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New Mac Pro 8 Core and Tiger 10.4??

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Skiniftz said:
I just booted a brand new 2.8GHz 8 core Mac Pro (with a Radeon 2600 in it) into 10.4.11 over firewire from my 2.4GHz Santa Rosa MBP in target disk mode and it seems to work ok (including 30" Apple monitor).

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...no Quartz Extreme mind... and Expose is sluggish as a result but maybe a small price to pay for compatibility.
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So you do need an iMac to get it properly working.
I tried cloning, not just booting, from an SR MBP running 10.4.11 and the 2008 Mac Pro I'm using wouldn't finish booting - it dumped to the command line with the display flickering.

Also tried extracting the iMac 2600 drivers and then cloning again (this time from a 2007 Mac Pro). It booted further, but hung on a blue screen.

If anyone has got Tiger running (that means full 2600XT driver support) on a 2008 Mac Pro *without* cloning from an iMac I'd love to know how to do it, thanks.
 
BootY

So i have done many impossible mac deeds by cloning hard drives to make old g4s run tiger that never should and also backward compatibility with g5s that shouldn't work. I love carbon copy cloner. So i have a couple questions.

1. Pro tools user whos g5 dual 2 running tiger died on me, so dont get uppity you guys who hate on PT users for buying the best available gear and then are upset that digidesign doesn't just get there act together and update there software which has intel compatibility already
2. Now I have INtel Xeon Mac Pro Dual 2.8 i guess, haven't seen it yet, and im going to install tiger (gasp)
3. I have several boot partitions with tiger but all are PPC and won't boot on new mac pro
I have read less commonly that the switch from APT or some other type of formating to GPT (dont think these letters are correct) for hard disks is one of the reasons the mac pro won't recognize ( i understand the drivers are the main concern for booting) any of the g5's boot drives either enternal or external
4. Friend has an intel mac that has leopard now, but he still has the install disks - my plan was to install tiger on to one of my external hard drives using a g4 PPC with tiger

Questions
1. Does it need to be an actual clone of a boot system running tiger on an intel or can i simply install the operating system on to my firewire drive? This is really two questions. Will my old G4 be able to read the install disks and then furthermore accept the firewire drives as valid volumes for installation. Common issues would be that the g4 won't be able to boot from the intel based install dvds , or maybe not even recognize the format of the DVD on booting. I realize that i will be trying to install intel tiger on a PPC machine, but I won't be trying to run intel tiger on that machine.

2. If I target disk mode from the imac and then install tiger on to my firewire drive will that work? Meaning does it have to be a clone or can it be an installation of tiger for intel, and does it have to be the latest version?

Sorry lot of questions basically just want to know if the tiger installation disk that came with my buddies Imac will be enough to get tiger working on my machine.
 
mixtank said:
2. If I target disk mode from the imac and then install tiger on to my firewire drive will that work? Meaning does it have to be a clone or can it be an installation of tiger for intel, and does it have to be the latest version?

Sorry lot of questions basically just want to know if the tiger installation disk that came with my buddies Imac will be enough to get tiger working on my machine.
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If your friends imac owns a 2600 ati card, then maybe it might work, by installing tiger on a external (firewire or usb) harddrive (the installation being done on the intel imac of course).

phjo
 
do you think i can install it on my old g4? Instead of using my buddies imac to install.
 
worked on 8core 3.2ghz w/ NVIDIA Quadro FX 5600 1.5GB

used the 10.4 install discs for the aluminum imac. installed onto imac. made dmg of the hard disk. then restored the macpro 08 drive with that dmg.

booted up and worked perfect.

i guess the good news, is that now that i have a dmg of the working os for the macpro 08, i dont need to use an imac anymore.


also, i dont know if anyone tested this yet, but it actually worked with the NVIDIA Quadro FX 5600 1.5GB

so it was the 8 core 3.2ghz, NVIDIA Quadro FX 5600 1.5GB, 16GB ram, Raid Card recognized, 4 x 1tb hard drives, airport, bt.

easy as pie. apple :apple: pie.
 
Hey, Pathofkarma, or any one else out there, I'm in the same boat. My G5 just died. I don't have access to an iMac. Is there chance of getting a copy of a dmg? I would extremely grateful.
Tripit@earthlink.net
 
A NetRestore image of an Aluminium iMac installer would work the best. Imaging systems saves me so much time at work.
 
