New Mac Pro 8 Core and Tiger 10.4??

[fiercetiger224]

*Sigh* My attempts at installing Tiger on a 3.0GHz Quad (2006) with EFI and SMC updates have failed.

This took forever to do, and I could basically write 5 pages about it, but I will keep it brief.

I have a 750GB FireWire HD, I partitioned it into 2 equal halves. One half I used to backup my iMac Leopard drive with all the files, and the other half was saved as a Tiger mirror image partition.

I wiped the iMac drive and did a clean install of Tiger from it's 10.4.10 discs. I then ran the updates, did this 4 times and updated everything to current, 10.4.11 and all the latest updates.

I then mirrored this drive with the fresh Tiger 10.4.11 from the iMac (alum 2.0GHz) to the FireWire Tiger partition.

Then, I hooked the FireWire drive to a MacBook Pro and made a .dmg file from the Tiger mirror image drive partition of the FireWire drive. This image was just over 5.1GB in size.

I then burned the .dmg file (as a file) to a dual-layer DVD from the MacBook Pro. Then copied this file to the Mac Pro Leopard drive, and wiped my 250GB extra drive and mirror copied the Tiger .dmg image file to this drive. Startup Disk in Prefs recognized the 10.4.11 so I selected this to boot. Then rebooted.

Then I get this:

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Then I hold the power button to turn off, and turn back on and try a few more times. Then I try holding the option key at startup and it doesn't give me an option of discs to boot. Tried holding the eject CD key and the drive wouldn't eject. I manually took out the DVD/CD drive and put a paperclip in, and inserted the Leopard DVD to try to get it to boot. Ended up having to remove the 250GB disk that was causing the kernal panic. Then it booted. Selected my original Leopard boot again to be boot disc...then shutdown. Re-inserted 250GB drive back in bay, booted OK now, back to Leopard disc.

Apparently it doesn't like my 10.4.11 I got on there.

Also, any help comprehending that panic would be helpful.
-Ward

Hmm...Interesting. I guess you really need those install discs specifically for the Mac Pro. Looks like Apple has done some fancy stuff to prevent you from installing other builds other than the one that was designed for your computer. Kinda sucks. I liked the old PowerPC days where it didn't matter which computer you installed your OS on...It just all worked.

Mode Note: No you can't

 

[WardC]

Hmm...Interesting. I guess you really need those install discs specifically for the Mac Pro. Looks like Apple has done some fancy stuff to prevent you from installing other builds other than the one that was designed for your computer. Kinda sucks. I liked the old PowerPC days where it didn't matter which computer you installed your OS on...It just all worked.

cool. Would be much (super) appreciated. I just need like the 10.4.6 or 10.4.7 Tiger discs that came with the original Mac Pros. I got my box refurb from Apple and it only came with the Leopard 10.5.1 disc, and Leopard installed on the HD. These discs are really difficult to find, I scoured eBay last night, found alot of iMac, Mini, and MBP Tiger discs, but nothing for the Mac Pro. The problem is that the boxed Tiger is a PPC-upgrade from 10.3...that won't run on an intel Mac. The only Tiger you can get for an intel Mac is basically the system discs that come with the machine...and as of Oct 2007, all new Macs and refurbs all ship with 10.5...so it's pretty hard to find. Basically 10.4.6, 10.4.7, 10.4.8 intel is what I am looking for, for my Woodcrest (2006) -- it needs to be able to drive the Radeon x1900.

 

[jahbz]

My Tiger installation on my Jan 08 Mac Pro shows the correct RAM (currently 6GBs) - all the RAM slots show up correctly in the Profiler.

You MUST make your Tiger Image File from an ALUMINUM iMac - NOT just an Intel iMac. I suspect that your Disk Image was NOT from an Aluminum iMac.

If you read MY threads you will get correct info on getting your Mac Pro to run 100% correct with Tiger.

Joe

Hi joe

It is a Aluminum iMac! 24" whit 10.4.11
And the Ram slots show´s in the profiler like they should..
It just dont wanna see all my memory.- and did try different ram modules etc..
anyways ill proberly find a solution at some point or redo the clone.

 

[postguru]

Hi joe

It is a Aluminum iMac! 24" whit 10.4.11
And the Ram slots show´s in the profiler like they should..
It just dont wanna see all my memory.- and did try different ram modules etc..
anyways ill proberly find a solution at some point or redo the clone.

