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Last week, we reported that many custom iMac, iMac Pro, and MacBook Pro configurations are facing longer-than-usual delivery estimates on Apple's online store in the United States.

The reason for the delays is unconfirmed, but it could be related to the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak in China that has forced many of Apple's suppliers to temporarily close their factories and suspend production. While some factories are beginning to resume operations, initial production appears to be limited.

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In any case, the delay has extended to the new Mac Pro. In many European countries, for example, the base model without any customizations is currently estimated for delivery on March 10. While the new Mac Pro is assembled in the United States for orders placed in the Americas, European orders are assembled in China.

The new Mac Pro also has a February 24-26 delivery estimate in the United States, despite being assembled in Texas, possibly because some components are still sourced from temporarily-closed suppliers in China.

The coronavirus outbreak is a fluid situation, so it remains unclear what its impact might be on upcoming Apple products. Last month, analyst Ming-Chi Kuo outlined his expectations for several new Apple products in the first half of 2020, including refreshed MacBook Pro/Air models, refreshed iPad Pro models with a triple-lens rear camera system, Tile-like item tracking tags, high-end wireless headphones, a small wireless charging mat, and a new lower-cost 4.7-inch iPhone.

Article Link: New Mac Pro Facing Lengthy Delivery Estimates, Possibly Due to Coronavirus
 

Plutonius

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I was under the impression these were built in USA, or is it due to component shortages.

More like designed and assembled in USA, the rest all over the world but mainly China.

Even if built in the US, Apple still uses parts sourced from China.

Even if only one part is sourced from China, the Mac Pro can't be built if the factory that makes that one part is closed due to the virus.

It's easy to see when products from Apple are being delayed but I think that the virus is probably affecting all products that depend on China.
 
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Baymowe335

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I was under the impression these were built in USA, or is it due to component shortages.

More like designed and assembled in USA, the rest all over the world but mainly China.
Seriously, you guys have to get off this. Electronics are going to have components sourced from China. It's what they do. Not everything can or even should be made in the USA. You do what makes sense. It makes no sense to re-invent the wheel.
 
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Mdracer

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Seriously, you guys have to get off this. Electronics are going to have components sourced from China. It's what they do. Not everything can or even should be made in the USA. You do what makes sense. It makes no sense to re-invent the wheel.

Who wants to reinvent the wheel? I do know that as soon as the wheel was invented it was not then outsourced right away to china to be manufactured.

your quote should read ”You do what makes Cents...”
 
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lkrupp

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Who wants to reinvent the wheel? I do know that as soon as the wheel was invented it was not then outsourced right away to china to be manufactured.

your quote should read ”You do what makes Cents...”

Are you willing to pay double the current price for a Mac to be built with all American sourced parts? Hmmmm?
 
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Blackstick

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Who wants to reinvent the wheel? I do know that as soon as the wheel was invented it was not then outsourced right away to china to be manufactured.

your quote should read ”You do what makes Cents...”

I run a small business manufacturing scientific toys in China, we have the factory in China build the toys for $5-7 per unit (shipped by sea), and sell the toy for $29.95-$49.95 on Amazon. My brother and I inherited it from our late father. First thing we did was look into sourcing from a US factory. The most cost effective build was $14/unit (when you factor in US trucking instead of China shipping)... the Canada quote was at $11/unit... both the US and Canada factories would need to source certain parts from China because the subcomponent parts are simply not made/shipped here, either they never were or they no longer are.

Apple deals with this on a massive scale, but us little guys have the same problem... even if you want it "Made in America", don't be surprised when something inside the product isn't from here.
 
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Freeangel1

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just buy a new iMac with the i9 processor and the Vega 48 video card option and SAVE YOURSELF a TON of CASH with close performance

I just found out that my iMac can take 128GB of RAM. originally when I bought the machine I thought only 64GB. 128GB ram in a regular iMac not a iMac Pro is an awesome future proof machine
 
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Mdracer

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I run a small business manufacturing scientific toys in China, we have the factory in China build the toys for $5-7 per unit (shipped by sea), and sell the toy for $29.95-$49.95 on Amazon. My brother and I inherited it from our late father. First thing we did was look into sourcing from a US factory. The most cost effective build was $14/unit (when you factor in US trucking instead of China shipping)... the Canada quote was at $11/unit... both the US and Canada factories would need to source certain parts from China because the subcomponent parts are simply not made/shipped here, either they never were or they no longer are.