Hi Guys,

After loads of hardware-issues with my iMac I finally decided to change the iMac for a Macpro. Apple has agreed on the condition that I first send back the iMAc to get the Macpro. The good thing is that I have a tiger install disc for the iMAc.
So here is my question.: I'm a total newbiee regarding creating dmg out of a system, never done it. And now I only have a couple of days before TNT picks up the iMAc so I have to make this fast.

1. Can I make a DMG copy of the system with diskutility or do I need some other software?

2. When creating a DMG of the clean tiger-system, does the DMG then have the same size as the harddrive it came from (500gig) or does it only take up the space that the system took up on that drive. The reason I am asking is that I only have 50gigs on an external disc to spare.

3. Should I create a partition on an external drive where I place this DMG file or not?

I know these question must seem very basic to you and hope any of you have the pasciense and kindness to help me out.
 
I do know that the Aluminum iMacs will support 10.4.8 and higher, as well as 10.5 (which they all/only ship with now). I purchased my 20" iMac 2.0GHz during the transition phase, right after Oct 26, 2007...and it came with both the Grey Tiger system discs as well as an included set of Leopard discs. In a way I dearly miss Tiger...in its final builds it was stable and zippy...and I am getting alot of crashes (applicated quit unexp.) in Leopard, even in 10.5.2...but there are a ton of new features, and Leopard has many advantages in some ways, alot of great new Finder features, and fully 64-bit operability.

As far as Leopard on the Mac Pro...the 2006 Mac Pros (1st gen) all shipped with Tiger...10.4.6 I believe. The 8-core machines all ship and come pre-installed with Leopard, and...as far as I understand from reading manuals, specs, and messageboards, 10.5.1 is the lowest system supported on the 8-Core Mac Pro.

Echoes of above-said responses...
-Ward
 
Thanx Wardc for trying to help out though it doesn't get me further.
The only way to get a perfect tiger system on the new macs with the 2600xt card is by creating a DMG out of an iMac with Tiger (since it also has a 2600 card) though this is is not officially supported by apple.

I personally need to run Tiger for certain software compatibility so this is why I urgently need to make this DMG before my iMac ships off.

If anyone could answer my 3 question two posts earlier I would be increadibly greatful.

Thanx
 
pelai said:
Thanx Wardc for trying to help out though it doesn't get me further.
The only way to get a perfect tiger system on the new macs with the 2600xt card is by creating a DMG out of an iMac with Tiger (since it also has a 2600 card) though this is is not officially supported by apple.

I personally need to run Tiger for certain software compatibility so this is why I urgently need to make this DMG before my iMac ships off.

If anyone could answer my 3 question two posts earlier I would be increadibly greatful.

Thanx
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From what I understand, you can use an ATI 2600 card in the older Mac Pro line, which WILL support 10.4 (Tiger) -- I believe you can do this without a hitch. However, you will be unable to use an 8800GT in the older Mac Pro because it's PCIe 1.0 and not 2.0, which is the standard for the newer Harpertowns.

What I am guessing is that you already have a 2008 model, with a 2600XT card, and you are wishing to run Tiger on it. There is probably a hack, a workaround...to let you do this...but it would take some hacking, possibly taking a 10.4.x installer disk and tweaking the installer to let you do this, or possibly fooling your firmware into thinking you have an older series Mac Pro. The installer basically checks your firmware, which shows the version (of Mac Pro) firmware that is running on the ROMs in your box. The firmware IS hackable...IS tweakable...but any such exercise would definately void your warranty and is not recommended by me nor anyone. Just telling you -- it's possible to do it, if you have the know-how, but I don't know anybody who's tried it.

Maybe you could use a program like VMWare or Parallels to run a "virtual" system of Tiger on your box. That may be possible, I have no info on this, nor do I know if anybody's done it...but theoretically it could work. May take some hacking, as well.

Again...I DO believe you can run a 2600XT card on the older Mac Pros, which will run Tiger (that's the system they come with). Wait, YES they do...just found this. You can run a 2600XT on an older-gen Mac Pro -- AND run Tiger!!

From Apple Store Reviews:

"Just swapped this one in replacement of my sick x1900. While the card is half the size, half the noise, half the RAM -- it does work! No more blue lines, or other screen issues (i.e. system freezing). This one does the job, and I appreciate the low heat emissions as well (my legs were perspiring under the desk. Forget the x1900, get this card.