Do you still have the original Leopard startup disk?
If you do, I would boot into Leopard and check the RAM. It could be that you have bad RAM, or it could be that there is a problem with the main motherboard. If Leopard also fails to see your memory then you need to swap the known good memory with the memory that isn't 'seen' to verify that it is not a memory problem. After swapping the memory to different slots, if your Mac Pro still shows the same thing as it did before the swap, then you have a bad motherboard.
Actually, you can do the memory swap test without rebooting with Leopard.
Also - the order that additional memory is installed in the Mac Pro is VERY important - so make sure the additional memory is installed according to Apple's Mac Pro rules.

Joe

 

[davecc]

The complete process is as follow:

1- You will need an Intel Mac machine pre 10.5 with Mac OS 10.4.11, Apple iMac Software Update - 1.2.1, Pacifist - 2.5.2 and the Mac OS 10.4.11 update combo for Intel.
2- Capture a image of the ild Intel machine running 10.4.11 using disk utilities
3- Now you need to deploy the image to the Jan 2008 Mac Pro using your favorite method, I recommend using target disk mode to mount the 2008 Mac Pro drive on the other machine.
4- Once the image is deployed it will boot, but it will not have the driver for the ATI 2600XT video card and Quartz Extreme will show as not supported in the System Profiler preventing FCPS, AVID etc. from running. Using Pacifist open the Apple iMac Software Update - 1.2.1 and select the install option (DO NOT RESTART THE STATION AFTER THIS STEP) Using Pacifist bypass the security feature of the installer that only allows it to install on the Imac but if you restart the machine it will not boot and it is very important that you do not restart.
5- Install the Mac OS 10.4.11 combo and press restart when the installation is done.
6- Your done, when the machine re-boot all the options for the display will be available and the Quartz Extreme will show as being supported.


drlunanerd,

If the machine you mention is not booting after installing the Imac software you can target mode the machine to another and run the Mac OS X 10.4.11 combo update to resolve and complete process. You must use the 10.4.11 combo which is 321.5MB and not the regular one which is 128MB. I hope this help.

Hi JorgeM,

I have both a MacPro 2.6 (Tiger bootable) and a new MacPro 2.8(Leopard Only). I made a Tiger clone (10.4.11) from the MacPro 2.6 which I cloned to a second drive on the Newer MacPro and it booted but without the correct drivers.

Do I have to make a 10.4.10 clone before using your method or the 10.4.11 will also work? The reason that I am asking is because I am a little bit confused whey I have to reapply the 10.4.11 intel combo updater.


Regards,
David

 

[drlunanerd]

Hi JorgeM,

I have both a MacPro 2.6 (Tiger bootable) and a new MacPro 2.8(Leopard Only). I made a Tiger clone (10.4.11) from the MacPro 2.6 which I cloned to a second drive on the Newer MacPro and it booted but without the correct drivers.

Do I have to make a 10.4.10 clone before using your method or the 10.4.11 will also work? The reason that I am asking is because I am a little bit confused whey I have to reapply the 10.4.11 intel combo updater.


Regards,
David

I tried Jorge's method and it just doesn't work. If anyone else other than Jorge can prove they got it working with the correct graphics drivers I'd be happy to hear from them.

Until then the fact is you still need to start from an Alu iMac running Tiger to clone from. QED.

 

[davecc]

I tried Jorge's method and it just doesn't work. If anyone else other than Jorge can prove they got it working with the correct graphics drivers I'd be happy to hear from them.

Until then the fact is you still need to start from an Alu iMac running Tiger to clone from. QED.

I'll still give it a try and see what happens. I hope someone has a way for us to download a DMG from an iMac with Tiger.

 

[KptIglo]

last question for me, just to be sure:

the 10.4.11 alu imac image will only work with the 2600xt card, right?
so the 8800 is unsupported and there's no chance to get it fully work cause of the missing driver and there's no other intel mac out there, which has a tiger version with included driver, right?

thx again!

 

[postguru]

Tiger video card support on Jan 08 Mac Pro

last question for me, just to be sure:

the 10.4.11 alu imac image will only work with the 2600xt card, right?
so the 8800 is unsupported and there's no chance to get it fully work cause of the missing driver and there's no other intel mac out there, which has a tiger version with included driver, right?

thx again!

