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Only 4 gb Ram?

Hi.

i did an Intel iMac clone install on my Mac pro (jan08) and it works great.
The only problem is that it only shows 4 gb ram and i have installed 8 gb?
Did anyone experience this? i know the iMac have a max of 4gb ram so maybe that it the reason?
Did anyone get their installation to show more than 4gb ram?

Thanks
 
Hi.

i did an Intel iMac clone install on my Mac pro (jan08) and it works great.
The only problem is that it only shows 4 gb ram and i have installed 8 gb?
Did anyone experience this? i know the iMac have a max of 4gb ram so maybe that it the reason?
Did anyone get their installation to show more than 4gb ram?

Thanks

so the ati drivers are installed correctly?
how did you make the imac clone?

do i need an intel imac or is it working when i get the intel imac tiger disk and install it via target mode from my macbook on the macpro?
 
ok, i don't get the ati drivers installed correctly :-(
i've searched around and found the imac intel tiger disk and a tiger ub server disk too.
does one of them helps me?

so, what i have:

- macbook c2d with 10.4.10
- early macpro with one leo hd and another one with the running 10.4.11 system but without the ati 2600 support
- macpro tiger install dvd's from the older 2006 macpro
- intel imac tiger install dvd's

is there a chance to get a working tiger system on the macpro with it?
if so, howwwww?

or is the easier way to buy a x1900 card?
 
is there a chance to get a working tiger system on the macpro with it?
if so, howwwww?

The only thing that should do the job is to boot from an Aluminium iMac Tiger image. The alu iMac 20 & 24" are the only ones supplied with a 2600 XT.

Read the posts for instructions.
 
The only thing that should do the job is to boot from an Aluminium iMac Tiger image. The alu iMac 20 & 24" are the only ones supplied with a 2600 XT.

Read the posts for instructions.

hi!

first, i've read hundreds of threads regarding this problem.
and in the instruction from jorgem there is talk of an imac.
but what's the deal when i only got the imac alu dvd's but no imac?

so i don't know if it's possible and if so, what's exactly to do?
any help is very appreciated cause i need to run the mac in the next days....

thx alot and best regards
 
Yes - my installation shows more than 4 GB RAM

Hi.

i did an Intel iMac clone install on my Mac pro (jan08) and it works great.
The only problem is that it only shows 4 gb ram and i have installed 8 gb?
Did anyone experience this? i know the iMac have a max of 4gb ram so maybe that it the reason?
Did anyone get their installation to show more than 4gb ram?

Thanks

My Tiger installation on my Jan 08 Mac Pro shows the correct RAM (currently 6GBs) - all the RAM slots show up correctly in the Profiler.

You MUST make your Tiger Image File from an ALUMINUM iMac - NOT just an Intel iMac. I suspect that your Disk Image was NOT from an Aluminum iMac.

If you read MY threads you will get correct info on getting your Mac Pro to run 100% correct with Tiger.

Joe
 
You MUST make your Tiger Image File from an ALUMINUM iMac......

damn!!!!

ok, is it possible that someone plz upload such an image to piratebay or any other side?
it's not a big deal and for this short time absolutely safe, if someone is afraid of all the disinformation from the media.

i'm in germany, if someone would send me the burned image via usps, i can upload the image for many others out there, who really really needs it like me!!!

pm me if someone is willing to upload the image and need assistance or to get my postal address for old school mailing.

would be extremely helpful cause i only got the discs from the alu imac, but no one i know has such a machine :-(

thx alot
 
any help is very appreciated cause i need to run the mac in the next days

hi!

first, i've read hundreds of threads regarding this problem.
and in the instruction from jorgem there is talk of an imac.
but what's the deal when i only got the imac alu dvd's but no imac?

so i don't know if it's possible and if so, what's exactly to do?
any help is very appreciated cause i need to run the mac in the next days....

thx alot and best regards

OK - I am going to do this ONE MORE TIME, and ONE TIME ONLY.