And FYI it works on Mac Pros that do not have the newer PCI slot."

Check it, here:

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APP...op_mac/mac_accessories/displays&nplm=MB198Z/A

Again, good luck with Tiger on a Harpertown. It may be a bit of a struggle or long road to get it to work, or you may have no luck at all. But you can run Tiger and the 2600XT on the old Mac Pro.

-Ward
 
iMac to Mac Pro dmg process

pelai said:
Hi Guys,

After loads of hardware-issues with my iMac I finally decided to change the iMac for a Macpro. Apple has agreed on the condition that I first send back the iMAc to get the Macpro. The good thing is that I have a tiger install disc for the iMAc.
So here is my question.: I'm a total newbiee regarding creating dmg out of a system, never done it. And now I only have a couple of days before TNT picks up the iMAc so I have to make this fast.

1. Can I make a DMG copy of the system with diskutility or do I need some other software?

2. When creating a DMG of the clean tiger-system, does the DMG then have the same size as the harddrive it came from (500gig) or does it only take up the space that the system took up on that drive. The reason I am asking is that I only have 50gigs on an external disc to spare.

3. Should I create a partition on an external drive where I place this DMG file or not?

I know these question must seem very basic to you and hope any of you have the pasciense and kindness to help me out.
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1. You can make the dmg using Apple Disk Utility. Just select your iMac Hard Drive in Disk Utility and click the 'Create Image' button. It is best to create the Image File to an external Hard Drive. You can also 'Clone' your iMac Hard Drive to an external Hard Drive using Retrospect, Personal Backup X4, or one of many other backup programs. You will find shareware programs like 'Carbon Copy Cloner' recommended on many boards, but I have had nothing but trouble with all of the shareware 'Cloning' programs - it is much better to buy a 'real' backup program like Retrospect or Personal Backup X4 to 'Clone' or backup drives.

2. The dmg ONLY takes as much space as necessary - you DO NOT have to worry about the original Hard Drive size or the target Hard Drive size.

3. You do not have to create partitions. You just have to have an available Hard Drive to 'uncompress' the dmg file to (You cannot install the dmg to the Mac Pro startup disk unless you are running the Mac Pro in Target Disk mode from another Mac).

What I found was the easiest was to put the Hard Drive that I intended for my Mac Pro startup drive into a temporary external hard drive case, then 'Cloned' the iMac Hard Drive to this external drive, and then removed the bare drive from the external case and installed it in my Mac Pro. The Mac Pro has been running without incident for over two months.

PS - MAKE SURE you fully update your iMac hard drive to OS X 10.4.11 before making the dmg or Cloning it.

I personally prefer Personal Backup X4 for Cloning and Backup, and you can download it from Intego's web site (www.intego.com)

Good Luck, Joe
 
Thank You Joe for your well-explained and clear answers.

TNT should be coming to pick up the iMac tuesday or wednesday so I should be able to pull this off on time.

I have a couple of questions again though, hahha!

1. You say the Macpro will only install the DMG if in target mode from another mac. I have a PPC iMag G5, would this do or does it have to be an intel mac?

2. You recommend cloning the drive in an empty shell. I have a firewire 800 hotswap double enclosure. So it would be fairly simpe to do it your way if I buy myself a drive that I will later insert and use as bootdrive on the macpro.
But later when I would like to do a clean reinstallation of the Tigersystem, should I make a DMG now anyways to always have as clean backup or should I make two clones instead? So I always have a clean clone to work from?

3.You say I should not worry about the DMG size as it has nothing to do with the harddrives size. Is this the same for clones? Or will I have to create a clone as large as the drive I am cloning from?

Thanx for your software tips and answers once again!
 
pelai said:
Thank You Joe for your well-explained and clear answers.

TNT should be coming to pick up the iMac tuesday or wednesday so I should be able to pull this off on time.

I have a couple of questions again though, hahha!

1. You say the Macpro will only install the DMG if in target mode from another mac. I have a PPC iMag G5, would this do or does it have to be an intel mac?

2. You recommend cloning the drive in an empty shell. I have a firewire 800 hotswap double enclosure. So it would be fairly simpe to do it your way if I buy myself a drive that I will later insert and use as bootdrive on the macpro.
But later when I would like to do a clean reinstallation of the Tigersystem, should I make a DMG now anyways to always have as clean backup or should I make two clones instead? So I always have a clean clone to work from?