Yes, you are correct. There is no way I know of to correctly support any video card other than the stock Radeon 2600.
Just for everyone's info, I have been working with another fellow who is now successfully running Pro Tools HD3 under Tiger on the Jan Mac Pro. He also has a Leopard partition and has been testing the Pro Tools HD3 under Tiger AND Leopard (Digidesign has updated Pro Tools HD3 for Leopard, but they haven't yet updated Pro Tools LE). He has found that Pro Tools HD3 runs EXTREMELY better under Tiger than it does under Leopard on the Jan 08 Mac Pro, and the last time I spoke with him he was seriously considering dumping his Leopard partition and using it as a backup for his Tiger disk.
We have found one minor glitch, and that is that Tiger appears to 'reverse' the video ports on the Mac Pro. The Aluminum iMac Radeon video driver apparently is set up opposite the Mac Pro video driver because port 1 and port 2 on the video card are reversed. All this means is that if you run a second monitor, the secondary monitor will show up as the primary monitor until the Mac has finished booting, at which time the monitors will work exactly as you have them set in the Display Control Panel. This is a very minor issue - the worst thing that will happen is that when you select 'About This Mac' the window will appear on the secondary monitor instead of the primary monitor.

Leopard still has serious problems for us 'Pro' users, it seems as though Leopard is only great for those users who are first time Mac owners - and not for power users that need the serious Video, Graphic, and Music apps. My wife's Jan Mac Pro has not crashed ONCE since January running Tiger with Final Cut Studio, Motion, After Effects CS3, Adobe CS1, CS2, CS3, and tons of other apps.

Joe

 

[cedman72]

maybe stupid but....

Hi all,

i've been reading the whole thread quite interrested, cause i have ordered a new 8core for a new protools system. we are running protools on 8 older macpros and i hoped this upgrade would not be such a mess...
I had an idea: what about purchasing an older fanless 7300 gt like the standard gfx in the 2007 macpros? You can get them for 50€ on ebay!
If the problem is only the much too loud 2600XT, then just kick it out!

Protools is not that graphic intensiv stuff, and the system is very quiet running the old nvidia... Has anyone tried? Or is it not only the gfxcard?

Thank you, regards.

 

[RythmIQ]

Where do I begin!

I bought a brand new 8 core Mac it came pre-loaded with 10.5.2. I used Pro Tools M-Powered 7.3 and an M-Audio 1814 interface that gets its clocking from an Apogee Rosetta 200. (this is for the audio guys).

Anyway, pro tools does not yet support 10.5.2 and the m-audio driver that was out was in beta for 10.5.2 and did not work right.

Before this I was using my MacBook Pro with 10.4.9 on it and it worked perfectly through the same setup (PT 7.3, M-audio 1814 driver 1.8.2).

So my goal was, get back to 10.4 and like all you other people out there I found out this was way easier said then done.

Anyway I contacted apple who said that buying a copy of 10.4 would work. I called my mac friend and he said it would not because it didnt ship with the drivers for the 8 core. I attempted to load up several version of osx 10.4 and none of them worked because they were for different hardware. I forget the error but it went something like can not load software on this computer and it would happen during the introduction of setup before you get to any configurable options in setup.

ANYWAY, the good news is me and my mac expert figured out a nice trick. Mac Os X Server 10.4.8 will work perfectly fine on the apple 8 core's cause it comes with the driver. So if you can get your hands on OS X Server you can run it on 10.4.8 + apply patches to 10.4.9 or whatever you want. For me my setup that is optimal is the following (its running very stable).

Mac 8 core (667mhz model) running OS X Server 10.4.9, Pro Tools M-powered 7.3, and M-audio driver 1.8.2.

This setup works like a charm. Hope this helps someone.

RythmIQ

 

[barshow]

ANYWAY, the good news is me and my mac expert figured out a nice trick. Mac Os X Server 10.4.8 will work perfectly fine on the apple 8 core's cause it comes with the driver. So if you can get your hands on OS X Server you can run it on 10.4.8 + apply patches to 10.4.9 or whatever you want. For me my setup that is optimal is the following (its running very stable).
RythmIQ

just wondering, doesn't the Server Version require a password to function?

 

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