I am doing this as a FAVOR, I am EXTREMELY BUSY and do not have time to spend my life correcting Apple's f**ckups.

If you read the posts from me (postguru), you will find detailed instructions on installing Tiger on your Jan 08 Mac Pro.

But here is the summary of the posts -

DO NOT STRAY from these instructions - there ARE other methods such as the one detailed by jorgem - but these other methods are NOT for beginners, and they have not been very successful for the majority of users if you read the posts.

OK, here you go -

1). This is MOST important! You MUST start with an ALUMINUM iMac with a Radeon 2600XT card - which leaves out the 2.0 GHz iMac since it only has a Radeon 2400. The 2.0 GHz iMac MIGHT work, but I have not tested it and the purpose of this post is to give you instructions on what DEFINITELY WILL WORK, not what MIGHT work! I personally used the 24" Aluminum iMac, and this is the ONLY model that I will GUARANTEE to work.

2). You must have a successful installation of Tiger on this iMac, and update it to 10.4.11

You have two options on the next step - so I numbered them 3A and 3B - you can choose either one, although I prefer 3A

3A). Put the Hard Drive that you want to use as the Mac Pro startup Drive into an external Firewire case, and then 'Clone' the iMac Hard Drive to the external Firewire drive. You can use one of several utilities for this and probably the most popular one is Carbon Copy Cloner, but I have NOT had much success with Carbon Copy Cloner myself, so I prefer Personal Backup X4 from Intego. You can download a 30 day trial from www.intego.com if you don't want to buy it. Then all you need to do is install this 'Cloned' Hard Drive in your Mac Pro and your are DONE! You will have a PERFECTLY good Tiger boot disk with EVERYTHING working, including Quartz Extreme, support for ALL the RAM, even MULTIPLE monitor support!

3B). Make an Image File of this iMac's Hard Drive (a dmg file). To do this, you MUST be booted from an external hard drive (which means you would have to make a Clone of your iMac's internal Hard Drive just like in step 3A above anyway - which is why I recommend using 3A). Then create the dmg file on the external Hard Drive using Disk Utility.
Once you have the dmg file, you can use ANY PPC or Intel Mac with Firewire to install the DMG file to your Mac Pro. Either copy the dmg file to the Mac that you will be using, or simply use the external hard drive that you wrote the dmg file to. Hook up this Mac to your Mac Pro using Target Disk Mode, and then install the dmg file unto your Mac Pro's Hard Drive using Disk Utility. Once the dmg is installed, your are DONE! You will have a PERFECTLY good Tiger boot disk with EVERYTHING working, including Quartz Extreme, support for ALL the RAM, even MULTIPLE monitor support!

A few points to note -

1). You CANNOT use the Tiger install disks from your Mac Book Pro, your Intel iMac, your pre-08 Mac Pro, or ANY MAC for that matter - you are just asking for trouble if you try this.
You may get a 'partially' correct Tiger install, but that is all - and it will never work correctly.

2). I have helped NUMEROUS Pro Tools users to setup their 08 Mac Pros with Tiger, and they are all working fine. One fellow even drove 4 hours to my home to copy my Image File, and his system is working fine (this was 'Salt').

3). I have offered to post this Image File to a file hosting site if anyone has a paid subsciption to a site that can handle uploading and hosting a 6GB file. I have had several suggestions to this post - none of which are acceptable. I am offering this as a favor, and as I am extremely busy trying to make a living and live my own life, I posted this offer with the intention of finding someone that has access to a PAID subscription to any decent file hosting site. In this case, it is a simple task for me to upload the dmg file for all to use.
But I have gotten suggestions ranging from 'stripping' down the system by removing all the printer drivers, other language support, and 'junk', to splitting the file into 100MG pieces, to downloading and using a free 'torrent' client.
I am sure that those making these suggestions are doing so with the best intentions, but they are NOT practical - as everyone of these suggestions will take up MORE of my time just to do - I am NOT a high school student sitting at home with nothing but time on my hands!
My wife has ALREADY jumped all over me because of all the time I have already spent getting her Mac Pro working with Tiger and then for all the time I have spent helping others get their Mac Pros running, and I haven't even finished my Taxes yet.
So - my offer still stands - but ONLY if someone has a hosting site that I can SIMPLY upload my dmg file to.