Apple deals with this on a massive scale, but us little guys have the same problem... even if you want it "Made in America", don't be surprised when something inside the product isn't from here.

I love how you insinuate that i am naive to the situation. I know full well as i did have a product that needed to be manufactured in China. The price of raw materials and circuit board components are hard to match anywhere else.

I have to say though, you do have some healthy points of margins on your products.
 
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bsbeamer

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As of yesterday: Mac Pro configs shipping to the USA are all listed at Feb 20 - Feb 24 (9-13 days) delivery date right now, with the exception of those identical configs with wheels, those are listed at Feb 27 - Mar 5. The wheeled configs are actually reducing in time from order to delivery.

As of today: Same standard Mac Pro configs shipping to USA are listed at Feb 24 - Feb 26, with the wheeled configs Feb 28 - Mar 6.

The impact for USA at the moment is not very significant.

Overall, do wonder if the W5700X delivery/delay is being impacted.
 
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Eorlas

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I was under the impression these were built in USA, or is it due to component shortages.

More like designed and assembled in USA, the rest all over the world but mainly China.

"possibly because some components are still sourced from temporarily-closed suppliers in China."

speculate in the comments of an article that already speculated
 
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alfonsog

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It would take ~50 years to start making things (including components/chips) here again (like we used to) with slowly moving government policies and tariffs (the right way with real legislation not just trumps executive orders). It would take less than 5 years if say China sunk into the ocean or isolated themselves again or all die from this new plague.
 
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ChrisA

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Are you willing to pay double the current price for a Mac to be built with all American sourced parts? Hmmmm?

Worse than paying a higher price is this: Are you willing to work in an Apple iPhone factory? Could Apple find 200,000 people willing to work at low pay repetitive job?

Actually, if the products were made in the US they would be designed differently so that they could be assembled by robots. The result would be slightly thicker and heavier products and higher capital costs for Apple. They would not need the 200,000 assembly line workers but rather 20,000 robots.
 
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jerryk

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LOL, not just electronics.

Those "all-American" Mustangs on the local Ford dealer's lot? Probably half of the components are sourced from foreign vendors. Hell, there's a good chance final assembly was in Mexico or Canada.

And that was ten years ago.

If any given device has a computer chip in it, it probably has a certain portion of components sourced outside the USA (starting with -- but certainly not limited to -- the computer chip itself).

How many microprocessors does the typical new car have? Thirty? Fifty? A hundred? More?


The new "Mustang" MachE EV SUV is being built in Mexico. Components come from around the globe.
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Who wants to reinvent the wheel? I do know that as soon as the wheel was invented it was not then outsourced right away to china to be manufactured.

But as soon as the wheel was invented and put on a cart, the bearers that used to carry goods to market on their backs were put out of work.

Technology and jobs change. Adapt or get the heck out of the way!
 
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cmaier

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Are you willing to work at Micky D wages all your life , because your job got outsourced or you were forced to train your H1b replacement ?

There are nearly a hundred million American adults who are not actually , really working . For some reason , they are not counted as unemployed because it has been so long since they last had a job .

I do not support Trump or any other politician , however :

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timwor...96-million-unemployed-americans/#535bcdf365ab

I used to run a small factory in Chicago . The politicians and the CEOs of big American firms sold us out and our industrial sector went into a steep decline . This started in 1965 and picked up steam with the passage of time .

The costs of this are felt in my own rust belt hometown where there are a lot of homeless people walking the streets even in 20 F weather and snow . There weren't that many while we had factory jobs here .

Putting **** together is not a great career path, and hasn’t been for awhile. Consumer ervices, engineering and science, professional services, etc. are much better bets.
 
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