbp well failed at that (i have 8gb free and all my external drives are full)

*continues trying to convince himself he needs a mac mini*
 
I think there might be


If not a new one a speed bump.


It needs a bit of both really


then again they could kill it? still seeing these 'Mac Mini discontinued' rumors


I highly doubt it though
:apple:
 
I think there might be
If not a new one a speed bump.
It needs a bit of both really
then again they could kill it? still seeing these 'Mac Mini discontinued' rumors
I highly doubt it though
:apple:

Your posts are cool because they read like haikus, but please cut the spacing out. ;)

Does anyone else feel like saying "Burma-Shave" at the end of that?
 
If it goes DDR3 for the RAM, it's unlikely to have 1GB in the base model because I am not sure that there are any 512MB DDR3 SODIMMs around...

It's also unlikely that they will differentiate the graphics chipsets in the two models to obtain economies of scale.

I also think Firewire will remain because there isn't likely to be the space constraints that face the MacBook...

My guesses as to spec are therefore:

$599
2.0GHz Core 2 Duo
9400M GPU
2GB DDR3 RAM
120GB HDD
1xFW800
4xUSB2

$799
2.4GHz Core 2 Duo
9400M GPU
2GB DDR3 RAM
200GB HDD
1xFW800
4xUSB2

Basically headless MacBooks with Firewire.
 
When the mini was updated August of '07, Apple kept it a generation behind the MacBooks of that summer. I think it's very likely they'll do that again but I hope not.

Would you all prefer Apple to do that and offer the mini at $599; or go with the newest specs at $799. I just don't see a new mini with the specs of the newest MacBook going for $599, but I guess Apple could surprise us. :cool:
 
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