NOTE - This is my last post on this subject - if you decide NOT to follow these intructions and get into trouble, caveat emptor!

PS - If you are following these instructions and have a question, I WILL reply to answer your question.

Good Luck All,
Joe
 
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I have a 20" Aluminum but it's the 2.0GHz one with 128MB of VRAM, the lower video card...the base model. Do you think the included Tiger CDs will work to make a clone for setting up a Mac Pro Tiger Boot disk (ie do you think the CDs with this model have the included drivers)

Thanks,
-Ward
 
I have a 20" Aluminum but it's the 2.0GHz one with 128MB of VRAM, the lower video card...the base model. Do you think the included Tiger CDs will work to make a clone for setting up a Mac Pro Tiger Boot disk (ie do you think the CDs with this model have the included drivers)

Thanks,
-Ward

Ward. Please read the post right above you as your question has already been answered.
 
Okay, I've just finished trying a few things on a 2006 Model Mac Pro (Woodcrest Quad 3.0GHz).

Yes, 2006 model. and running into problems. TOO.

I am attempting a 10.4 install on this Machine, and I'm running into trouble.

My guess is since it's had all the EFI and SMC firmware updates, plus it's running 10.5.2 now, it seems to be rejecting 10.4 altogether, from DVD-install at least.

So far, I've tried a boxed copy of 10.4 -- no go: "This software cannot be installed on this Mac"

Same thing with a 10.4.10 set of discs that came with my 2.0GHz iMac. I have an extra hard drive in my Mac Pro which I'm not using, so I thought I'd try to get a Tiger disk installation on there so I could switch back to Tiger or at least run some tests to compare performance.

I knew you guys with '08 Mac Pros would run into problems getting any version of Tiger to install, but I figured I could at least run it on mine, since Tiger was the "new thing" in 2006. LOL. I guess I was wrong.

Next thing I'll try: Installing a version of Tiger 10.4.10 on an external USB2 HD from my iMac, running all the updates to bring it up to 10.4.11. Then, I'll try cloning the drive to one of my Mac Pro internal drives and attempt the boot. Hope it works.

I'll keep you updated,
-Ward
 
Update:

Well I am running into some more problems here. I attemped to install Tiger 10.4.10 using the aluminum iMac system install disks, and the installer told me that I could not install on the external USB2 drive because it could not be used as a boot disk

I also tried creating an image file and installing to the image file, but ran into the same problem as well. The installer would not let me install OS X to the image file, it said it could not use it to boot.

Seems like the only option is to use the iMac to install Tiger to a bootable drive on the unit, and then clone from that. That's what I'll try next.

Keep you updated,
-Ward
 
It looks like the ONLY option is that we have is to install everything from an Aluminum iMac Tiger install disc. I've already tried every variation from any Tiger install disc (such as installing 10.4.6 onto a Macbook, then updating it to 10.4.10, booting up on an Aluminum iMac, applying drivers and update, etc.) onto an Aluminum iMac, cloning that onto a Mac Pro drive, and get the garbled screen at bootup.

So in conclusion, YOU MUST HAVE THE ORIGINAL ALUMINUM IMAC TIGER INSTALL DISCS! Otherwise, this procedure to installing Tiger onto early 2008 Mac Pros will not work! The Aluminum iMac that I purchased shipped with Leopard installed with Leopard installation discs, therefore, I did not receive the original Tiger discs. I'm planning on purchasing these from Ebay, although, they're EXTREMELY hard to find.