3.You say I should not worry about the DMG size as it has nothing to do with the harddrives size. Is this the same for clones? Or will I have to create a clone as large as the drive I am cloning from?

Thanx for your software tips and answers once again!
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1. I believe the iMac G5 should work fine, but I am not 100% sure. The reason I mentioned target disk mode is because you can't install the dmg unto the startup disk - if you have another disk in the Mac Pro besides the startup disk, then you can probably install the dmg unto the second disk without using target disk mode.

2. Personally, this is the way I would recommend doing it. Since you have access to a drive case, this is the most foolproof method. And yes, like you mentioned, I made TWO Clones to two different 500GB Hard Drives just so that I would have a 'virgin' OS X 10.4.11 boot drive in case I wanted to start again from scratch. Just make sure you partition the drive using the GUID Partition Table (and NOT the Apple Partition Map) - this is required for a boot drive for any Intel Mac.

3. Yes, Clones work the same way. As long as the drive you are cloning to has enough space you are good to go. You can Clone a 1TB drive to a 250GB drive as long as there is less than 250GBs of data on the 1TB drive.

Joe
 
Thanx again Joe for taking the time and for sharing your knowledge. You are a lifesaver!

So cloning it is! Tomorrow I'm off purchasing some drives then!

Thanx you!
 
pelai said:
Thanx again Joe for taking the time and for sharing your knowledge. You are a lifesaver!

So cloning it is! Tomorrow I'm off purchasing some drives then!

Thanx you!
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Not so fast. Cloning an iMac G5 to a new Mac Pro will not work, it's the Intel Aluminium iMac we've been talking about...
Even if it did work, you don't need to go out and buy extra hard drives to clone one Mac to another.

There's some incorrect advice in this thread: caveat emptor.
 
Hi Guys!

It seems I have confused you.

I have the Alu iMac 24" 2.8 with the 2600 graphics card. After some hardware problem for the last 6 months and 3 exchanges Apple has agreed to swap the iMac for a Macpro. The condition: I send back the Alumac first and recieve the Macpro later.

The plan is installing Tiger on the Macpro (2008 revision).

What I also have is an older iMac, G5, hence the confusion. And Postguru mentioned that the only way to install the DMG image (that I will make of the tigersystem of the Alu-imac before shipping it off) would be by booting the macpro in targetmode into another mac with the DMG.

Now, I will most probably not use my iMac g5 for this task since the DMG-way might not work. The cloning part seems very appealing though and that's what I will try out.
 
Just joining the thread now - I also have a need to run Pro Tools in the Tiger environment on my fairly new Jan. '08 Mac Pro.

So pelai, any success with either cloning or creating a dmg of a clean install of Tiger from your Aluminum iMac (Mid 2007)? Any chance that you could post that somewhere for the rest of us? My appreciation would be indescribable. I've been at it for over a month now, trying to make this happen, chasing down false leads, etc., obviously unsuccessfully.

Also, if anyone else has the ability to post a dmg of the OS online for the rest of us, I'm sure we'd all greatly appreciate it.

Thanks all.
 
Hi Salt.

I managed to make two DMG's and one clone to be on the safe side. the iMac has shipped off but I won't recieve my Macpro for another 1-2 weeks. So no chance of testing it yet.

If I can help any of you guys out PM with your email and we'll discuss somewhere else.


Pelai
 
ATI 2600XT driver for 10.4.11 with out Imac

Thanks you all for the notes and the detail guide. I found the solution. I work for a University and we went through the problem this week and found a solution that work. We had to install the Apple iMac Software Update - 1.2.1 using Pacifist - 2.5.2 in order to bypass the Imac only installation and then applying the 10.4.11 combo update. This process installs the correct driver for ATI 2600XT and activates the Quartz Extreme.
 
JorgeM said:
Thanks you all for the notes and the detail guide. I found the solution. I work for a University and we went through the problem this week and found a solution that work. We had to install the Apple iMac Software Update - 1.2.1 using Pacifist - 2.5.2 in order to bypass the Imac only installation and then applying the 10.4.11 combo update. This process installs the correct driver for ATI 2600XT and activates the Quartz Extreme.
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JorgeM, could you kindly outline the steps you took to get this to work? As per my earlier post I tried using a similar method but my test 2008 Mac Pro would not boot properly.

Because of this problem I've bought a few old model Mac Pros (and MacBooks) so we can continue deploying our Tiger build in the meantime.
 
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