If anyone has these installation discs, and can upload these, please let me know! Preferably Brokenstones torrent tracker, so everyone can share it! :)

Update:

Well I am running into some more problems here. I attemped to install Tiger 10.4.10 using the aluminum iMac system install disks, and the installer told me that I could not install on the external USB2 drive because it could not be used as a boot disk

Actually, you can't boot from a USB 2.0 drive, only from FireWire. So if you have a FireWire enclosure, throw that drive into that enclosure, and then you can install 10.4.10 onto that drive.

Can I ask you a question? Could you upload those discs for everyone to share? Only wishful thinking... :(
 
Well,

So I now realize you can't boot from a USB 2.0 drive. I don't have a firewire enclosure, or any firewire external disk, but I plan to buy one soon (maybe tomorrow)...possibly something cheap, like a 750GB from Best Buy.

My Mac Pro is a 2006-model 3.0GHz Quad -- I bought it in March off the Apple Store Online refurbished. It only came with Leopard 10.5.1 disks, and came with Leopard installed.

My iMac, on the otherhand, is a 2.0GHz aluminum...with the 128MB ATI 2400 card. It's unconfirmed yet if the system discs will work for our Mac Pro Tiger install, but we'll try and see. They are 10.4.10 discs, and I've tried to use them in the Mac Pro (being a 2006 even) and they won't work. They'll only install on an aluminum iMac.

Also, (duh) I figured out why my boxed Tiger 10.4 won't work. It's the original Tiger release and it's way pre-intel. It was released when the fastest Macs around were G4s and G5s. The disc has no intel Mac OS X installer on it, only for PPC macs. No wonder it doesn't work!! (dumb face insert)

I don't have time to up the images of the 10.4.10 discs now, but I may later...I have dedicated webspace, but they are HUGE. 10GB required for install. I also need to confirm if these discs will produce the desired system disk image. Will do later, maybe tomorrow.

That's all for now.
-Ward
 
I don't have time to up the images of the 10.4.10 discs now, but I may later...I have dedicated webspace, but they are HUGE. 10GB required for install. I also need to confirm if these discs will produce the desired system disk image. Will do later, maybe tomorrow.

Sounds awesome! By the way, you don't need to upload the second install disc, since it's just the installer disc for iLife '08. The first disc is the important disc, which has Tiger. :D Just saving you some trouble if you actually put it up!

I don't know how big the file will be once you compress the disc image into a dmg. Probably 3/4 the size of the original DVD? :confused: Ahh, just let us all know if you could put this image up for download! Maybe we can all do some kind of donation/trade of some sort.
 
A few notes...stuff I was thinking about (on my issue)

I am attempting a Tiger install on a 2006 Woodcrest Mac Pro (not a 2008 Harpertown) -- BUT the machine shipped to me ONLY with Leopard disks. What I am guessing is, that I could easily grab a copy of some 10.4.6 or 10.4.7 Mac Pro Tiger discs via eBay and do this install that way. It should support Tiger, afterall, since it's a 2006 model.

The other concern I have is my video card, it's an ATI x1900 Mac card...not a XT 2600 Radeon. The Tiger discs (which I have...the ones for the alum iMac, 10.4.10) might not have the correct drivers for the Mac Pro x1900 card. Does anybody know if the iMac discs have basically a collection of current video card drivers, ir just the ones for the iMac (2400/2600 XT)

Thanks,
Ward
 
This is how I did it.

I made an IMAGE file of my hard drive from my alluminum tiger 10.4.11 using the disk utility in tiger.
I puy the image file on my external hard drive.
I put a brand new hard drive into my MAC pro 08 (running Lep. os)
using the disk utility in LEP.
I copied the image file t ohe new hard drive
I restord the image file to the new hard drive from the disk utility
I then rebooted holding down the option key.
I was then presented with 2 hardrives one was LEP (thats what I named it)
and the other was named Tiger.
I picked the tiger one and it booed to my old MAC pro that was running tiger.

I read in the "the missing manual" by Davud Pogue on how to make a image file of a existing hard drive (my tiger system) that is how I made the Image file.

I will be glad to email that Image file to you. You'll have to forgive my level of experience with Mac this is my first one.

I hope this helps.
Good luck

I had no problem getting my Mac Pro 08 to run Tiger 10.4.11 and Lep. and with boot camp I managed to get my win XP Pro to run on yet another hard
drive.
I needed the tiger to run pro tolls le 7.4
and win xp to run my Catia v5 engineering software.

Any way I hope this helps I'll be glad to help any of you also. But remember I'm very new to MAc so you'll have to use basic mac terminology with me.
 
I made an IMAGE file of my hard drive from my alluminum tiger 10.4.11 using the disk utility in tiger.

I will be glad to email that Image file to you. You'll have to forgive my level of experience with Mac this is my first one.

hi ismael!


thx for your offer, very very veryyyy appreciated :)
gmail now has over 6gb of storage but for emailing this image is too large i would think.

is it possible that you upload the file to piratebay (brokenstone is a good place too, but not public!) cause torrent is best method to share such large files.
another alternative is a file hoster like mygmgame which has unlimited upload and storage (just use the quick the quick upload at the end of the site): http://mygmgame.com/
if someone has downloaded it there it would be really the best idea to upload and share it via piratebay, cause there are hundreds of macpro users out there, who really needs this image for protools, waves etc...

thx in advance and best regards
 
Tiger Dmg File

I will be more than happy to upload to
http://mygmgame.com/

The file is 18.31 GB on disk. Can I upload a file of this size to the site?

If I can I will
Please respect any personal information and licensed software I may have
on that drive. I'm sure that my fellow pro tools and mac people will do so.

Is there directions on the site to get this done?
If not, one of you guru's will have to walk me through it.

To KpIglo
you probably have my email now from reading my post. I only left in my post for a while. I'm sure you understand why I edited my post and removed it.

Anyway you can write the directions there if need be. We can exchange phone numbers and you can walk me through it.

Is there a cost involved in uploading this file I don't mind if it's less than say $20.00 anything more that I would expect that some of you will chip in to cover the rest. I think that's fair :)

OK Men, Women lets do this!!
PS I'm so F$%&$%G angry at DIGIDESIGN for not taking care of us LE pro tools users also. That's why I am not buying the c24 controler now. Looks like Allen & Heath will be getting my business.
YEAH BABY!!!!
 
I will be more than happy to upload to
http://mygmgame.com/

The file is 18.31 GB on disk. Can I upload a file of this size to the site?

Is there directions on the site to get this done?
If not, one of you guru's will have to walk me through it.

hi again!

first, thx for your effort!!!

second: why is the image 18gb big? is it your system with all installed apps?
is it possible that you make a clean install of the system on your imac to an external hd and make an image of that? i think it shall be around 5-8gb without the printer drivers but all languages.....

i've checked the mygmgame site and the upload and storage size shall be unlimited (for now).
you only have to choose the file you wanna upload at the end of the site (quick upload), that's it.
 
Update: Just got a 500GB Firewire External HD....got a super deal from Office Depot, on clearance for $167.

Going to go home in a few and try out the install.

Keep you updated,
-Ward
 
A few notes...stuff I was thinking about (on my issue)

I am attempting a Tiger install on a 2006 Woodcrest Mac Pro (not a 2008 Harpertown) -- BUT the machine shipped to me ONLY with Leopard disks. What I am guessing is, that I could easily grab a copy of some 10.4.6 or 10.4.7 Mac Pro Tiger discs via eBay and do this install that way. It should support Tiger, afterall, since it's a 2006 model.

The other concern I have is my video card, it's an ATI x1900 Mac card...not a XT 2600 Radeon. The Tiger discs (which I have...the ones for the alum iMac, 10.4.10) might not have the correct drivers for the Mac Pro x1900 card. Does anybody know if the iMac discs have basically a collection of current video card drivers, ir just the ones for the iMac (2400/2600 XT)

Thanks,
Ward

I think the reason you can't use the Tiger install discs from you iMac is because it's made to only be installed on the Aluminum iMac, just as there are discs made to run on Mac Pros, Macbooks, etc.

Wanna trade discs? I actually have a Mac Pro Tiger install disc, so if you wanna trade me your Aluminum iMac Tiger disc, that would be fine by me! :D Then you don't have to waste any money buying it...Maybe if we put it up on a torrent tracker we could just share it along with others.
 
Tiger to Ward C

A few notes...stuff I was thinking about (on my issue)

I am attempting a Tiger install on a 2006 Woodcrest Mac Pro (not a 2008 Harpertown) -- BUT the machine shipped to me ONLY with Leopard disks. What I am guessing is, that I could easily grab a copy of some 10.4.6 or 10.4.7 Mac Pro Tiger discs via eBay and do this install that way. It should support Tiger, afterall, since it's a 2006 model.

The other concern I have is my video card, it's an ATI x1900 Mac card...not a XT 2600 Radeon. The Tiger discs (which I have...the ones for the alum iMac, 10.4.10) might not have the correct drivers for the Mac Pro x1900 card. Does anybody know if the iMac discs have basically a collection of current video card drivers, ir just the ones for the iMac (2400/2600 XT)

Thanks,
Ward
I think you should just call Apple and request the original Tiger Disk's that came with the Machine all they can do is say no and it is only a phone
call.

lechtmmg
 
just for the new forwarded readers of the stasi controlled apple forums:

we need an image of an alu imac (only the 2.4ghz & 2.8ghz version) running 10.4.11

best with all updates, languages but without the printer drivers

upload can be here with no upload and storage limitations: http://mygmgame.com/

another (better) solution via torrent should be the p-bay

so, if anyone can make such an image and upload it, you'll make many frustrated macpro users very happy :)
 
*Sigh* My attempts at installing Tiger on a 3.0GHz Quad (2006) with EFI and SMC updates have failed.

This took forever to do, and I could basically write 5 pages about it, but I will keep it brief.

I have a 750GB FireWire HD, I partitioned it into 2 equal halves. One half I used to backup my iMac Leopard drive with all the files, and the other half was saved as a Tiger mirror image partition.

I wiped the iMac drive and did a clean install of Tiger from it's 10.4.10 discs. I then ran the updates, did this 4 times and updated everything to current, 10.4.11 and all the latest updates.

I then mirrored this drive with the fresh Tiger 10.4.11 from the iMac (alum 2.0GHz) to the FireWire Tiger partition.

Then, I hooked the FireWire drive to a MacBook Pro and made a .dmg file from the Tiger mirror image drive partition of the FireWire drive. This image was just over 5.1GB in size.

I then burned the .dmg file (as a file) to a dual-layer DVD from the MacBook Pro. Then copied this file to the Mac Pro Leopard drive, and wiped my 250GB extra drive and mirror copied the Tiger .dmg image file to this drive. Startup Disk in Prefs recognized the 10.4.11 so I selected this to boot. Then rebooted.

Then I get this:

kernal.jpg


Then I hold the power button to turn off, and turn back on and try a few more times. Then I try holding the option key at startup and it doesn't give me an option of discs to boot. Tried holding the eject CD key and the drive wouldn't eject. I manually took out the DVD/CD drive and put a paperclip in, and inserted the Leopard DVD to try to get it to boot. Ended up having to remove the 250GB disk that was causing the kernal panic. Then it booted. Selected my original Leopard boot again to be boot disc...then shutdown. Re-inserted 250GB drive back in bay, booted OK now, back to Leopard disc.

Apparently it doesn't like my 10.4.11 I got on there.

Also, any help comprehending that panic would be helpful.
-Ward
 
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